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How is that taken care of when the SG of PAPpies is the husband of the CEO of Temasek Holdings?
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How is that taken care of when the SG of PAPpies is the husband of the CEO of Temasek Holdings?
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I have another confession to make. No, my name is not Ravi, but my other full name, NRIC number and address are ... 
MP Hri Kumar Nair (in Parliament on 26th August 2008):
On that note, I would like to touch on two specific matters in the Bill. First, the provisions to compel a solicitor to undergo a medical examination if there are doubts that he is physically or mentally capable of discharging his duties. It is difficult to argue against its rationale. However, I would like to raise a few points.
First, the Bill provides that where an application is made by the Attorney-General or the Law Society Council, and it appears to the Judge that the fitness of the solicitor may be impaired, the Judge shall order the solicitor to be examined by a registered medical practitioner who meets certain criteria as the Judge may specify. However, it is unclear whether the Judge merely specifies the criteria, or identifies the actual medical practitioner. If the former, who selects the medical practitioner?
In this regard, I note a striking dissimilarity with the law governing the medical profession. The Medical Registration Act and its regulations also empower the Medical Council to take steps to deal with doctors who may not be able to discharge their duties on account of their physical or mental condition. In that case, the Complaints or Health Committee may invite the doctor to be examined by at least two medical practitioners to be appointed by the Committee, but the doctor is also entitled to nominate his own medical practitioners to report to the Committee on his fitness to practise.
Sir, there is a more fundamental difference between lawyers and doctors in this regard. Where a doctor refuses medical examination, he risks his practising certificate. Under the Bill, the lawyer who refuses risks not just his practising certificate, he would be in contempt of court as well. There may be many reasons why a person may refuse a medical examination, particularly when the report will be disclosed to the Council (which is made up of his peers) and the Attorney-General. We are not dealing with a public health issue. A lawyer, just like a doctor, should be entitled to refuse examination without the pain of contempt. He puts his certificate at risk, but that is his choice. And if he chooses to subject himself to an examination, he should, like doctors, be entitled to furnish the report of a physician of his choice as well.
Second, the proposed section 25C(6) spells out that "the solicitor shall bear all costs of incidental to his medical examination …". Could the Minister clarify whether it is intended to include the costs of the legal proceedings to compel the lawyer to undergo the medical examination? In this regard, I hope the intention is to leave such matters, as is usually the case, to the discretion of the Courts.
Sir, on the issue of the penalties and the increased penalties, clause 26(e) of the Bill proposes amending section 82A(12)(d) increasing the monetary penalty that could be imposed on a legal officer or non-practising solicitor from the present of not more than $5,000 to not more than $20,000. Clause 27(a) of the Bill proposes to amend section 83 to allow for the penalty of not more than $100,000 on a practising solicitor.
In both cases, the monetary penalty is but one of the various possible punishments that could be imposed. The questions are: Why the disparity of increase? Why the disparity between $100,000 and $20,000?
The nature of the penalty raises another issue. What is the basis of the new upper limit of $100,000? I note that the upper limit for medical practitioners stands at $10,000. A lawyer may also be suspended for up to five years, while a doctor can only be suspended up to three years. May I ask: why the disparity in treatment, particularly where there is an equally strong, and arguably even higher, public interest in the regulation of doctors? This, of course, does not address whether there is consistency in the actual penalties given to lawyers and doctors for similar transgressions, but that is a different debate.
There is also proposed a whole slew of changes to streamline the disciplinary process to shorten the time to dispose of cases. I welcome this, as it does the legal profession little credit to have complaints against its members pending or unresolved for any considerable length of time. Such new measures include the step of reducing the Disciplinary Tribunal to just two members, and not requiring unanimity of the Tribunal in making the decisions. So, where there is a disagreement, the decision of the President prevails.
Sir, the fate of the respondent solicitor, therefore, effectively lies in the hands of one person, the President of the Tribunal. I understand that there has been much discussion on this issue with the Law Society, and this is a compromise solution. I will, therefore, not go over the same issues and arguments.
