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LKY:Top SGs migrate to US, Subprime SGs to Oz

shockshiok

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If there is any doubt to what your PAP master has said. Only the best go to the US - and they wont be back. The subprime singaporeans with little money, education (axe168, IWC2006, satan) head for australia - where they will come crawling back to singapore working for McDonalds in thier 60s.

Tsk Tsk.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_206290.html

Feb 14, 2008
MM LEE'S INTERVIEW WITH UPI
S'pore losing about 1,000 capable people every year
Main draw isn't China, but the US and other English- speaking countries


SINGAPORE is losing about 1,000 capable people every year and the numbers are growing, said Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, sounding the alarm on the severity of the brain drain.

And the main magnet for these talents is not regional powerhouse China, but the United States and other developed English-speaking countries, he told the United Press International (UPI) news agency in an interview earlier this month.

Citing figures of Singaporeans who gave up their citizenship and took out their savings and CPF funds, he said this meant 'losing about, at the top end, 1,000 a year, which is about - if you take the top 30 per cent of the population - about 4 or 5 per cent'.

Mr Lee believes this exodus can only grow because 'every year, there are more people going abroad for their first or second degree'.

Some of these Singaporean talents head for China, but return eventually because, at the end of the day, they do not want to compete with the Chinese, he said.

'You go to China, you're going to compete against 1,300 million very bright fellows, hardworking, starving.

'Do you stand a chance to be on top of that pole? No. But if you go there as a Singaporean with a different base, speaking English which they can't, with connections to the world, then you've got a different platform.'

In comparison, the pull of the US is difficult to reverse, he said, noting that American firms recruited bright Singaporean students straight out of universities there.

After acclimatising to life and work in the US, 'if they decide to take the green card and settle in America, then I think we've lost them', he said. Singaporeans who do not want the stiff competition in the US go to Australia and Canada.

The brain drain has been a regular issue addressed by Mr Lee. To stem this loss of talent, Singapore has wooed many top professionals from China and India here, he said.

The draw for the Chinese is that their children can learn both English and Chinese, while the Indians like Singapore because it is close to home, yet a step up in terms of First World infrastructure.

'The trouble is many of the Chinese then use us as a stepping stone to go to America, where the grass is greener.

'But even if we only keep 30 to 40 per cent and lose 60 to 70 per cent, we're a net gainer,' he said.

Mr Lee said, however, that the Chinese would cease to come in 20 to 30 years' time, when China's living standards rise to match Singapore's.
 

kiwibird7

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1. The message is already on the wall for the 'stayers'. Time is running out for Singapore, in 20 years or Singapore would become IRRELEVANT! That would be just about the time when the babies born this year would be finishing their NS and starting NUS, NTU etc to train for a non-existent career path or future in Singapore!

2. Singapore absorbs the the 3rd rate PR rejects that can't go to other countries and goes all out of their way to retain as many of these 3rd rate PR rejects to become SG citizens. What does that make local born S'porean 'STAYERS' then? 3rd class citizens?

3. I really doubt that ex S'porean PRs/citizens in Australia are going to crawl back to Singapore in 20 yrs time. One already sees Senior citizens in S'pore cleaning tables, picking cardboard boxes and washing public toilets (not seen in Australia/NZ) NOW! Things won't get any better for the old folks in S'pore in 20 yrs time.

Like NZ, I believe Australia has a comprehensive universal 'pension' scheme (safety net) for senior citizens much superior to S'pore's "Poverty line" payouts from the CPF minimum sum scheme.

4. What S'porean 'STAYERS' need to SERIOUSLY consider is; when no more China/Indian PRs are coming to S'pore in 20 yrs time and the birth rate of S'poreans is below replacement level.
(a) With population declining and fewer people coming, who is going to buy your resale HDB flat (drastic price crash is inevitable) when you are forced to downgrade?
(b) With a smaller tax base to collect from, how is the govt going to run essential services? It would simply be USER PAYS, in other words health costs would escalate ASTRONOMICALLY beyond Medisave/Medishield ceiling levels. Health Insurance companies would go bust when too many health claims are made.
 

IWC2006

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1. The message is already on the wall for the 'stayers'. Time is running out for Singapore, in 20 years or Singapore would become IRRELEVANT! That would be just about the time when the babies born this year would be finishing their NS and starting NUS, NTU etc to train for a non-existent career path or future in Singapore!

