christain are fuckin dishonest ;)

[drifter]

Did Ron Wyatt discover the Ark of the Covenant?

Howcome Ron Wyatt claims that he is restricted from showing the lab report for the blood when the the Isreali Goverment has no problem of him telling thousands of people about it? It seems that The Isreali Goverment is not interested in Ron Wyatt`s claims but according to Ron Wyatt they have restricted him from showing the lab report for the blood. If The Isreali Goverment is not even the slightest interested in Ron Wyatt`s claims, It would seem that they would not restrict him from showing the lab report for the blood. In Jonathan Gray`s book, "Ark of the Covenant", He wrote that, "The dried samples were soaked in a saline solution for three days. Using an electron microscope, it was possible to find the chromosomal content of the blood." Jonathan, in his book, fails to mention steps that are important. Howcome? Also, Chromosomes are invisible, but without completing all of the steps, the chromosomes will not be highlighted. It is impossible to count chromosomes with an electron microscope, however it is possible to count chromosomes after following all the steps with a light microscope. On Page 484, in Jonathan Gray`s book, "Ark of the Covenant", He wrote that, "The blood analysis from the Ark chamber showed a total of only 24 chromosomes. Of these, 23 were derived from the mother. And there was one "Y" chromosome. This indicated that the blood belongs to a male." Normally a human has only 46 chromosomes. 23 chromosomes fom each parent. The mother will always give a "X" chromosome. If the father gives a "X" chromosome, it will produce a female. But if the father gives a "Y" chromosome, it will produce a male. It is possible for a person to have an extra chromosome or be lacking a chromosome, however, they will then be abnormal. "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh." Romans 1:3 "For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren." Hebrews 2:11 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil." Hebrews 2:14 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." Hebrews 2:16 "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people." Hebrews 2:17 "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh." Romans 1:3 "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh." Romans 8:3 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men." Philipians 2:7 One Auther wrote that, "If he did not have man`s nature, He could not be our example" And also wrote that, "Christ did not make believe take human nature; He did verily take it. He did in reality possess human nature." Was Jesus abnormal? These verses are saying that he came down just as we are. If Jesus had only 24 chromosomes He could not have been the way he was and have been our example. How could he have had only 24 chromosomes and be perfectly normal physically, and mentally and have been our example? In Jonathan Gray`s book, "Ark of the covenant", on page 479, He writes that, "Before leaving the site for good, Ron took samples of the blood that had come down through the crack in the chamber ceiling. Within the crack itself, there was evidence that copiuos amounts of blood had poured down. Some blood was splattered on top of the split-open lid of the stone case enclosing the Ark. And blood had also sprinkled down onto the Mercy Seat." "And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be." Exodus 25:20 How could the blood drop onto the Mercy Seat if the Bible clearly states the the Cherubim wings covered the Ark of the Covenant? Ron Wyatt claims that six men were sent by the Isreali goverment to remove the Ark and place it in a more permanent location. These men went into the chamber and they all suddenly died of a stroke. The Garden Tomb Association has stated that nobody died and that no remains were found on their property. Ron claimed that he went into the chamber, he saw a black streak and said that it was blood. Not even experts can just look at a black streak and claim it is blood. Ron claimed that he took this "blood" and looked at it using an electron microscope and counted the chromosomes. It is IMPOSSIBLE to count chromosomes using an electron microscope! It takes several days to count chromosomes, and it is a much more complicated process than Ron leads one to believe. Wyatt gave a couple (they were interviewed by Gary Amirault) "who lost approximately 30,00 thousand dollars to Ron Wyatt, went to Israel with him, supposedly to see some of these sights and record them on film. An assignment editor of a major television station in Nasheville went with them. Not only did this individual not see any of these incredible discoveries, but his wife was told by one of Ron Wyatt's sons that the chariot wheels that Ron supposedly discovered in the Gulf of Aqaba were planted there by Ron. Mr. Wyatt gave this couple some coins which he supposedly found at the Ark of the Covenant site. a coin which he supposedly found at the Ark of the Covenant site. One of Wyatt's sons informed the wife that Ron Wyatt bought those coins". Go to A Great Christian Scam written by Gary Amirault To view the entire article. There are dozens of excuses made by Ron himself and his loyal supporters for why things cannot be revealed.

 

[drifter]

another website for you to checkout this conman in fact if you google " ron wyatt scam" ...theres tons of news on him

http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html

 

[drifter]

where is the report from the blood sample analysis of what Ron claims is the blood of jesus christ? where is the Ark of the Covenant? which museum is housing the ancient chariot wheels he claimed to have been from the Red Sea Crossing? there is no evidence because the video is a fraud.