I would, however, like to draw a comparison again with the medical profession. A medical disciplinary committee consists of three registered medical practitioners of at least 10 years' standing, of whom at least two shall be members of the Medical Council. There is a lay observer, but he cannot vote and his presence is not even required. This is a bit odd but, again, I will leave that to a different debate. Therefore, unlike the proposed new law for the legal profession, the doctors are still judged by a majority of his peers. I would imagine, Sir, that any concern over the length of time it takes to dispose of complaints against lawyers would likewise apply to complaints against doctors and other professionals. In the circumstances, can we expect similar amendments to legislation governing the conduct of all other professions?
Finally, Sir, with respect to the remarks by the hon. Member Dr Teo Ho Pin, can I just say this: It is because the vast majority of lawyers are honest and honourable that, when one falls, it makes the news and the public expresses its surprise and outrage. So, let us keep things in perspective. I think we will really be in trouble when lawyers fall and no one really thinks much about it.
MP Hri Kumar Nair (in Parliament on 26th August 2008):
On that note, I would like to touch on two specific matters in the Bill. First, the provisions to compel a solicitor to undergo a medical examination if there are doubts that he is physically or mentally capable of discharging his duties. It is difficult to argue against its rationale. However, I would like to raise a few points.
First, the Bill provides that where an application is made by the Attorney-General or the Law Society Council, and it appears to the Judge that the fitness of the solicitor may be impaired, the Judge shall order the solicitor to be examined by a registered medical practitioner who meets certain criteria as the Judge may specify. However, it is unclear whether the Judge merely specifies the criteria, or identifies the actual medical practitioner. If the former, who selects the medical practitioner?
In this regard, I note a striking dissimilarity with the law governing the medical profession. The Medical Registration Act and its regulations also empower the Medical Council to take steps to deal with doctors who may not be able to discharge their duties on account of their physical or mental condition. In that case, the Complaints or Health Committee may invite the doctor to be examined by at least two medical practitioners to be appointed by the Committee, but the doctor is also entitled to nominate his own medical practitioners to report to the Committee on his fitness to practise.
Sir, there is a more fundamental difference between lawyers and doctors in this regard. Where a doctor refuses medical examination, he risks his practising certificate. Under the Bill, the lawyer who refuses risks not just his practising certificate, he would be in contempt of court as well. There may be many reasons why a person may refuse a medical examination, particularly when the report will be disclosed to the Council (which is made up of his peers) and the Attorney-General. We are not dealing with a public health issue. A lawyer, just like a doctor, should be entitled to refuse examination without the pain of contempt. He puts his certificate at risk, but that is his choice. And if he chooses to subject himself to an examination, he should, like doctors, be entitled to furnish the report of a physician of his choice as well.
Second, the proposed section 25C(6) spells out that "the solicitor shall bear all costs of incidental to his medical examination …". Could the Minister clarify whether it is intended to include the costs of the legal proceedings to compel the lawyer to undergo the medical examination? In this regard, I hope the intention is to leave such matters, as is usually the case, to the discretion of the Courts.
Sir, on the issue of the penalties and the increased penalties, clause 26(e) of the Bill proposes amending section 82A(12)(d) increasing the monetary penalty that could be imposed on a legal officer or non-practising solicitor from the present of not more than $5,000 to not more than $20,000. Clause 27(a) of the Bill proposes to amend section 83 to allow for the penalty of not more than $100,000 on a practising solicitor.
In both cases, the monetary penalty is but one of the various possible punishments that could be imposed. The questions are: Why the disparity of increase? Why the disparity between $100,000 and $20,000?
The nature of the penalty raises another issue. What is the basis of the new upper limit of $100,000? I note that the upper limit for medical practitioners stands at $10,000. A lawyer may also be suspended for up to five years, while a doctor can only be suspended up to three years. May I ask: why the disparity in treatment, particularly where there is an equally strong, and arguably even higher, public interest in the regulation of doctors? This, of course, does not address whether there is consistency in the actual penalties given to lawyers and doctors for similar transgressions, but that is a different debate.
There is also proposed a whole slew of changes to streamline the disciplinary process to shorten the time to dispose of cases. I welcome this, as it does the legal profession little credit to have complaints against its members pending or unresolved for any considerable length of time. Such new measures include the step of reducing the Disciplinary Tribunal to just two members, and not requiring unanimity of the Tribunal in making the decisions. So, where there is a disagreement, the decision of the President prevails.