2. Singapore absorbs the the 3rd rate PR rejects that can't go to other countries and goes all out of their way to retain as many of these 3rd rate PR rejects to become SG citizens. What does that make local born S'porean 'STAYERS' then? 3rd class citizens?

3. I really doubt that ex S'porean PRs/citizens in Australia are going to crawl back to Singapore in 20 yrs time. One already sees Senior citizens in S'pore cleaning tables, picking cardboard boxes and washing public toilets (not seen in Australia/NZ) NOW! Things won't get any better for the old folks in S'pore in 20 yrs time.

Like NZ, I believe Australia has a comprehensive universal 'pension' scheme (safety net) for senior citizens much superior to S'pore's "Poverty line" payouts from the CPF minimum sum scheme.

4. What S'porean 'STAYERS' need to SERIOUSLY consider is; when no more China/Indian PRs are coming to S'pore in 20 yrs time and the birth rate of S'poreans is below replacement level.
(a) With population declining and fewer people coming, who is going to buy your resale HDB flat (drastic price crash is inevitable) when you are forced to downgrade?
(b) With a smaller tax base to collect from, how is the govt going to run essential services? It would simply be USER PAYS, in other words health costs would escalate ASTRONOMICALLY beyond Medisave/Medishield ceiling levels. Health Insurance companies would go bust when too many health claims are made.

Well said, is laughable for LKY making such comments. Vast majority of migrants to Australian/NZ are professionals and highly skilled. Almost all have degrees. The choice to go to US vs Aus is a matter of personal preference and really those who qualified to apply to Aus as skilled visas would have qualified to US anyway. As for Canada, is too far and waiting time to get the PR visa takes years. Canada, like Australia, is also a welfare state and one still can make decent living and earning handsome income and have a good work-life balance.

unfortunately Shiokshock fails to make any impact after several months roaming in the forum, thousands still migrate everyday. LKY should fire such loser and save taxpayers money.
 

shockshiok

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The choice to go to US vs Aus is a matter of personal preference and really those who qualified to apply to Aus as skilled visas would have qualified to US anyway. QUOTE]


Errr NO.

this poor subprime IWC is red faced and insulted LKY has referred to him as a "non competitive singaporean"

well, i dislike the old man but his information is correct, as all singaporeans know. its an offical statistic.

the best go to the US, and crap like IWC2006/axe168/satan who cant qualify for the US have settled for a bad country like australia, where the country will suck them dry. no wonder everyone is headed to the US

look at the behavior of these terriible subprime singaporeans
 

Leegimeremover

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Frankly speaking, many have migrated as it is part of a coerced exile policy of intellectuals by LKY. He only likes unsophisticated Singaporeans. But that plan is backfiring in his party and the population. Getting in more foreigners further backfires more. Singapore must seriously build its domestic economy. But when you have shit like Capital TAX Capitaland, no hope.
 

kansas

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Mr Lee said, however, that the Chinese would cease to come in 20 to 30 years' time, when China's living standards rise to match Singapore's.

More likely Singapore will have no more land/space by that time :biggrin:
 

Sammael

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If there is any doubt to what your PAP master has said. Only the best go to the US - and they wont be back. The subprime singaporeans with little money, education (axe168, IWC2006, satan) head for australia - where they will come crawling back to singapore working for McDonalds in thier 60s.

Tsk Tsk.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_206290.html

Feb 14, 2008
MM LEE'S INTERVIEW WITH UPI
S'pore losing about 1,000 capable people every year
Main draw isn't China, but the US and other English- speaking countries


SINGAPORE is losing about 1,000 capable people every year and the numbers are growing, said Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, sounding the alarm on the severity of the brain drain.

And the main magnet for these talents is not regional powerhouse China, but the United States and other developed English-speaking countries, he told the United Press International (UPI) news agency in an interview earlier this month.

Citing figures of Singaporeans who gave up their citizenship and took out their savings and CPF funds, he said this meant 'losing about, at the top end, 1,000 a year, which is about - if you take the top 30 per cent of the population - about 4 or 5 per cent'.

Mr Lee believes this exodus can only grow because 'every year, there are more people going abroad for their first or second degree'.

Some of these Singaporean talents head for China, but return eventually because, at the end of the day, they do not want to compete with the Chinese, he said.

'You go to China, you're going to compete against 1,300 million very bright fellows, hardworking, starving.

