Disadvantage of being a Singaporean Male

[sparklingwater]

National Service (NS)
Male Singapore citizens are liable for National Service at 16.5 years of age. They will be enlisted for two years of full-time National Service immediately upon reaching 18 years of age. They are also required to serve 40 days of Operationally Ready National Service every year until the age of 50 years (for officers) or 40 years (for non-officers).
guidemesingapore.com/relocation/citizenship/singapore-citizenship-benefits-and-drawbacks

 

[Leepotism]

Wednesday, February 5, 2014

Singapore. How to avoid national service



Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have been receiving numerous enquiries daily on how young Singaporean men can avoid national service. It is very easy.

The only way is to leave Singapore. Young men before they are enlisted into the army do not need exit permits if they are going on holiday for not more than 90 days. All you need is a passport and a return ticket.

Before you plan to leave enroll in a foreign school university or college, e.g. in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA etc. Once you have been accepted, simply leave the island to the country where you have obtained acceptance. Once there, simply ignore all enlistment notices that may be sent to you at your last known address.

If your parents are still in Singapore, simply tell them to ignore any notices from Singapore CMPB. They cannot do anything to your parents for your failure to return since they have not signed any bond, because any trip for less than 90 days does not require any permission to leave.

Once you are abroad and have failed to return, you have committed an offense under the Enlistment Act. But this means nothing as long as you remain abroad and never return to Singapore. They cannot extradite you and there is no way they can do anything to you as long as you remain out of Singapore.

While you are abroad, at some point of time, your Singapore passport may expire. This may cause some problems as any extension application for your student status may require proof of a valid travel document. I don't think you have to worry too much about this. If you cannot prove that you have a valid travel document, simply file an asylum claim. This filing will give you valid status for filing student status extensions.

But be warned that refusal to do national service is not a ground for an asylum claim. But it is a ground if you claim to be a 7th Day Adventist, Jehovah's Witness etc which proscribes the use of firearms on religious grounds, since you can raise a valid argument that forcing you to carry arms is an express violation of your religion. What strengthens your case is that unlike many Western countries which allow you to do community service instead of serving in the army, Singapore does not allow this option.

Several Singaporeans have obtained asylum because they were persecuted for being gay. This is an accepted ground for asylum claims from Singapore since it is well documented that the island persecutes gay people. This may be a ground for you but may be unacceptable for those who detest homosexuality or any association with it.

Otherwise marry an American, Canadian or Australian or women from wherever you are; and that will solve the problem.

Otherwise file a claim that you have been persecuted on political grounds because you were supporting the opposition etc.

But remember, simply raising criminal grounds such as fear of loan sharks and criminals is not a valid asylum claim.

One caveat on marriage cases. At least you have to try to make it real. In other words, if you are 20, don't claim to have fallen in love with a 85 year old woman; it is unlikely to be believed. Remember, once you get your residence, you can part ways.

From anecdotal evidence, the Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore is having a hard time getting anyone to serve in national service. First you have the huge growing problem of young men who go abroad and never return.

Second you have the unrelenting decline in birth rate, leaving the island bereft of young men. Third you have an aging population and there are hardly anyone of military age. Fourth you have increasing numbers of permanent residents who give up their residencies and leave with their entire families once the son becomes of national service age.

And lastly you have to contend with the likes of Gopalan Nair and Singapore Dissident who is determined to deplete the ranks of the Singapore army.

I have been told that the army barracks in Singapore is hardly receiving any occupants. Very soon they may be almost empty.

Good Luck to you in your life in the foreign country. Remember the world is wide. You only die once. Don't be afraid. By not doing it, you will only live to regret it for the rest of your life. If you do it, at least you have the chance of succeeding.

In my case, when I left with just $500.00 in my pocket and a one way ticket to Frankfurt, I told myself the worst thing that could ever happen to me was that I will die. After all we all die once. I not only didn't die, I did pretty well. I cannot deny that it was a wonderful adventure.

What man needs according to Nickos Kazantzakis in Zorba the Greek, is "a little bit of madness, because it will cut the rope and make you free". Zorba tells the Englishman not to put every question on a weighing machine, and looking at the pros and cons and being overly cautious. Life after all is a chance. You may or you may not succeed. But if you didn't try, you will never know. I would have been a far happier person having tried and failed completely ; rather than one who never tried.

If you are surprised why I can write this, remember, I am only able to write this because I am physically in California USA. Had I been within Singapore now, I would have been immediately arrested and tried for treason and jailed and the key thrown away. They only get you if they can.

Gopalan Nair
Attorney at Law
A Singaporean in Exile
Fremont, California USA
Tel: 510 491 8525
Email: [email protected]

 

[nomorelisa]

Females should serve NS but only for admin jobs.

 

[singveld]

that is not fair for people who already serve the NS.

 

[CheeByeKiaTonyChat]

This Golapan Neh is mental case. Teach people 'keng' like fuck to siam NS. Tell people don't be afraid to do this and that to siam NS.

