Chitchat Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional!

[chootchiew]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

think by evening she will be escorted into changi with her black lacy g string and bra stripped off for inspection.
after that the lucky warden will get to check her hairy abalone daily

Just check latest news - Arguments for the appeal will continue on Wednesday.

 

[kkbutterfly]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Just check latest news - Arguments for the appeal will continue on Wednesday.

Arguments for the appeal should already ended by today.
tomorrow should sum up everything.

I wonder she will own self strip nake in front of all wardens or go inside changing room and strip

 

[chootchiew]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Arguments for the appeal should already ended by today.
tomorrow should sum up everything.

I wonder she will own self strip nake in front of all wardens or go inside changing room and strip

I can't imagine it as I can't accept it.
I wondering how does a successful prisoner looks like.

 

[BritExit]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

If you queue at hawker centers for a piece of soya sauced chicken, are you brainwashed and delusional too?

 

[numero uno]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

noticed it is usually a bunch of ugly, retards with alot of free time(probably jobless idiots) sitting on the floor(ala filipino maid or china labourers>>>how low class can you get) qasting their lives queing for some idiots. brainwashed as these people have inferiority complexes and the church knows it and manipulate their sermons into giving false hope and acceptance. BTW that serina is crap and looks like shit. sinkies have bad taste. Go to China , Japan, thailand, vietnam , korea and even malaysian chinese are way prettier and that serina shitty looks and ability is fit only for a toilet cleaner job.

 

[cocobobo]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Face lack symmetry

 

[Ectar]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

They are camping to catch Dragonite lah!

 

[CoffeeAhSoh]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

They are camping to catch Dragonite lah!

Now at high street corner. Judgement reserved to a later date.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Interesting point you raised here bro.

What about the reference to S.409 of the Penal Code and whether all the elements had been satisfied as reported in today's ST?

The fact that they did the round-tripping rather than simply using the building funds to fund her singing career shows intent. The whole mechanism was sophisticated, highly (though not well) structured using debt securities including guarantees from one of their ardent followers shows the work of criminal minds.

What is interesting is the trust of the appeal from Edwin Tong for Kong Hee, Andre Maniam for Serina Wee where both had claimed that there was no loss and funding of her singing career was the right thing to do, completely avoiding the round-trip and the core of prosecution's case. It appears that they were addressing their followers rather than the court of appeal.

Kenneth Tan for John Lam clearly acknowledges there is a conspiracy but that his client had no part of it and thought it was all genuine. Paul Seah for Sharon Tan and Sreenivasan for Tan Yee Peng, both allude to conspiracy and criminal activity but downplay the part played by their clients.

Chew Eng Han representing himself acknowledges that indirectly that it is criminal but that he was brainwashed.

It should also be noted that the Prosecution has also lodged an appeal against the sentences meted out for all 6 and are seeking longer terms.

The approach by both Kong and Serina has tongues wagging - either they have an exit plan or they prefer to "martyr" themselves for another round of milking the gullible as Jim Bakker did after his prison sentence.

 

[Debonerman]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Now at high street corner. Judgement reserved to a later date.

It won't end there. There will be another round to the Court of Appeal on points of law. Another year of wayang for Kong. Kong had all along wanted to stretch the inevitable ending. Maybe, just maybe the law would get tired of making a go at Sun Ho for profiting from ill gotten gains..

 

[kkbutterfly]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

noticed it is usually a bunch of ugly, retards with alot of free time(probably jobless idiots) sitting on the floor(ala filipino maid or china labourers>>>how low class can you get) qasting their lives queing for some idiots. brainwashed as these people have inferiority complexes and the church knows it and manipulate their sermons into giving false hope and acceptance. BTW that serina is crap and looks like shit. sinkies have bad taste. Go to China , Japan, thailand, vietnam , korea and even malaysian chinese are way prettier and that serina shitty looks and ability is fit only for a toilet cleaner job.

