Worth Helping?

[jw5]

We should help fellow citizens who are needy and worthy of help.
But there are some people we should think long and hard before helping.
I'm going to list a few examples, please give your comments and opinions whether you agree or disagree and any other examples.

The first is the case of the prc woman who died in the swimming pool of a man's house.
Her family came to SG and their bereavement was reported in the newspapers.
Subsequently, some people made donations, which were collected and given to the family.
I'm not saying that we should not have compassion for the family for this tragedy that has happened. But I don't think people should have donated to them.
Firstly, there are lots of families and individuals in need in SG. Why don't we help these people first? These people fell sick and suffered accidents or other calamities or tragedies through a twist of fate in their lives. They and their family members didn't make private arrangements with a rich man to go to his house to spend the night and subsequently died in the swimming pool of his luxurious house.
Secondly, the person who should be accountable and made to bear the compensation or cost of this tragedy should be the rich man. Even if he is not subject to any criminal or civil liability by law or was not responsible for the tragedy, it was his actions beforehand that contributed to it. Unfortunate and tragic it may be, but it happened. Let him be accountable, let him step forward and compensate the family as both parties see fit. The public by donating to the family, are actually helping to cushion the blow of this tragedy and reduce the accountability.

 

[jw5]

The second case are foreign beggars.
Some of them are very sad cases, missing an arm or a leg, and we should have compassion for them.
But before we donate to them, we should ask ourselves this question.
"Why are they here?"
If it is clarified that a foreign beggar was working here, and he suffered an accident, and perhaps he was subsequently abandoned by an unscrupulous employer, we should certainly donate to help him. The authorities should also be notified for him to receive compensation and the errant employer dealt with.
But what if these beggars came here from foreign lands with the intention to beg? They already had their disabilities before they came here. Obviously, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he didn't come here on his own and that there must be some form of syndicate behind this.
Are there people worth helping?

 

[jw5]

The third case is a real encounter I had while walking on the streets.

An elderly woman (in her 60s or 70s) came up to me and asked me to give her $2. While I was waiting for the traffic light to change earlier, I had already noticed her asking others. Hence it was not only $2 she sought.
I asked her what she wanted the money for. She claimed that she wanted to have her lunch. Ok, so she was either planning for the whole month's lunch, or she was planning to have lunch at a hotel.

Feeling cheeky, I asked her whether she supported pap. She replied that LKY is a hero and Singapore would be nowhere without the pap. "So where are you now?" I thought to myself. Of course, I couldn't be sure whether she really thought so or perhaps she was just saying that because she thought I was a supporter. I decided to take her at face value. I told her that since she thought they were so great, she should go and ask them for money, and walked away.
She looked stunned but later, I saw her asking others for money again.

Some of you may say that I lack compassion or that I was mean, but do you think she is worth helping?

 

[jw5]

The fourth case are locals who beg or sell tissue paper at exorbitant prices.
I am sympathetic to most of these cases, and would generally donate or buy. But I would again like to highlight cases that are in my opinion, not worth helping.

There is a beggar I see quite often. He appears to be blind, there is a white cane beside where he sits, he also claims to have lung and heart problems. My guess is that he is a local.
Once, I saw a primary schoolboy walking past him. The boy stopped, took out $2 from his wallet and went back to the beggar and dropped it in his collection tin. I nearly stopped him, but didn't in the end. Wouldn't want to belittle his compassionate act or reduce his empathy and compassion for others, for the really needy and not this scammer.

Why do I say that this guy is a scammer?
I have seen him several times walking towards his "place of begging". Walking with a female companion, not using the cane but holding it. Stops for a smoke, perhaps nobody told him that smoking is bad for people with heart and lung problems. Nobody told him that a white cane is for the blind to find their way about, not as an ornament. There was once I saw him looking at his handphone while sitting at his place of begging. I wonder how a blind man can read an sms.

 

[po2wq]

... An elderly woman (in her 60s or 70s) came up to me and asked me to give her $2. ... She claimed that she wanted to have her lunch. ...

tis kind ... nex time, go 2 nearby provision shop, buy a bread n pass 2 her ... tel her 'here's ur lunch' n watch her facial reaction ... ask her enuff 4 lunch anot? if not enuff, can buy her sum mor bread! ... :p

tink she'll change her story immediately ...

 

[krafty]

you can call me a "tua la la", whoever asked for help, I will not hesitate. I am not a saint but if someone opened mouth and ask for help, I think he/she must be quite desperate.
I am not rich but i think if I can help others within my means,why not?

 

[makapaaa]

The evening daily also leeported that she made $1k per night as a whore.Those who donated to her family are really saying that they are OK with FTrash being imported by the FAPee TRAITORS as whores.

 

[jw5]

tis kind ... nex time, go 2 nearby provision shop, buy a bread n pass 2 her ... tel her 'here's ur lunch' n watch her facial reaction ... ask her enuff 4 lunch anot? if not enuff, can buy her sum mor bread! ... :p

tink she'll change her story immediately ...

I forgot to mention, that before I asked her the pappy question, I offered to buy her lunch at a nearby foodcourt, since I was on my way there as well. She declined, insisting on getting $2. My guess is that having lunch would probably waste her time which could be put to better use asking ordinary passers-by for $2.