Why cannot don't be afraid to serve it out? Just do it la. Limpei think SAF is one big cockup and wayang organisation. But limpei also make many lifelong friends in NS.

 

[ZorrorroZ]

People die during NS. Not even protecting the country during war. Just during fucking training. Most of us only have 1 son, or even that 1 son is the only child. If he dies or gets badly hurts, praying to god or lee kuan yew is not going to bring him back.

If the country was looking after you in the first place then there may be an argument for it. But now, your son is just risking his life for foreigners who take your jobs, and space in the country, crowds you out of public transport, and housing. Whilst MIW sons get to serve NS safely in air con labs, your sons get heart attacks running IPPT. You can argue that the sons being soft and weak is not the country's problem... but at the end of the day, if something happens to him, the country is not going to care either way. Why the fuck should you?

Get out whilst the going is good. One day, you may not be able to leave even if you wanted to. Gopalan Nair may be a nutjob, but in this issue I agree with him.

 

[CheeByeKiaTonyChat]

We can agree to disagree.

I think NS is a must unless we are able to have a professional army. But then definitely must pay fulltime NS boys more. Something like 2k per month. Not ask them to 'serve' the nation for some kachang puteh allowance. Even take public transport still must come out from their own pocket. What the fuck.

 

[tanakow]

Get the farking PR to serve first before you talk.about Singapore female.

Females should serve NS but only for admin jobs.

 

[ZorrorroZ]

We can agree to disagree.

I think NS is a must unless we are able to have a professional army. But then definitely must pay fulltime NS boys more. Something like 2k per month. Not ask them to 'serve' the nation for some kachang puteh allowance. Even take public transport still must come out from their own pocket. What the fuck.

yes... This I agree... you want the sons of singapore to risk their lives, then lets treat them better.

Trautman: The war, the whole conflict may have been wrong, but damn it, don't hate your country for it.
Rambo: Hate? I'd die for it.
Trautman: Then what is it you want?
Rambo: I want, what they want, and every other guy who came over here and spilled his guts and gave everything he had, wants! For our country to love us as much as we love it! That's what I want!

 

[nomorelisa]

Get the farking PR to serve first before you talk.about Singapore female.

You should know that male children of PR's are required to serve NS when they attained the age of 18.

 

[nomorelisa]

yes... This I agree... you want the sons of singapore to risk their lives, then lets treat them better.

Plus better insurance coverage and compensation in case of injury and death in service.

 

[jw5]

There's no reason why the farking PR and the Singapore female cannot start serving at the same time.

Get the farking PR to serve first before you talk.about Singapore female.

 

[laksaboy]

There's no reason why the farking PR and the Singapore female cannot start serving at the same time.

Serve as comfort women?

It'll be fantastic to be their instructor. Make them do defaulter's parade naked under the hot sun.

 

[CheeByeKiaTonyChat]

Females should serve NS but only for admin jobs.

Get the farking PR to serve first before you talk.about Singapore female.

Tanakow,

You seemed to be able to see this nomorelisa's moderated post way before the rest of us can see. I was wondering who are you talking to just now when you quoted the 'moderated' post which I cannot find it on this thread.

You leongsam clone or some secret moderator is it

 

[sparklingwater]

Conscription takes away two years of a citizen’s freedom in the name of “national interests”. It is also to be noted that Taiwan intends to end conscription by decreasing the number of conscripts by 10% each year from 2011, and replacing them with professional soldiers.
http://sonofadud.com/guest-spot/gordon-lee-on-national-service/

 

[jubilee1919]

This Golapan Neh is mental case. Teach people 'keng' like fuck to siam NS. Tell people don't be afraid to do this and that to siam NS.

Why cannot don't be afraid to serve it out? Just do it la. Limpei think SAF is one big cockup and wayang organisation. But limpei also make many lifelong friends in NS.

My face in this video.

 

[I_Hate_Pappies]

Tanakow,

You seemed to be able to see this nomorelisa's moderated post way before the rest of us can see. I was wondering who are you talking to just now when you quoted the 'moderated' post which I cannot find it on this thread.

You leongsam clone or some secret moderator is it

Power lah you! Must up!

 

[blindswordsman]

Wednesday, February 5, 2014




The only way is to leave Singapore. Young men before they are enlisted into the army do not need exit permits if they are going on holiday for not more than 90 days. All you need is a passport and a return ticket.

While you are abroad, at some point of time, your Singapore passport may expire. This may cause some problems as any extension application for your student status may require proof of a valid travel document. I don't think you have to worry too much about this. If you cannot prove that you have a valid travel document, simply file an asylum claim. This filing will give you valid status for filing student status extensions. [/FONT][/COLOR]

This guy is preaching to shake the foundation of this country. He is an ingrate. No matter where you go, remember SG is your homeland if you are born in this tiny island. You may have problems with PAP but SG does not belong to PAP. PAP will fall one day. Nothing lasts forever. SG needs the armed forces to protect us.

