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WP Mr Low rebuttal to Ah Huay on the messy accounts accusations

Unrepented

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Found another site:smile: No need go today shit site. Thanks again vamjok. :smile:

Bros, please help bump this thread up after you see the video, so that others can see it too to be fair to WP.

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http://wp.sg/wpge/2011/05/3-may-2011-rally-speech-by-low-thia-khiang/

3 May 2011 – Rally Speech by Low Thia Khiang
Punggol East SMC (Open Field bounded by Sengkang East Avenue and Sengkang East Drive)

Dear Voters of Punggol East, Seng Kang West, friends and fellow Singaporeans, good evening.

We have entered a critical phase in this election. PAP has shown its hands. They have embarked on a personal attack against me to try to discredit me. The Prime Minister has personally gone down to Aljunied GRC to campaign for the PAP team led by 2 ministers and a future speaker of Parliament, three veteran PAP heavy weight candidates. And MM Lee has also come out to make fun of our team as compared to the PAP’s.

I believe they will also make use of the media to mock me. Please be careful of what you read in news paper and what you see on TV. Please come and attend our rallies in the next 2 nights and help us to spread the message, and keep checking our web site wp.sg

First, I want to respond to Mrs Lim Hwee Hua’s accusation about Hougang Town Council’s Account. She said: “Is it messy or are they holding back till after the elections so that whoever wins Hougang will then inherit the account?”

Do you believe that Low Thia Khiang is dishonest? Do you believe that if the account of Hougang Town Council is messy, I can survive for 20 years?

The account of Hougang Town Council, like any Town Council account from the PAP, has to be audited by a public accountant who must be approved by the Ministry for National Development. After the auditor completed the audit, it has to be submitted to the Ministry for National Development and Auditor General for approval. After which, like all statutory boards, it has to be presented to Parliament and each MP can have a copy of it.

If the account is messy, how come MND and Auditor General approved it? Why is Mrs Lim, who is a minister and an MP, making this kind of comment now? She has received a copy of the report on Hougang Town Council and had not made any observations earlier. Why shoot such irresponsible comments on me now? What is she trying to do?

May I remind her as well that during the Lehman crisis, Hougang Town Council is one of those who did not lose any money! We have always handled our funds prudently.

Next, she brings in the issue of the privatization of the HUDC estate at Hougang Ave 7. She says that Hougang Town Council has not given the pro-tem committee formed for the purpose of privatization on the portion of the sinking fund balance, to be transferred to them after the privatization. This is again totally misleading.

The HUDC estate is part of the estate managed by the Town Council. The expenditure of the estate such as repainting works, reroofing works, building maintenance and other expenses are all taken in one single account under the account of Hougang Town Council which includes the HDB flats. This was what I took over from the PAP when I was elected in 1991.

Now that these blocks are to be privatized and they will manage themselves, the accounts have to be segregated, including the expense attributed to the blocks. The balance will then be transferred to their account as required on the date decided by the HDB.

This is the first time Hougang Town Council has needed to do this, we want to be sure that the account separation is done properly and we do not have experience in this area, so what did we do? Hougang Town Council wrote to HDB on 23 August 2010 after the HDB sent its briefing note to HGTC on the privatization process on 23 August 2010. We asked for advice and guidance on the method and principles we should use to separate the account as well as format for the accounts to avoid future dispute on how we have arrived at the final amount to be transferred to them.

The HDB replied to the above query on 24 Nov 2010 and said that HougangTC will have to decide on the basis of splitting the account. Hougang TC then started preparation for the process by discussing with the auditor the job scope and modification of the computer system to capture the expenditure and receivables separately.

The auditor was then appointed on 17 March 2011 and the certified apportioned sinking fund based on audited account as at 31 March 2010 was completed on 11 April 2011. HGTC is now in the process of capturing the expenditure apportioned to the HUDC estate between 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011. Once the audited account for the HUDC estate is completed and presented to Parliament, HGTC will give a copy to the pro-term committee.

The HDB privatization briefing note to Hougang TC stated that the role of the TC is to hand over the operating and sinking fund to the Management Committee upon legal privatization. According to HDB who informed HGTC on 6 April, they have obtained the required consent for privatization but the expected duration to legally privatize the estate is 2 and half years!

I have called for a report on this issue, Hougang Town Council has given me the correspondence between the Town council and the HDB and between the pro-term committee chairman. The Pro-term committee chairman was informed of the steps HGTC has taken.