I cant stands anybody workers that come to work with a cap on(regardless of what color,regardless of the cap facing front or wear opposite)
ta boleh tahan

 

[Wunderfool]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

SINGAPORE: Six City Harvest Church leaders who "committed fraud of the worst kind" should be put away for longer, prosecutors argued on Wednesday (Sep 21).

They said the trial judge had been too lenient and had "abandoned and ignored" sentencing guidelines by failing to take into account the massive amount of monies involved, among other aggravating factors.

The trial judge had "untethered his sentencing from his moorings", resulting in sentences that are manifestly inadequate, prosecutors said. He had also given "undue weight" to mitigating factors, including that the offenders caused no permanent loss to the church and did not gain personally from their crimes, they argued.

Refuting the points, prosecutors said the six had "knowingly put CHC's interests (and monies) at risk" by diverting S$24 million into sham bonds, which they knew they could not repay.

They misappropriated another S$26 million to cover up the first amount so auditors would not find out. This S$26 million was "obtained through external loans", and not through any plans the six put in place to ensure no church monies would be lost, Deputy Public Prosecutor Christopher Ong told the court.

DPP Ong also pointed out the trial judge had found "Kong Hee had benefitted indirectly, because his wife Sun Ho was the direct beneficiary of the sham investments".

Prosecutors pointed to e-mails Kong sent to Ms Ho's US manager encouraging him to "plan as if the sky is the limit" for her new album, and they would "work out how we are going to get the funds later". "Let's shoot for top-of-the-line type of planning in everything we do for Sun", Kong wrote.

In reality, Ms Ho's career was being secretly bankrolled by CHC, with millions poured into her secular music career via two church-controlled companies.

The six offenders have argued that furthering Ms Ho's career was a mission of the church supported by its members, however, DPP Ong questioned whether church members knew exactly what their support entailed.

"If I offer you a Ferrari free of charge, you will take it. If I tell you I'll give you a Ferrari, but I'm using your money to pay for it - you may not be supportive of it. That's the point I'm trying to make," DPP Ong said. “They never told the congregation: ‘This is what we’re planning to do with Sun and all of you are going to pay for it to the tune of S$24 million’.”

He argued the support of the congregation "must be viewed in the context of what they were told". Church members were unaware they were footing the bill, because Kong and his team repeatedly lied that no church funds were being used to fund his wife's career.

Justice Chan Seng Onn questioned whether there may have been a cheaper way to evangelise. “When you say that the church members supported the Crossover Project (Sun Ho’s secular music career), maybe I don’t have any doubt that they would have. But, of course … the means to (evangelise) can be many”, Justice Chan said.

He wondered whether the church’s evangelistic mission could have been carried out with less extravagance. “It can be Sun Ho singing, it could be engaging at a much cheaper cost, maybe a K-pop (concert), and Kong Hee can come to the concert and then preach.

"Sun Ho is doing it, buy an expensive apartment, fly first class, expend all the money, that’s another way of it, all in the name of evangelisation. There can be many means.”

The deceptive and manipulative actions of the six offenders "place their offences within a band of fraud of the worst kind", DPP Ong said, urging the court to up the prison terms of the six leaders.

 

[RandomNexus]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Round tripping in itself is not illegal. It is commonplace in Silicon valley. It may be frowned upon but it is not necessarily criminal

It is only when it is used for tax evasion or money laundering that it becomes a crime.

Different scenarios, Sam.

Here there is a motive - to hide the fact that building funds are used to promote Sun's career and protray the church is not involved in funding.

Hence intention to deceive.

Secondly, it is not open and transparent in the process.

Hence again intention to hide.

Was it not once upon a time our MIW government did claim GIC does not "invest" CPF money? I remember LKY openly saying it. Or did I recall it wrongly? That was a time when few knew what bonds were. Now MIW openly claims GIC investing in CPF funds.