 

[drifter]

http://chriswillard.multiply.com/li..._WAR_W.A.R?&show_interstitial=1&u=/links/item

 

[drifter]

http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html

Have the “Arks” been found by a modern day Indiana Jones… along with every other archaeological site of interest to Christians? Or are the assertions untrue?



This article addresses a myriad of claimed archaeological discoveries by one Ron Wyatt. (Even though he is now deceased, his museum director and a few others continue to promote Wyatt's allegations, therefore they merit investigation.) The museum displays, books, videos, and presentations are extremely convincing. It would seem that every assertion made by his organization is backed up by rock-solid, indisputable evidence. His videos show well known people supporting his views. He seemed to be one of the most humble, loving, honest and sincerely Christian men you could meet. He had an appealing personality and demeanor that others found very believable.



However, be aware that those outside of the Wyatt camp have not been able to verify his data. Whenever trained archaeologists, scientists or other experts asked to examine the evidence, there were always reasons why he couldn't produce it. This is not simply a matter of disagreement with his views. Nor is it an attempt to falsely discredit an honest researcher. Many of these experts are people of integrity and genuine Christian faith who did not set out to try to discredit anyone. Some are well known and respected in their fields. Much of Wyatt's research has been shown to be based only on circumstantial evidence at the best, to being outright fraudulent at the worst. If they can't see the evidence, perhaps we need to take a closer look. If Wyatt has defrauded or misled people in any way, then his claims – and those who still promote them – should be exposed. It is a discredit to the name of Christ if those who call themselves Christians continue to promote fraud (even if they have been doing it unknowingly). A clear understanding of all of the facts is essential.



Because I teach on the subject of Noah's Ark, I became aware of Wyatt's claim to have found the true ark a few years ago. In the foothills of the Tenderek Mountains, about 15 miles from the twin peaks of Mount Ararat in Eastern Turkey, lies a “boat-shaped” formation. It has a teardrop or almond-like shape and is called the Durupinar site, after the man who discovered it in 1959.



But the alleged Noah's Ark discovery is only the tip of the iceberg.



Not only did Mr. Wyatt assert that he had found it AND the Ark of the Covenant, he boldly proclaimed (on tape) that he had found every archaeological site of interest to Christians. And on a Nashville television program, he even stated that he had held the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments, and that they were fastened together with golden hinges! Some would ask – is Ron Wyatt the greatest archaeologist that has ever lived? As one of his promoters writes:



“Except God be with him, how can one man working part time on his vacations discover so many amazing items, when large well funded organizations, comparatively, find so little?”



But this statement alone should raise some red flags. One man – working part time – on his vacations?? Who is he? Examine the evidence here and on the linked pages, and see where the conclusion leads.



First, a partial list of Ron Wyatt's claimed discoveries and accomplishments:



Noah's Ark (the Durupinar site, for which he has been the prime promoter)
Stone sea anchors believed to be used by Noah to steer the vessel into the wind
Petrified timbers from the Ark that were used as memorials in an Armenian graveyard
Noah's sacrifice area at the site
A large stone carving near the Ark picturing 8 people coming out of the side, with a rainbow above the boat, and inscriptions in Summerian, Hurrian, and Urartian identifying this formation as the Ark of Noah
Trainloads of petrified pre-flood wood that had no tree rings on the site
Corroded metal fittings, found in rows, delineating the "ribs of the ship," as indicated by metal detectors and especially a "molecular frequency generator"
A house that Noah built
Stones on this house containing inscriptions that recorded details about the Deluge
A pictograph of eight people leaving a large wave of water with a boat perched above it
Noah's grave
Mrs. Noah's grave (containing a fortune-her gold and jewelry)
The Ark of the Covenant (under the exact spot where Jesus was crucified)
The Menorah (a seven-branched candelabra), the Table of Shewbread, and the Golden Altar of Incense from the ancient Temple
Christ's blood, scraped off of the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant
DNA analysis of the blood indicates that Christ was born of a virgin
The true site of Christ's crucifixion and the stone socket in which the cross was placed
Verified the tomb of Christ was the actual tomb
Claimed Jesus' tomb was sealed with a Roman iron spike, still visible
Moses' stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments, held together with golden hinges
Solved the problem of the construction of the pyramids
Also the problems in Egyptian chronology
Discovered the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
Discovered sulfur balls from the same
The true site of the Israelites' Red Sea crossing
A stone monument near the site erected by Solomon, inscribed with the ancient Hebrew script
Horse and human skeletons from Pharaoh's drowned army
Gold covered chariot wheels and chariot parts
The true Mount Sinai
The 12 altars built by Moses in Exodus 24
The actual rock Moses struck to release water at Kadesh
The site of Korah's earthquake where the ground swallowed up Korah and his followers
Knows how the Shroud of Turin was forged
Has cracked the code of the Copper Scroll
Claimed (on tape) that he can read any ancient inscription
Discovered the pillars of Solomon
The tomb of the Patriarchs, the cave of Machpelah
Moses was known in Egyptian history as Thutmosa III
Joseph was the builder of the first pyramid
Storage bins Joseph used during the drought in Egypt
Bones of giant pre-flood people
Ancient Canaanite burial pots at Ashkelon