Therefore, we have done everything correctly. Why does Mrs Lim Hwee Hua decide to take up the case and suggest that the account of Hougang Town Council is messy and I, as chairman of Hougang Town Council, have done something wrong. I leave it to you to guess her intentions. Don’t you think that if I had done this, I am quite sure that I will be sued.

It is tiring during election time to deal with this kind of issue, instead of using my precious time to tell you more about Workers Party message and policies, I have to end up wasting time answering such nonsense accusations.

I will tell the PAP: if they suspect that I have done anything wrong with the account, do report me to the CPIB. Do not hookwink the voters at this critical time when polling day is near.

This is the PAP’s usual tactic: Do you still remember at the last election, the case of CCTV footage from the Election department?

All this is calculated to distract the voters and the Workers’ Party from delivering its message.

Election is a serious matter. I will be focused in the next 2 days to urge the voters to Vote Workers’ Party, towards a First World Parliament.
 

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Another smearing campaign gone wrong for the Papzis.
When will they ever learn ?
Shooting at your own foot always hurts :p
Old dogs will never learn new tricks :biggrin:
Like story-telling Tin , Lim Hwee Hua should dig a hole and hide inside till all this is over
:p
 

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What a disgrace! Does she not know about the audit procedure, or is she just a daft and overpaid flower?
 
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i hope low thia khiang sue lim swee hua for such groundless accusation. the damage done is quite serious
 

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anybody saw the two dark silouhettes they interviewed on TV who were allegedly the affected residents in the precinct ?

they might well be Cylons from Battlestar Galactica, you won't be able to tell
 

LeMans2011

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Lim Hwee Hua is a patron to the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Singapore. As you know she is also the second Ministar of Finance. Obviously she has a bunch of accountants to be her running dogs, i won't be surprised if she gets some of these top people in the accounting profession to find fault with the accounts. It is very easy to find fault with a set of accounts because in many areas there are judgement involved... where judgement is involved you can get a a few qualified persons to discredit another. Lawyers or doctors will not do that to each other, but i am not sure about accountants. Hence it depends how dirty PAP wants to play. So much for LHL's "sincere" apology.

Guess who are some of these accountants? Familiar faeces huh... oops i mean familiar faces
http://corp.icpas.org.sg/the-institute/the-council.aspx

Now... the auditor for Hougang TC is a small local company. If this bitch wants to go offensive, she could go to the extent of getting PWC or EY this kinda company to whack the Hougang TC report and its auditors. International Accounting Firms are famous for screwing one anothers backside.

Just when i thought they have repented of their sins... they got dirtier.
 
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http://wp.sg/wpge/2011/05/3-may-2011-rally-speech-by-low-thia-khiang/

3 May 2011 – Rally Speech by Low Thia Khiang
Punggol East SMC (Open Field bounded by Sengkang East Avenue and Sengkang East Drive)

Dear Voters of Punggol East, Seng Kang West, friends and fellow Singaporeans, good evening.

We have entered a critical phase in this election. PAP has shown its hands. They have embarked on a personal attack against me to try to discredit me. The Prime Minister has personally gone down to Aljunied GRC to campaign for the PAP team led by 2 ministers and a future speaker of Parliament, three veteran PAP heavy weight candidates. And MM Lee has also come out to make fun of our team as compared to the PAP’s.

I believe they will also make use of the media to mock me. Please be careful of what you read in news paper and what you see on TV. Please come and attend our rallies in the next 2 nights and help us to spread the message, and keep checking our web site wp.sg

First, I want to respond to Mrs Lim Hwee Hua’s accusation about Hougang Town Council’s Account. She said: “Is it messy or are they holding back till after the elections so that whoever wins Hougang will then inherit the account?”

Do you believe that Low Thia Khiang is dishonest? Do you believe that if the account of Hougang Town Council is messy, I can survive for 20 years?

The account of Hougang Town Council, like any Town Council account from the PAP, has to be audited by a public accountant who must be approved by the Ministry for National Development. After the auditor completed the audit, it has to be submitted to the Ministry for National Development and Auditor General for approval. After which, like all statutory boards, it has to be presented to Parliament and each MP can have a copy of it.

If the account is messy, how come MND and Auditor General approved it? Why is Mrs Lim, who is a minister and an MP, making this kind of comment now? She has received a copy of the report on Hougang Town Council and had not made any observations earlier. Why shoot such irresponsible comments on me now? What is she trying to do?

May I remind her as well that during the Lehman crisis, Hougang Town Council is one of those who did not lose any money! We have always handled our funds prudently.