Sir, the fate of the respondent solicitor, therefore, effectively lies in the hands of one person, the President of the Tribunal. I understand that there has been much discussion on this issue with the Law Society, and this is a compromise solution. I will, therefore, not go over the same issues and arguments.
I would, however, like to draw a comparison again with the medical profession. A medical disciplinary committee consists of three registered medical practitioners of at least 10 years' standing, of whom at least two shall be members of the Medical Council. There is a lay observer, but he cannot vote and his presence is not even required. This is a bit odd but, again, I will leave that to a different debate. Therefore, unlike the proposed new law for the legal profession, the doctors are still judged by a majority of his peers. I would imagine, Sir, that any concern over the length of time it takes to dispose of complaints against lawyers would likewise apply to complaints against doctors and other professionals. In the circumstances, can we expect similar amendments to legislation governing the conduct of all other professions?
Finally, Sir, with respect to the remarks by the hon. Member Dr Teo Ho Pin, can I just say this: It is because the vast majority of lawyers are honest and honourable that, when one falls, it makes the news and the public expresses its surprise and outrage. So, let us keep things in perspective. I think we will really be in trouble when lawyers fall and no one really thinks much about it.
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Failure on the part of dumbfuck sinkie parents.
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but the allowance is better than a full time salary. why like that also can?
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blame it on the lack of ten year series on parenting! there's no tuition for good parenting too!
boss! kin! kin! patent this idea and start writing ten year series on parenting skills! must have exams and certification too!
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Being a Singaporean MP. British MPs, US Senators and Congressmen work full time.
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Not possible. Making a real difference in real life means they have to appear in public with their real identity and stop making fake bullshit up.
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Very possible, if only you can get this guy to stop doing what his father does best, lately his goons have been doing it in a very clumsy fashion ... ... ...
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Two hands to clap! 80% parents are busy trying to make a living. Not all are educated enough to inculcate in their kids the need to perform public service. Schools are the best place for this.
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@2:08 You don't have to have education in order to know ... ...
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When an allowance far exceeds median salary it is a mockery of an honest day work for an honest pay
spot on, ups you.
Now we know that they are not chosen with criteria to serve the country but for PAP to fill the whole parliament with their own cronies.
This devious setup will fail and history will be rewritten on LKY.
Such a cheat is not and will not go down well in history, personally and for the country.
The world is waiting for one opportunity to whack PAP and may not be your or our life time to see it.
Now we know that they are not chosen with criteria to serve the country but for PAP to fill the whole parliament with their own cronies.
This devious setup will fail and history will be rewritten on LKY.
Such a cheat is not and will not go down well in history, personally and for the country.
The world is waiting for one opportunity to whack PAP and may not be your or our life time to see it.
I come from a land down under, where women glow and men plunder.
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what a laaaaazzy aussie. shld ask more paper generals to quit to aussie and steal his jobs and then some more. sure will make hypocrite happy when such lazzy ang mo get replaced with superior sinkie foreign talent si boh??
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seriously i hate the color white...
self-acclaimed "white" is the mockery of singapore born singaporeans basic intelligence
self-acclaimed "elites" calling the taxpayers "lesser mortals, sheep, daft' and etc is
the awakening call for those who had "slept" for 40yrs, vote them in initially and suffered the "walkover" syndrome for the last 20yrs...
this new ethnic group "elites(self-acclaimed)" is a living stigma of human by itself, one who can't speak their own mother tongue and one who kowtow to whatever is considered "white man" or "western"
how to trust someone who forgotten their own roots and trying to behave like some western monkeys???