Chew Eng Han is not an investment banker but a financial trader if you know his background, and this structuring of private bonds between 2 parties who had the same beneficiary and "provider" to authorise, is clearly a deficiency of his knowledge and understanding. He may know what are bonds but the scale of it requires an intermediary who can best advise. No bank was involved and so-called lawyers and auditors were not informed of the full extent. It is only when the last auditor revealed his discomfort, they have to scramble for a solution to get funds and hide further. The private banker if approached to do so, will turn it down without a doubt on the basis of the above.

Secondly why would a church want to do bonds in the first place? If Kong Hee has openly declared church funds are involved, this act will not be criminal. Look at another church, FCBC where the chief pastor engaged in magic shows but openly declared the church funds are involved. It was a transfer of funds from church to the entity involved in magic shows and notwithstandingly, you have the same directors (all of the chief's pastor family) in the entity.

Only after this scandal is published, FCBC's pastor quickly announced to the church the extent of the funding. Before this, I doubt anybody has full knowledge of how these funds are used. Members may not have full knowledge.

It is time for organisations to be transparent in their financials. If you want to spend like this, let this be open. Church members, some may be "dumb" but there are enough clear-minded ones who can tell a wrong from right. City Harvest's scandal would never have been exposed without these whistleblowers from the church.

The extent of the scandal is appalling. You have to call upon the state government to address an issue that should be done with proper governance in the religious organisation.

 

[RandomNexus]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

Interesting point you raised here bro.

What about the reference to S.409 of the Penal Code and whether all the elements had been satisfied as reported in today's ST?

Interesting Chao Hick Ting raised this issue. It is possible he may be referring to some of the minor members in the whole thing like Serina, Sharon and John Lam - these were "merely" following instructions to a person they have respected and followed.

Clearly, I do not think he is pointing to the figurehead Kong Hee.

 

[RandomNexus]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

The disgusting way in which these top church folks use the church funds to enrich their lives and flaunt them is terrible. Look at Sun Ho's lifestyle together with Kong Hee - living the ostentatious life. Donors to their personal ministry funds now know the hundreds of thousands spent in a lifestyle that was not declared - the salaries that go to hundreds of thousands and spending on all sorts of stuff beyond the reach of the a common lay person.

City Harvest is one church that does church building fund raising practically every year milking its members.

I am only surprised that the church attendance does not go down more dramatically than it should. May these people still there wake up and look carefully.

 

[bodycells]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

By the way, confirm how many years in jail already?

 

[BritExit]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

If you need to wait hours for a plate of chicken rice, I rather have wanton mee!

 

[gongkia]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

If you queue at hawker centers for a piece of soya sauced chicken, are you brainwashed and delusional too?

You will get a plate of M-1 star chicken rice for real. But if you are a CHC gong kia queuing outside high courts what will you get?

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

You will get a plate of M-1 star chicken rice for real. But if you are a CHC gong kia queuing outside high courts what will you get?

china wine for $6.9.

 

[Semaj2357]

Re: Wow! So many CHC gong kias queuing outside high court! Brainwashed and delusional

They misappropriated another S$26 million to cover up the first amount so auditors would not find out. This S$26 million was "obtained through external loans", and not through any plans the six put in place to ensure no church monies would be lost, Deputy Public Prosecutor Christopher Ong told the court.

DPP Ong also pointed out the trial judge had found "Kong Hee had benefitted indirectly, because his wife Sun Ho was the direct beneficiary of the sham investments".

in mitigation, their lawyers are saying that the defendants did not cause any losses to chc (via means of round tripping) - but since the crossover project and the amount of monies that were expended with the intention in trying to develop a sunwhore into a sunwhitney flopped, isn't this considered a loss to chc in terms of the donations made by their members?
and the main beneficiaries, albeit temporary during the process, were both husband and wife in the airfare, accom aspects etc with the minor players abetting them in this "loss / lost" cause