Next, she brings in the issue of the privatization of the HUDC estate at Hougang Ave 7. She says that Hougang Town Council has not given the pro-tem committee formed for the purpose of privatization on the portion of the sinking fund balance, to be transferred to them after the privatization. This is again totally misleading.

The HUDC estate is part of the estate managed by the Town Council. The expenditure of the estate such as repainting works, reroofing works, building maintenance and other expenses are all taken in one single account under the account of Hougang Town Council which includes the HDB flats. This was what I took over from the PAP when I was elected in 1991.

Now that these blocks are to be privatized and they will manage themselves, the accounts have to be segregated, including the expense attributed to the blocks. The balance will then be transferred to their account as required on the date decided by the HDB.

This is the first time Hougang Town Council has needed to do this, we want to be sure that the account separation is done properly and we do not have experience in this area, so what did we do? Hougang Town Council wrote to HDB on 23 August 2010 after the HDB sent its briefing note to HGTC on the privatization process on 23 August 2010. We asked for advice and guidance on the method and principles we should use to separate the account as well as format for the accounts to avoid future dispute on how we have arrived at the final amount to be transferred to them.

The HDB replied to the above query on 24 Nov 2010 and said that HougangTC will have to decide on the basis of splitting the account. Hougang TC then started preparation for the process by discussing with the auditor the job scope and modification of the computer system to capture the expenditure and receivables separately.

The auditor was then appointed on 17 March 2011 and the certified apportioned sinking fund based on audited account as at 31 March 2010 was completed on 11 April 2011. HGTC is now in the process of capturing the expenditure apportioned to the HUDC estate between 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011. Once the audited account for the HUDC estate is completed and presented to Parliament, HGTC will give a copy to the pro-term committee.

The HDB privatization briefing note to Hougang TC stated that the role of the TC is to hand over the operating and sinking fund to the Management Committee upon legal privatization. According to HDB who informed HGTC on 6 April, they have obtained the required consent for privatization but the expected duration to legally privatize the estate is 2 and half years!

I have called for a report on this issue, Hougang Town Council has given me the correspondence between the Town council and the HDB and between the pro-term committee chairman. The Pro-term committee chairman was informed of the steps HGTC has taken.

Therefore, we have done everything correctly. Why does Mrs Lim Hwee Hua decide to take up the case and suggest that the account of Hougang Town Council is messy and I, as chairman of Hougang Town Council, have done something wrong. I leave it to you to guess her intentions. Don’t you think that if I had done this, I am quite sure that I will be sued.

It is tiring during election time to deal with this kind of issue, instead of using my precious time to tell you more about Workers Party message and policies, I have to end up wasting time answering such nonsense accusations.

I will tell the PAP: if they suspect that I have done anything wrong with the account, do report me to the CPIB. Do not hookwink the voters at this critical time when polling day is near.

This is the PAP’s usual tactic: Do you still remember at the last election, the case of CCTV footage from the Election department?

All this is calculated to distract the voters and the Workers’ Party from delivering its message.

Election is a serious matter. I will be focused in the next 2 days to urge the voters to Vote Workers’ Party, towards a First World Parliament.


Bump to support !!!!!!!

i am find it strange pap keep harping vote in WP will result in HDB price to fall. But if want look at the HDB records on the HDB website, one can see HDB flats in Hougang Ave 5 which is the heart of Hougang SMC, the prices of the 4room flats that transacted there are not much different from Hougang Ave 8 which was run by georgie aljunied grc. The prices for the last 12 months are as follow:

Hougang Ave 5 3rm flat : ranging from $245K to $330K (WP)

Hougang Ave 8 3rm flat : ranging from $220K to $326K (PAP)

Hougang Ave 5 4rm flat : ranging from $305K to $420K (WP)

Hougang Ave 8 4rm flat : ranging from $290K to $420K (PAP)

Hougang Ave 5 5rm flat : ranging from $340K to $527K (WP)

Hougang Ave 8 5rm flat : ranging from $390K to $496K (PAP)

looking at the above figure, i fail to comprehen how did PAP come up with the logic that WP run hougang HDB flat worth less than the same across the road in the PAP run estate. The figure above are not bull****, all taken from HDB resale e-service. On the whole, WP's Hougang worth more than PAP's Hougang. In fact, i use Hougang Ave 8 as comparsion place hougang ave 5 at a disadvantage as Hougang Ave 5 were built in 1983 while Ave 8 were built in 1986, some even in 1992.

So can PAP explain why people are paying more to buy a older flat in a "slum" while pay less for the newer flat in a "world clas estate" run by the PAP?

http://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/B...PReslTrans.jsp

feel free to click on the link to check, all the figures are from HDB website.