'Do you stand a chance to be on top of that pole? No. But if you go there as a Singaporean with a different base, speaking English which they can't, with connections to the world, then you've got a different platform.'

In comparison, the pull of the US is difficult to reverse, he said, noting that American firms recruited bright Singaporean students straight out of universities there.

After acclimatising to life and work in the US, 'if they decide to take the green card and settle in America, then I think we've lost them', he said. Singaporeans who do not want the stiff competition in the US go to Australia and Canada.

The brain drain has been a regular issue addressed by Mr Lee. To stem this loss of talent, Singapore has wooed many top professionals from China and India here, he said.

The draw for the Chinese is that their children can learn both English and Chinese, while the Indians like Singapore because it is close to home, yet a step up in terms of First World infrastructure.

'The trouble is many of the Chinese then use us as a stepping stone to go to America, where the grass is greener.

'But even if we only keep 30 to 40 per cent and lose 60 to 70 per cent, we're a net gainer,' he said.

Mr Lee said, however, that the Chinese would cease to come in 20 to 30 years' time, when China's living standards rise to match Singapore's.

How much will our super prime PM earn if migrating to USA? Anyone hazarding a guess?
 

angry_one

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That is a very old quote. Obvious old fart wants to dismiss and mock those who have left his kingdom for far better places. And the easiest way is to label them and not consider all their complex reasons for choosing a particular new home.
 

IWC2006

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this poor subprime IWC is red faced and insulted LKY has referred to him as a "non competitive singaporean"

well, i dislike the old man but his information is correct, as all singaporeans know. its an offical statistic.

the best go to the US, and crap like IWC2006/axe168/satan who cant qualify for the US have settled for a bad country like australia, where the country will suck them dry. no wonder everyone is headed to the US

look at the behavior of these terriible subprime singaporeans

Haha, who cares what the old man label us? We are having a good life aren't we? Unlike you, have nowhere to go. kekeke...
 

IWC2006

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I think George W Bushy earns between only US$200-US$250k a year, this will be the benchmark for old fart, but for someone so old and slow, got to get a pay slash at least 50%
 

Satan

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After acclimatising to life and work in the US, 'if they decide to take the green card and settle in America, then I think we've lost them', he said. Singaporeans who do not want the stiff competition in the US go to Australia and Canada. .


He further went on to say that on the other hand, losers like redbullshit aka shockshit aka busybody 123 who can't migrate will stay and rot in Singapore like the loser cockroaches they are while going on wasting their loser low down lives dreaming and whining day in and out.
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

redbull313

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How much will our super prime PM earn if migrating to USA? Anyone hazarding a guess?

Over here in America you wont find politicans earning excessive salaries the way Singapore does it. The people will never allow it. But if a politician should have investments and other interests its allowed, but full disclosure is necessary. All congressional members and members of the executive branch including the President and Vice Pres 1040s are a public record.

Cheney makes ALOT more than Bush for example.

But you gotta hand it to the old man, he knows his stuff. If you wanna make it in life you come here or you go and die a financial death in ripp-off Australia.
 

busy123

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Over here in America you wont find politicans earning excessive salaries the way Singapore does it. The people will never allow it. But if a politician should have investments and other interests its allowed, but full disclosure is necessary. All congressional members and members of the executive branch including the President and Vice Pres 1040s are a public record.

Cheney makes ALOT more than Bush for example.

But you gotta hand it to the old man, he knows his stuff. If you wanna make it in life you come here or you go and die a financial death in ripp-off Australia.

Ozzieland is Huatland lor.
 

busy123

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Aiyoh. Of course US is better for migrate but how to go there? So hard. Only place easy is Oz but no one going there anymore.
 

axe168

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The subprime singaporeans with little money, education (axe168, IWC2006, satan) head for australia - where they will come crawling back to singapore working for McDonalds in thier 60s.

Tsk Tsk.

Thank you ...for being so concern about my welfare and career...

Thank you.. for working hard while i continue to be lazy... returning home at 6pm to have my dinner everyday.

Thank you.. for being slightly richer but unable to enjoy your fruitful period..

For thinking that I am suffering (need crawl back ~ hahaha) THANK YOU !!

By 2nd half 2009, my Pro-PAP wifey will give up her citizenship... our family is complete and enjoying... happily ever after :smile:
 
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