“interesting news”, LIEUTENANT-GENERAL Desmond Kuek Bak Chye, the former Chief of Defence Force, will soon be exploring a whole new terrain...
pay millions to lose billions
pay millions to have terrorist (physically handicapped one) to walk out of detention in eleven minutes
pay millions to have minister getting "new learning experience"
pay millions to have security BREACHED at a major public transport establishment...
and now pay millions to let ppl "explore a whole new terrain"
VERY EXPENSIVE NURSERY WE HAVE HERE on this little island south of the malay peninsula...
what and why do we need ex-military staff in non-militart establishments?
imagine how much jobs can be freed up and passed down to public if our PART-TIME MP COMMIT FULL TIME and stop hogging these appointments
having more than one appointment does not give one more than 24hrs a day...
so who did they neglect?
the taxpayers?
their own companies?
or the companies which they collecting directorship fees from?
it's a FUNDAMENTAL BREACH of their claim that they should be paid obscenely high packages as they might be getting it in private sector.
now they claim it as allowances, work as "PART-TIME MP" and still collecting $$$ all over the place...
UNIQUELY SINGAPORE???
In reality, the nation have been providing welfare state benefits (juz
because of one party rule system) to
leeches aka papees
leeching on the system. These
leeches aka papees wasting nation's
time and resources and etc every single second of the Mother Earth's day.
By some unfortunate default, we as a nation have to put food on table and
tonnes of $$$ for these leeches...
The country needs the government (employees of the public) to work for the
country.
Can these leeches aka papees become self reliant? Get a job and be prepared
to work hard
at least for once in a lifetime. Stop Leeching on the system.
FUCK PAP, FUCK PAP, FUCK
PAP.........
MAY PAPEES, CRONIES N FAMILIES BURN ETERNALLY IN HELLS.........
MAJULLAH SINGAPURA.........
GOD BLESS SINGAPORE..............
REMEMBER to
VOTE papees OUT
do yrself, yr forefathers and yr generations to come, a favor, a service
and a long-awaited justice
iamhere says a lot about this:"The democracy shall cease to exist when you
take away from those who are willing to work and give to those LEECHES who would not.”
self-acclaimed "white" is the mockery of singapore born singaporeans basic intelligence
self-acclaimed "elites" calling the taxpayers "lesser mortals, sheep, daft' and etc is
the awakening call for those who had "slept" for 40yrs, vote them in initially and suffered the "walkover" syndrome for the last 20yrs...
this new ethnic group "elites(self-acclaimed)" is a living stigma of human by itself, one who can't speak their own mother tongue and one who kowtow to whatever is considered "white man" or "western"
how to trust someone who forgotten their own roots and trying to behave like some western monkeys???
“interesting news”, LIEUTENANT-GENERAL Desmond Kuek Bak Chye, the former Chief of Defence Force, will soon be exploring a whole new terrain...
pay millions to lose billions
pay millions to have terrorist (physically handicapped one) to walk out of detention in eleven minutes
pay millions to have minister getting "new learning experience"
pay millions to have security BREACHED at a major public transport establishment...
and now pay millions to let ppl "explore a whole new terrain"
VERY EXPENSIVE NURSERY WE HAVE HERE on this little island south of the malay peninsula...
what and why do we need ex-military staff in non-militart establishments?
imagine how much jobs can be freed up and passed down to public if our PART-TIME MP COMMIT FULL TIME and stop hogging these appointments
having more than one appointment does not give one more than 24hrs a day...
so who did they neglect?
the taxpayers?
their own companies?
or the companies which they collecting directorship fees from?
it's a FUNDAMENTAL BREACH of their claim that they should be paid obscenely high packages as they might be getting it in private sector.
now they claim it as allowances, work as "PART-TIME MP" and still collecting $$$ all over the place...
UNIQUELY SINGAPORE???
In reality, the nation have been providing welfare state benefits (juz
because of one party rule system) to
leeches aka papees
leeching on the system. These
leeches aka papees wasting nation's
time and resources and etc every single second of the Mother Earth's day.
By some unfortunate default, we as a nation have to put food on table and
tonnes of $$$ for these leeches...
The country needs the government (employees of the public) to work for the
country.
Can these leeches aka papees become self reliant? Get a job and be prepared
to work hard
at least for once in a lifetime. Stop Leeching on the system.
FUCK PAP, FUCK PAP, FUCK
PAP.........
MAY PAPEES, CRONIES N FAMILIES BURN ETERNALLY IN HELLS.........
MAJULLAH SINGAPURA.........
GOD BLESS SINGAPORE..............
REMEMBER to
VOTE papees OUT
do yrself, yr forefathers and yr generations to come, a favor, a service
and a long-awaited justice
iamhere says a lot about this:"The democracy shall cease to exist when you
take away from those who are willing to work and give to those LEECHES who would not.”