I stay in HG ave 5 and I can testify that the prices here are definitely not lower than other parts of hougang... even though the flats here were built earlier in 1983.

In fact, my neighbour's 5 room maisonette is worth more than 550k in today's market! I say 550k because he had an offer from a buyer and he rejected it... he says this place is peaceful, quiet, nice and spacious. Hard to find elsewhere in singapore.

So I'm puzzled at MM Lee's comments today which is not what I agree with.
 

LeMans2011

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Nevertheless, Lim Fei Hwa (林废话) is expected to do another "Viv Bala" ie smear and run.
With so much bigger losses incurred and murkier accounts of the PAP TC or be it Temasek or GIC, the last thing she wants to do is to go further here.
LTK did the right thing, he simply explained the process and question Lim Fei Hwa's intention.
A less experienced person could have counter-challenged her and falls into her trap of diverting attention from the real issues.

Opposition - stay focus and cool headed as the dark forces go offensive in the final days
 
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kazuo

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Lim Hwee Hua is a patron to the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Singapore. As you know she is also the second Ministar of Finance. Obviously she has a bunch of accountants to be her running dogs, i won't be surprised if she gets some of these top people in the accounting profession to find fault with the accounts. It is very easy to find fault with a set of accounts because in many areas there are judgement involved... where judgement is involved you can get a a few qualified persons to discredit another. Lawyers or doctors will not do that to each other, but i am not sure about accountants. Hence it depends how dirty PAP wants to play. So much for LHL's "sincere" apology.

Guess who are some of these accountants? Familiar faeces huh... oops i mean familiar faces
http://corp.icpas.org.sg/the-institute/the-council.aspx

Now... the auditor for Hougang TC is a small local company. If this bitch wants to go offensive, she could go to the extent of getting PWC or EY this kinda company to whack the Hougang TC report and its auditors. International Accounting Firms are famous for screwing one anothers backside.

Just when i thought they have repented of their sins... they got dirtier.

Then she is as good as questioning the AG and auditors who handle the account for LTK.
 

LeMans2011

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When the market is up, up all the way... not even MBT could stop the flats in LTK's ward from appreciating like the rests.
When the market is down, MBT withh all his Colombo Plan brilliance could only stare and watch.

So tell them don't talk shit
 

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天天辛苦工作,祈求飯碗安穩不打破。
耗盡才能,為何政府欺壓,让人民受苦。
谷底一起走過,無奈社會官商多勾結,
四處抽水,屢越界。

堅勇無懼,比心機搏,
全力撐住,不管起落。
不怕硬杖,有工人党!
你我牽手,勝萬鋼。

趕走不公添正義,人民做主,心中激奮。
手掌著命運,合理不過份,你應該著緊。
今天開始,不怕路斜,理想的一刻不遠。
再冇孤軍,志未斷。

堅勇無懼,比心機搏,
全力撐住,不管起落。
不怕硬杖,有工人党!
你我牽手,勝萬鋼。

團結團結就是力量
團結團結就是力量
團結團結就是力量

我有工人党,拍住上!
 

Cestbon

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Now Lin HH have to hide. Hope that WP will sue her. If she have prove can report to police earlier. Why try to misleading people now when election day?
 

Charlie99

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Very good response.
Go Workers Party Go!


http://wp.sg/wpge/2011/05/3-may-2011-rally-speech-by-low-thia-khiang/

3 May 2011 – Rally Speech by Low Thia Khiang
Punggol East SMC (Open Field bounded by Sengkang East Avenue and Sengkang East Drive)

Dear Voters of Punggol East, Seng Kang West, friends and fellow Singaporeans, good evening.

We have entered a critical phase in this election. PAP has shown its hands. They have embarked on a personal attack against me to try to discredit me. The Prime Minister has personally gone down to Aljunied GRC to campaign for the PAP team led by 2 ministers and a future speaker of Parliament, three veteran PAP heavy weight candidates. And MM Lee has also come out to make fun of our team as compared to the PAP’s.

I believe they will also make use of the media to mock me. Please be careful of what you read in news paper and what you see on TV. Please come and attend our rallies in the next 2 nights and help us to spread the message, and keep checking our web site wp.sg

First, I want to respond to Mrs Lim Hwee Hua’s accusation about Hougang Town Council’s Account. She said: “Is it messy or are they holding back till after the elections so that whoever wins Hougang will then inherit the account?”