Wow! One man – working part time – on his vacations!! How is this possible?





The Great Treasure Hunt Inside Israel


Let's go on an excavation of our own and see what we can uncover. Our journey starts with a chapter from In Search of Temple Treasures, subtitled The Lost Ark and the Last Days1, by a leading authority on the topic, Dr. Randall Price2. Reprinted with author's permission. (The footnotes below are from the original, and are reprinted at the end of the chapter.)



The “Discovery” at Mount Calvary


American Ron Wyatt, in his self-published book Discovered-Noah's Ark, claims that on January 6, 1982, at 2:00 P.M. he discovered the Ark of the Covenant under the escarpment of Mount Calvary, which he believes to be what is known as “Jeremiah's Grotto.” He states:



I broke into a chamber beneath the Calvary escarpment, north of the city wall of Jerusalem. In that chamber is the Ark of the Covenant, the Table of Showbread—that I didn't see—they were covered with animal skins, with boards, and then stone.19



This most novel of sites has been proposed as the hiding place because Wyatt believes it fits the concept of Jesus as the High Priest offering the final blood atonement. To accomplish this, Watt figured, would require the Ark. So Wyatt speculated that when Jesus was crucified on the top of this hill, His blood must have run through a socket hole in which the cross was set, dripped down through a crack in the mountain (caused by the earthquake recorded in Matthew 27:51), and finally landed on the mercy seat of the Ark, which was positioned in a subterranean chamber some 60 feet beneath the mountain.

Wyatt sells a videotape of his various adventures. One segment shows him standing within a cavern inside Gordon's Calvary at a box-shaped rock within which he claims he discovered the Ark! On this video, narrated by Wyatt's wife, Mary, the claim is made:



In January of 1982, after steadily digging in a cave system since 1979, he busted through the rock into a chamber which contained a gold table and several other artifacts which Ron believed to be from the First Temple. Then, further back, he saw the top of a stone case which appeared to be the correct size to contain the Ark of the Covenant. Overwhelmed with emotion and double pneumonia, Ron passed out in that chamber for 45 minutes. He knew what was in that case, but now what? He attempted to photograph it with a Polaroid camera, a 35mm camera, and video. In every case, the photos were a white-out. He returned home to recover and work until he could afford to return. In May, he borrowed a colonoscope and went back. Drilling a small hole through the case, he was able to see enough to positively identify the contents of the stone case—it was the Ark!20



In his July 1993 newsletter, Wyatt published drawings of an unconventional-looking Ark, based on his supposed personal examination of the Ark using a colonscope.21

Because Wyatt has gone public with his “discovery” in churches and seminars throughout the United States and abroad, his claim must be subjected to scrutiny.



Evaluating the Claim


I wrote to Wyatt with the hope of obtaining a statement that I could include in this report of his work, but Wyatt never answered my letter. As a result, my evaluation of his claim does not have the benefit of interaction and discussion. His claim alone, however, provides much to doubt.

My main objection is this: Why would such a holy object as the Ark be purposely put under such a place of defilement as an execution site? It might be argued that this location was not an execution site at the end of the monarchial period when the Ark was hidden. But ultimately we are forced to admit that God would allow such an act of desecration since He, in His omniscience, knew that it would become such a place. Theology aside, we have to remember that the Garden Tomb (which is a part of Mount Calvary) dates to the First Temple era, so the site itself was already a burial grounds before the Ark would have been put into hiding. Because the Ark was hidden specifically to preserve it from defilement, the Garden Tomb would have been disqualified as a potential hiding place.