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seriously i hate the color white...
self-acclaimed "white" is the mockery of singapore born singaporeans basic intelligence
self-acclaimed "elites" calling the taxpayers "lesser mortals, sheep, daft' and etc is
the awakening call for those who had "slept" for 40yrs, vote them in initially and suffered the "walkover" syndrome for the last 20yrs...
this new ethnic group "elites(self-acclaimed)" is a living stigma of human by itself, one who can't speak their own mother tongue and one who kowtow to whatever is considered "white man" or "western"
how to trust someone who forgotten their own roots and trying to behave like some western monkeys???
“interesting news”, LIEUTENANT-GENERAL Desmond Kuek Bak Chye, the former Chief of Defence Force, will soon be exploring a whole new terrain...
pay millions to lose billions
pay millions to have terrorist (physically handicapped one) to walk out of detention in eleven minutes
pay millions to have minister getting "new learning experience"
pay millions to have security BREACHED at a major public transport establishment...
and now pay millions to let ppl "explore a whole new terrain"
VERY EXPENSIVE NURSERY WE HAVE HERE on this little island south of the malay peninsula...
what and why do we need ex-military staff in non-militart establishments?
imagine how much jobs can be freed up and passed down to public if our PART-TIME MP COMMIT FULL TIME and stop hogging these appointments
having more than one appointment does not give one more than 24hrs a day...
so who did they neglect?
the taxpayers?
their own companies?
or the companies which they collecting directorship fees from?
it's a FUNDAMENTAL BREACH of their claim that they should be paid obscenely high packages as they might be getting it in private sector.
now they claim it as allowances, work as "PART-TIME MP" and still collecting $$$ all over the place...
UNIQUELY SINGAPORE???
In reality, the nation have been providing welfare state benefits (juz
because of one party rule system) to
leeches aka papees
leeching on the system. These
leeches aka papees wasting nation's
time and resources and etc every single second of the Mother Earth's day.
By some unfortunate default, we as a nation have to put food on table and
tonnes of $$$ for these leeches...
The country needs the government (employees of the public) to work for the
country.
Can these leeches aka papees become self reliant? Get a job and be prepared
to work hard
at least for once in a lifetime. Stop Leeching on the system.
FUCK PAP, FUCK PAP, FUCK
PAP.........
MAY PAPEES, CRONIES N FAMILIES BURN ETERNALLY IN HELLS.........
MAJULLAH SINGAPURA.........
GOD BLESS SINGAPORE..............
REMEMBER to
VOTE papees OUT
do yrself, yr forefathers and yr generations to come, a favor, a service
and a long-awaited justice
iamhere says a lot about this:"The democracy shall cease to exist when you
take away from those who are willing to work and give to those LEECHES who would not.”
Jo teo bitch will never understand why u so angry.
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Confirm not alone. We will hoot them back!!!
We have had and still having "disturbances in the Force", we shall do a "RETURN OF THE JEDIs" in 2016...
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no one realize these r chosen ones? they r chosen becos on one hand they appear to serve what they can at night but the hard fact is that being a part timer who really has no passion to enter politics in the first place, they r in effect presenting zero threat to the local clown oops i mean crown.
the state of politics to neutralize those who appear to be in direct threat and lobbying for those who represent zero threat is substance to what decay and danger of how so much power is fallen in the hands of so few. where the pope selects the cardinals and the cardinals select the pope.
http://www.mcgill.ca/files/isid/Tan.Singapore.pdf
this relief the consequences of fallen regimes like umno, golkar (indon), congress (india), kuomintang (taiwan), etc leading to splinter groups that will rise to challenge them.
the state of politics to neutralize those who appear to be in direct threat and lobbying for those who represent zero threat is substance to what decay and danger of how so much power is fallen in the hands of so few. where the pope selects the cardinals and the cardinals select the pope.
http://www.mcgill.ca/files/isid/Tan.Singapore.pdf
this relief the consequences of fallen regimes like umno, golkar (indon), congress (india), kuomintang (taiwan), etc leading to splinter groups that will rise to challenge them.
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