Do you believe that Low Thia Khiang is dishonest? Do you believe that if the account of Hougang Town Council is messy, I can survive for 20 years?

The account of Hougang Town Council, like any Town Council account from the PAP, has to be audited by a public accountant who must be approved by the Ministry for National Development. After the auditor completed the audit, it has to be submitted to the Ministry for National Development and Auditor General for approval. After which, like all statutory boards, it has to be presented to Parliament and each MP can have a copy of it.

If the account is messy, how come MND and Auditor General approved it? Why is Mrs Lim, who is a minister and an MP, making this kind of comment now? She has received a copy of the report on Hougang Town Council and had not made any observations earlier. Why shoot such irresponsible comments on me now? What is she trying to do?

May I remind her as well that during the Lehman crisis, Hougang Town Council is one of those who did not lose any money! We have always handled our funds prudently.

Next, she brings in the issue of the privatization of the HUDC estate at Hougang Ave 7. She says that Hougang Town Council has not given the pro-tem committee formed for the purpose of privatization on the portion of the sinking fund balance, to be transferred to them after the privatization. This is again totally misleading.

The HUDC estate is part of the estate managed by the Town Council. The expenditure of the estate such as repainting works, reroofing works, building maintenance and other expenses are all taken in one single account under the account of Hougang Town Council which includes the HDB flats. This was what I took over from the PAP when I was elected in 1991.

Now that these blocks are to be privatized and they will manage themselves, the accounts have to be segregated, including the expense attributed to the blocks. The balance will then be transferred to their account as required on the date decided by the HDB.

This is the first time Hougang Town Council has needed to do this, we want to be sure that the account separation is done properly and we do not have experience in this area, so what did we do? Hougang Town Council wrote to HDB on 23 August 2010 after the HDB sent its briefing note to HGTC on the privatization process on 23 August 2010. We asked for advice and guidance on the method and principles we should use to separate the account as well as format for the accounts to avoid future dispute on how we have arrived at the final amount to be transferred to them.

The HDB replied to the above query on 24 Nov 2010 and said that HougangTC will have to decide on the basis of splitting the account. Hougang TC then started preparation for the process by discussing with the auditor the job scope and modification of the computer system to capture the expenditure and receivables separately.

The auditor was then appointed on 17 March 2011 and the certified apportioned sinking fund based on audited account as at 31 March 2010 was completed on 11 April 2011. HGTC is now in the process of capturing the expenditure apportioned to the HUDC estate between 31 March 2010 and 31 March 2011. Once the audited account for the HUDC estate is completed and presented to Parliament, HGTC will give a copy to the pro-term committee.

The HDB privatization briefing note to Hougang TC stated that the role of the TC is to hand over the operating and sinking fund to the Management Committee upon legal privatization. According to HDB who informed HGTC on 6 April, they have obtained the required consent for privatization but the expected duration to legally privatize the estate is 2 and half years!

I have called for a report on this issue, Hougang Town Council has given me the correspondence between the Town council and the HDB and between the pro-term committee chairman. The Pro-term committee chairman was informed of the steps HGTC has taken.

Therefore, we have done everything correctly. Why does Mrs Lim Hwee Hua decide to take up the case and suggest that the account of Hougang Town Council is messy and I, as chairman of Hougang Town Council, have done something wrong. I leave it to you to guess her intentions. Don’t you think that if I had done this, I am quite sure that I will be sued.

It is tiring during election time to deal with this kind of issue, instead of using my precious time to tell you more about Workers Party message and policies, I have to end up wasting time answering such nonsense accusations.

I will tell the PAP: if they suspect that I have done anything wrong with the account, do report me to the CPIB. Do not hookwink the voters at this critical time when polling day is near.

This is the PAP’s usual tactic: Do you still remember at the last election, the case of CCTV footage from the Election department?

All this is calculated to distract the voters and the Workers’ Party from delivering its message.

Election is a serious matter. I will be focused in the next 2 days to urge the voters to Vote Workers’ Party, towards a First World Parliament.
 

SIFU

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Nevertheless, Lim Fei Hwa (林废话) is expected to do another "Viv Bala" ie smear and run.
With so much bigger losses incurred and murkier accounts of the PAP TC or be it Temasek or GIC, the last thing she wants to do is to go further here.
LTK did the
Opposition - stay focus and cool headed as the dark forces go offensive in the final days

now all the CCB pap Mps/ministers' mo is to throw an accusation, refuse to back up with facts later. then will say move on, not discussing the issue anymore.

CCB pap, fucking dirty.:oIo:
 

ivebert

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