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2nd Reply/Response from Tan Kin Lian

wikiphile

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Scroobal prefers to hid in the name of annonymity, in the dog house, and criticize Tan Kin Lian, whom was in the open and bravely facing those allegations. I shall leave it to those sensible and smart nezitens to judge who is most credible and who is most weakling.

I am confident Tan Kin Lian will be a good people's President. TT and TCB are worthy opponents.

If you really have nothing better else to do, go troll TOC

Our influence is not as widespread as you think, we only voiced our opinions like many others, if you really want to help TKL, do some positive damage control

http://www.facebook.com/#!/theonlinecitizen/posts/210640582313990
 
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Windsor

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Scroobal prefers to hid in the name of annonymity, in the dog house, and criticize Tan Kin Lian, whom was in the open and bravely facing those allegations. I shall leave it to those sensible and smart nezitens to judge who is most credible and who is most weakling.

I am confident Tan Kin Lian will be a good people's President. TT and TCB are worthy opponents.

Again I face palmed. Get it through your skull that the internet/news media is a Groupthink and not a single person. Please google and understand what Sammyboy Cafe and many similar forums is all about. When you want to engage in a discussion or enter a debate in Sammyboy, you are actually part of this Groupthink. So there is actually no Scoobal or Windsor or anyone you can identify, with some exceptions like GMS and a few others that put a face thus removing their anonymity.

We are a thriving community, anons with various cyber personalities, some with one nick, and others with more than one. Together we engage with each other, protected by our anonymity and with full confidence that our ID's are secured. The subjects of discussions. debates and tomfoolery are varied and can be fun, serious or just plain nonsensical. Over and above all, there is an atmosphere of camaraderie and a sense of being at home to relax and soak up the freedom, without being inhibited. That in a nutshell is the best I can explain off the top of my head.

So listen here, there is no way that you or anyone can expect our member Scroobal to ever have any inclination to engage with TKL by any other means except in this Forum. Being part of our Groupthink, losing Scoobal or those members who are valuable contributors to Sammyboy is akin to asking us to cut off part of our limbs, because that is what you are asking.

In conclusion, by asking Scroobal to debate directly with TKL is the same as asking Sammyboy Cafe to debate directly with TKL as we are all one entity. I sincerely hope you have finally realised and now fully understand this concept. I trust you will also convey this to TKL and those who may be ignorant of how the internet/news media actually works.
 
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kingrant

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No one is stopping you from starting a thread to sling m&d at TT and TCB if you have juicy bits to share. If the bits seem reasonably credit-worthy, I am sure forumers here would join in with their comments. The fact appears to be that TKL has more skeletons in his closet than the other two. I see no use for you to keep repeating yr frustrations here over these attacks on him, but I do see it will be useful for you and TKL if you can answer or respond to some of the questions or points posed, and to rebut them with clear logic and not appeal to sympathy, loyalty, complaints of unfairness or other. New media can be very brutal and your arguments have to stand up to scrutiny.

You got me wrong. I understand very well that you are not contesting for PE. However, the fact that you are here criticizing Tan Kin Lian continuously, it is worthwhile for us to sit back and to assess you too. The netizens could assess Tan Kin Lian anytime because his details (and among other information) were on the website. We need to see who you are to determine your trustworthiness in your arguments.
 
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Porfirio Rubirosa

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not exactly on all fours viz what u posted...but v insightful n somewhat creepy, scary n sad...

The Saga of Sister KikiBy DAVID BROOKS
Published: June 23, 2011
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In 1900, Theodore Dreiser wrote “Sister Carrie,” about a young woman who left the farm and got mauled by the crushing forces of industrial America: the loneliness of urban life, the squalid conditions of the factory, the easy allure of the theater, the materialism of the new consumer culture.

"The values of civilization -- restraint, moderation, tact, courtesy, decency, compassion -- ... get short shrift. Think of Lord of the Flies for the digital age. "
David Isenbergh, Washington, DC

If Dreiser were around today, he might write about Kiki Ostrenga. Kiki, who was the subject of a haunting profile by Sabrina Rubin Erdely in the April issue of Rolling Stone, was a young teenager who got mauled by the some of the worst forces of the information age.