Credibility Problems


Bill Crouse, founder of Christian Information Ministries International, has carefully researched Wyatt's credentials and claims. Perhaps his evaluation best summarizes the controversy surrounding Wyatt:



Evidence generally stands or falls on its own merits. Rarely is there a need to delve into the nature and character of the one making a claim. A careful evaluation of the facts is usually sufficient. Unless, of course, the one making the claim calls attention to himself in such a way that makes us openly skeptical. Would you…not question someone who not only claims to have found Noah's Ark, but also every archaeological site of interest to Christians?22



Some of the sites Wyatt claims to have discovered are the true Mount Sinai, the spot where the ground swallowed up Korah and his followers, the exact location where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, the site of the crucifixion, and the tomb of Christ. His claims to archaeological discoveries include Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh under the Red Sea, the 12 altars built by Moses, and Abraham's family tomb in Hebron (not under the 2,000-year-old shrine!). In addition, he claims to have solved the mystery behind the construction of the Egyptian pyramids, cracked the code of the Copper Scroll, and discovered how the Shroud of Turin was forged. In light of these fantastic assertions, Crouse concludes, “Is Ron Wyatt the greatest archaeologist who ever lived? Or is there another explanation?”23

Part of the answer may be found in Wyatt's dubious credentials. His professional training is as a nurse anesthetist, not as an archaeologist. While this does not disqualify him from finding an archaeological sit or artifact, it does raise questions as to how he could have solved historical and scientific problems and made discoveries that have baffled the greatest professional archaeologists of all time!

But there is another more disconcerting report that casts suspicion on Wyatt's credibility. Wyatt hired Jeff Roberts and Associates, a public relations firm in Hendersonville, Tennessee, to arrange his speaking engagements. This firm produced for Wyatt a packet of materials that stated he was a Korean War veteran, that he had graduated from the University of Michigan with honors in pre-med, and that he had completed all the requirements for both M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in antiquities. When others investigated these credentials, they found none of these statements to be accurate. There is no record that Wyatt served in Korea and no evidence that he worked toward any degree at the time these materials were printed, although he did attend Western Michigan University for several years.



A Damaging Report


Further doubt as to Wyatt's credibility was supplied by Dr. Jim Fleming, founder and former director of the Jerusalem Center for Biblical Studies (located at Tantur) and an editorial advisor to Biblical Archaeology Review. He told me in the summer of 1993 that he had originally been asked by Wyatt to be his archaeological advisor during his excavations at Mount Calvary. Because Dr. Dan Bahat, a Jerusalem archaeologist and lecturer at Hebrew University, had agreed to sponsor the dig, Fleming tentatively agreed. After spending time with Wyatt at the site, however, Fleming became alarmed at both his claims and techniques. In one instance, Fleming saw Wyatt drop a hammer down into a large crack in the mountain. Later, Wyatt offered as proof that he had discovered the Ark a metal-detector reading that indicated a metal object within the rock. Fleming says he left after this incident. Others have given similar disturbing reports concerning Wyatt's conduct at the site. One such observer, the Reverend John Woods, noted, “I saw him explaining to a group that a piece of metal embedded in the face of the Garden Tomb was part of the seal Pilate had placed upon the tomb. In fact it was a piece of shrapnel from the war [in 1967].”24

Wyatt does tell amazing stories and apparently receives generous support from uninformed churches where he speaks. What he and other explorers like him have not done is discover the Ark!



* Notes on Chapter 9—The Great Treasure Hunt Inside Israel

19. Video report of Wyatt Archaeological Research Organization, privately circulated.

20. Ibid.

21. “Discovered,” newsletter of Wyatt Archaeological Research Organization, July 1993, p. 2.

22. Bill Crouse, “Ron Wyatt: Are His Claims Bonafide?” Ararat Report 17 (May-June 1988): 8.

23. Ibid.

24. Letter to Gordon Franz from Reverend John Woods, Executive Director, The Gospel Mission of Washington, D.C., February 4, 1994.





Holy Relics or Revelation Review


A new book out sheds some more light. In World of the Bible Book Reviews, Randall Price reviews Holy Relics or Revelation: Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated3.



“One of the questions frequently asked our ministry concerns the archaeological allegations of the late Ron Wyatt, now perpetuated by the Wyatt Archaeological Foundation, the Prophecy Club, and messianic speaker Michael Rood. At last there is a book written by two researchers in critique of all of Wyatt's alleged discoveries including for example Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Egyptian chariot wheels in the Red Sea, Sodom & Gomorrah, the Pillars of Solomon, and Abraham's tomb.