There are already FTsh minors holding dual citizenship which allows them to enjoy benefits here like locals for example, medical benefits, education, Govt grants, etc but when time comes to serve NS, bet your bottom dollar that many would leave. They have no problem to go back to where they came from. At the end of the day, locals must still defend and die for this country. Please don't tell locals how to evade NS. Tell us how to get rid of FTsh.

 

[GoldenPeriod]

Wednesday, February 5, 2014

Singapore. How to avoid national service



Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have been receiving numerous enquiries daily on how young Singaporean men can avoid national service. It is very easy.

The only way is to leave Singapore. Young men before they are enlisted into the army do not need exit permits if they are going on holiday for not more than 90 days. All you need is a passport and a return ticket.

Before you plan to leave enroll in a foreign school university or college, e.g. in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, USA etc. Once you have been accepted, simply leave the island to the country where you have obtained acceptance. Once there, simply ignore all enlistment notices that may be sent to you at your last known address.

If your parents are still in Singapore, simply tell them to ignore any notices from Singapore CMPB. They cannot do anything to your parents for your failure to return since they have not signed any bond, because any trip for less than 90 days does not require any permission to leave.

Once you are abroad and have failed to return, you have committed an offense under the Enlistment Act. But this means nothing as long as you remain abroad and never return to Singapore. They cannot extradite you and there is no way they can do anything to you as long as you remain out of Singapore.

While you are abroad, at some point of time, your Singapore passport may expire. This may cause some problems as any extension application for your student status may require proof of a valid travel document. I don't think you have to worry too much about this. If you cannot prove that you have a valid travel document, simply file an asylum claim. This filing will give you valid status for filing student status extensions.

But be warned that refusal to do national service is not a ground for an asylum claim. But it is a ground if you claim to be a 7th Day Adventist, Jehovah's Witness etc which proscribes the use of firearms on religious grounds, since you can raise a valid argument that forcing you to carry arms is an express violation of your religion. What strengthens your case is that unlike many Western countries which allow you to do community service instead of serving in the army, Singapore does not allow this option.

Several Singaporeans have obtained asylum because they were persecuted for being gay. This is an accepted ground for asylum claims from Singapore since it is well documented that the island persecutes gay people. This may be a ground for you but may be unacceptable for those who detest homosexuality or any association with it.

Otherwise marry an American, Canadian or Australian or women from wherever you are; and that will solve the problem.

Otherwise file a claim that you have been persecuted on political grounds because you were supporting the opposition etc.

But remember, simply raising criminal grounds such as fear of loan sharks and criminals is not a valid asylum claim.

One caveat on marriage cases. At least you have to try to make it real. In other words, if you are 20, don't claim to have fallen in love with a 85 year old woman; it is unlikely to be believed. Remember, once you get your residence, you can part ways.

From anecdotal evidence, the Lee Kuan Yew's Singapore is having a hard time getting anyone to serve in national service. First you have the huge growing problem of young men who go abroad and never return.

Second you have the unrelenting decline in birth rate, leaving the island bereft of young men. Third you have an aging population and there are hardly anyone of military age. Fourth you have increasing numbers of permanent residents who give up their residencies and leave with their entire families once the son becomes of national service age.

And lastly you have to contend with the likes of Gopalan Nair and Singapore Dissident who is determined to deplete the ranks of the Singapore army.

I have been told that the army barracks in Singapore is hardly receiving any occupants. Very soon they may be almost empty.

Good Luck to you in your life in the foreign country. Remember the world is wide. You only die once. Don't be afraid. By not doing it, you will only live to regret it for the rest of your life. If you do it, at least you have the chance of succeeding.

In my case, when I left with just $500.00 in my pocket and a one way ticket to Frankfurt, I told myself the worst thing that could ever happen to me was that I will die. After all we all die once. I not only didn't die, I did pretty well. I cannot deny that it was a wonderful adventure.

What man needs according to Nickos Kazantzakis in Zorba the Greek, is "a little bit of madness, because it will cut the rope and make you free". Zorba tells the Englishman not to put every question on a weighing machine, and looking at the pros and cons and being overly cautious. Life after all is a chance. You may or you may not succeed. But if you didn't try, you will never know. I would have been a far happier person having tried and failed completely ; rather than one who never tried.

If you are surprised why I can write this, remember, I am only able to write this because I am physically in California USA. Had I been within Singapore now, I would have been immediately arrested and tried for treason and jailed and the key thrown away. They only get you if they can.

Gopalan Nair
Attorney at Law
A Singaporean in Exile
Fremont, California USA
Tel: 510 491 8525
Email: [email protected]

Not really a strategy though. You can never come back!

 

[kezgtree]

...hmmm..not true..they are allow to volunteer if I am not wrong...my reservist mate(Indonesia) told me.