Lonely at school, she took refuge by creating an online persona, Kiki Kannibal, posting photos of herself with various hairstyles and looks — goth one day; sexually charged, Lady Gaga-style temptress the next.

Though 13, Ostrenga was a phenomenally good shape-shifter. The photos often show her in her underwear or short skirts, with lurid make-up, edgy poses and pouty come-hither expressions. In them, you see the child’s ability to mimic the looks and attitudes of what she admires — in this case the cult of high-fashion celebrity as glamorized in Vogue or Cosmopolitan, on E!, TMZ, “Real World” and a thousand other outlets.

In sports, speed and strength are king. In music, talent and application are king. But online, eyeballs and page-views are king. Achievement is redefined as the ability to attract attention. And, with today’s technology, this sort of celebrity is not just a dream. Young people can create it for themselves.

Kiki must have sensed the tremendous erotic capital that a pretty, vulnerable, barely pubescent girl possesses on the Internet — even if she didn’t understand the consequences of her appeal. Sure enough, she became a MySpace sensation. Two million people are recorded to have logged on to her live stream video. Before long, there were 530 Facebook profiles from people claiming to be her (none of them were). She became an object of celebration, ridicule and hatred.

People talk about the online “community,” but it’s more accurate to see the response as a guerrilla war. Ostrenga made an aggressive bid for attention. Other people made a bid for attention by savaging her. Most of the viciousness hurled her way can’t be quoted here, but the article in Rolling Stone accurately described the mob-like behavior: death threats, savage sexual appraisals. “I know where you live, and I’m gonna kill” your cat, one person flamed. “Kiki go die you ugly [expletive],” another wrote.

Ostrenga inspired a wave of ridicule and defense, which spilled over into real life, including a punch to the head at a concert and the word “slut” painted in giant letters across her garage.

She was contacted by an 18-year-old man named Danny Cespedes, who charmed Kiki and her parents and became intertwined with their household. Unbeknownst to them, Danny had tried to seduce a string of young girls, some as young as 12. After her mother discovered that he had forced himself on Kiki one night, the Ostrengas pressed charges. As he was being arrested, he jumped off the second floor of a parking garage and ended up in a coma. He died two months later.

Next, she was victimized by the owner of a for-profit, teen-exploitation site called Stickydrama. The site’s owner both organized mass hate sessions against Kiki and invited her to live with him and become one of the site’s exhibitionist playthings. “If I can’t have you, I will destroy you,” he wrote in a Twitter message, according to Rolling Stone.

Addicted to the attention and now running an online jewelry business, Kiki couldn’t get offline, even while being painfully aware of the distinction between celebrity performance and the two-way loving relationships that she longed for. Her parents couldn’t seem to take the reins, even after they saw her online presence was not just a way of being creative.

In the end, they had to move to escape the threats. They were bankrupted in the process. Kiki lost any semblance of a normal adolescence.

She is an extreme case of an enormous uncontrolled experiment that is playing out across the world. Young people’s brains are developing while they are immersed in fast, multitasking technology. No one quite knows what effect this is having.

The culture of childhood is being compressed. Those things that young people once knew at 18, they now know at 10 or 12. No one quite knows the effect of that either.

Most important, some young people seem to be growing up without learning the distinction between respectability and attention. I doubt adults can really shelter young people from the things they will find online, but adults can provide the norms and values that will help them put that world in perspective, so it seems like trashy or amusing make-believe and not anything any decent person would want to be part of themselves.

Kiki’s story is not only about what can happen online, but what doesn’t happen off of it.


Again I face palmed. Get it through your skull that the internet/news media is a Groupthink and not a single person. Please google and understand what Sammyboy Cafe and many similar forums is all about.

In conclusion, by asking Scroobal to debate directly with TKL is the same as asking Sammyboy Cafe to debate directly with TKL as we are all one entity. I sincerely hope you have finally realised and now fully understand this concept. I trust you will also convey this to TKL and those who may be ignorant of how the internet/news media actually works.
 
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