The authors, like Wyatt, are Seventh-Day Adventists. Their criticisms therefore, are not as much with his theology but with Wyatt's supposed archaeological research. Of particular interest is their exposure of inconsistencies in the varied accounts given by Wyatt concerning his discoveries and a collection of excuses by Wyatt for such inconsistencies and for his promised evidence not being forthcoming. This book is recommended to any who have wanted a thorough evaluation of Wyatt and his claims3.”





The Sites


Further digging reveals some surprising findings. There is an incredible amount of scientific data and archaeological evidence which contradicts these amazing discoveries. Explore the websites listed below for factual information about the claims and Mr. Wyatt himself.



1) http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1154.asp

Amazing Ark Expose: Could This be Noah's Ark? Excellent well-researched article.

Also see “Comments Concerning Alleged Rebuttal” to this article at the same address.



2) http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/

Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation. The intro page and “A Great Christian Scam” are well worth reading.

Links to other enlightening articles are at the bottom of that page. Also a book review of Holy Relics3.



3) http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v21n2_ark.asp

Has the Ark of the Covenant Been Found?



4) http://www2.andrews.edu/~merling/

Excellent research by David Merling, archaeologist, Andrews University



5) http://www.fni.com/cim/reports/wyatt.txt

RON WYATT: ARE HIS CLAIMS BONAFIDE? by Bill Crouse



6)



7) http://www.noahsarksearch.com/durupinar.htm

Describes the site, lists pros and cons, has photos and links



8) http://christiananswers.net/abr/scoop.html#Sinai1

Is Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia? Bible and Spade, Associates for Biblical Research









Footnotes


1Randall Price, In Search of Temple Treasures, The Lost Ark and the Last Days, Chapter 9 – The Great Treasure Hunt Inside Israel, pages 152-156; and Notes page 367. Harvest House Publishers, copyright 1994. Out of print. Used with author's permission.



2 Dr. Randall Price is president of World of the Bible Ministries, Inc., a nonprofit educational equipping organization providing a clearer understanding of the Bible and biblical issues through information on the ancient and modern Middle East; Bible prophecy; and historical, cultural, and archaeological studies. He holds a master's degree in Old Testament and Semitic Languages from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a Ph.D. in Hebrew Literature and Middle Eastern Languages, Literatures, and Cultures from the University of Texas at Austin, where he also taught courses in biblical archaeology and the history and culture of modern Israel. He has done graduate studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has conducted archaeological excavations in Jerusalem and the region of Galilee, and is a certified tour guide to the State of Israel. He has authored several books and has appeared nationwide on the CBS television specials Ancient Secrets of the Bible, and was the focus of a series about the Temple and its treasures on the nationally acclaimed Christian program The John Ankerberg Show.



3 Russell R. Standish & Colin D. Standish, Holy Relics or Revelation: Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (Rapidan, Virginia: Hartland Publications, 1999). Order from: Hartland Publications, Box 1, Rapidan, VA 22733 (800) 774-3566.

 

[wrcboi]

Prof Driftie....keep it short and simple...precise and concise....too long they will just pick selective words and launch an attack....since they do not have any common sense and wouldnt think....short and simplified would do....

 

[drifter]

Prof Driftie....keep it short and simple...precise and concise....too long they will just pick selective words and launch an attack....since they do not have any common sense and wouldnt think....short and simplified would do....

roger that sir ... i used to keep it short ...but i wanted them to come in so i change my tactics abit ...seriously , without them to entertain us ..this folder will be dead . the purpose of me creating bait is to let them come in and show us how stupid they are when they try to defence their bible blindly so that we can laugh at them

 

[drifter]

im wondering why only one idiot come in here ? wheres the rest of his delusional gangs ? sibey sian ...if they never come in here this thread will be dead ...knn .

 

[johnsgp1]

this event is a miracle, if all of you dont know what miracle means, please check the dictionary...

 

[drifter]

this event is a miracle, if all of you dont know what miracle means, please check the dictionary...

i knew you are christain when you start that gay thread . and i was right .


a fact never went into partnership with a miracle. truth scorns the assistance of wonders. a fact will fit every other fact in the universe, and that is how you can tell whether it is or is not a fact. a lie will not fit anything except another lie . by the way , that event dont even take place and you still consider its a miracle ...as usual you are delusion like the rest of your cult members bird of the same feather flock together ...you should just stay inside church and dont come out ...if not one day sure end up in IMH


ps : the truth is rarely pure and never simple , by using one word of miracle its going to stop you from thinking .. well done idiot by the way miracle always happens in fairy tales and your syorybook is a good example whahahahahhaha.