 

[jw5]

you can call me a "tua la la", whoever asked for help, I will not hesitate. I am not a saint but if someone opened mouth and ask for help, I think he/she must be quite desperate.
I am not rich but i think if I can help others within my means,why not?

Have you ever considered that they might be scamming you, and that if they succeed, that would encourage them to continue scamming others?

 

[jw5]

The evening daily also leeported that she made $1k per night as a whore.Those who donated to her family are really saying that they are OK with FTrash being imported by the FAPee TRAITORS as whores.

Those who donated to the family should be asking themselves why they donated to this family and not to the many singaporean individuals and families who need help. Do they donate to those who make the most noise?
Perhaps we should not judge what she did in her own private time when she was alive, but we can certainly ask why this case has become a social issue which incurred social cost, when it was clearly the result of a very private arrangement between the prc woman and a rich man?

 

[cooleo]

Feeling cheeky, I asked her whether she supported pap. She replied that LKY is a hero and Singapore would be nowhere without the pap. "So where are you now?" I thought to myself. Of course, I couldn't be sure whether she really thought so or perhaps she was just saying that because she thought I was a supporter. I decided to take her at face value. I told her that since she thought they were so great, she should go and ask them for money, and walked away.
She looked stunned but later, I saw her asking others for money again.

Some of you may say that I lack compassion or that I was mean, but do you think she is worth helping?

Aiya don't want to help don't knn ask whether she support LKY or not la. Lanjiao la you! Are u saying that if opposition take over Singapore then no poor people?!

Makes no sense man. Sometimes ppl here just oppose for the sake of opposing. :oIo:

 

[elephanto]

Aiya don't want to help don't knn ask whether she support LKY or not la. Lanjiao la you! Are u saying that if opposition take over Singapore then no poor people?!

Makes no sense man. Sometimes ppl here just oppose for the sake of opposing. :oIo:

Up you, cooleo, this jw5 have been starting a whole series of such threads - probably through contemplating on his navel too much.....

You made a fair & courageous stand in spite of being political incorrect ...

 

[chuckyworld]

You want to help just do it.

Charity work is blind to colour or creed.

 

[cooleo]

Up you, cooleo, this jw5 have been starting a whole series of such threads - probably through contemplating on his navel too much.....

You made a fair & courageous stand in spite of being political incorrect ...

Wow...if i didn't know better, i will think u por my lumpar. But nonetheless, this forum can be quite full of shit. So once in a while, need to show my brand of 'courtesy' to a select few.

 

[lolabunny]

We should help fellow citizens who are needy and worthy of help.
But there are some people we should think long and hard before helping.
I'm going to list a few examples, please give your comments and opinions whether you agree or disagree and any other examples.

The first is the case of the prc woman who died in the swimming pool of a man's house.
Her family came to SG and their bereavement was reported in the newspapers.
Subsequently, some people made donations, which were collected and given to the family.
I'm not saying that we should not have compassion for the family for this tragedy that has happened. But I don't think people should have donated to them.
Firstly, there are lots of families and individuals in need in SG. Why don't we help these people first? These people fell sick and suffered accidents or other calamities or tragedies through a twist of fate in their lives. They and their family members didn't make private arrangements with a rich man to go to his house to spend the night and subsequently died in the swimming pool of his luxurious house.
Secondly, the person who should be accountable and made to bear the compensation or cost of this tragedy should be the rich man. Even if he is not subject to any criminal or civil liability by law or was not responsible for the tragedy, it was his actions beforehand that contributed to it. Unfortunate and tragic it may be, but it happened. Let him be accountable, let him step forward and compensate the family as both parties see fit. The public by donating to the family, are actually helping to cushion the blow of this tragedy and reduce the accountability.

You know you sound very right on paper, but you are talking about the intellectual ideal of why we help people.

But as human beings, that's not why we help people. I think sometimes, we help people out of pure compassion and the motivation can be very emotional.

Perhaps it's because I'm a woman so I think like that. But I also like to think that I'm a fellow being who help people because I feel for their need.

I'll give you examples of how I help or don't help people.

Once I gave $2 to this guy who sell tissue paper at Newton hawker centre. He's the white bearded Indian guy who isn't that old actually. Later I saw him drinking beer. I walked up to him and made him say sorry to me. I scolded him for drinking beer with my money. See this guy wasted my hard earned money on something as stupid as beer. I'd understand if he was hungry. I told him that he makes lots of money and yes, he returned me my $2. He was ashamed of himself.

Still, I do give to old people selling tissue, unless they look like they are smokers and drinkers. I also give to the beggars that other people don't give to. So if tissue sellers come up to me, I usually try to buy from those whom others won't buy from.

I think it's high handed that you ask people about their political beliefs before you give them money. If you don't want to give, don't give.

Giving in kind is good. I do that. I buy old people food at obscure hawker centres where the tissue sales are likely to be dismal. I don't do that at crowded ones because they've got real "business" to do.

 

[lolabunny]

I forgot to mention, that before I asked her the pappy question, I offered to buy her lunch at a nearby foodcourt, since I was on my way there as well. She declined, insisting on getting $2. My guess is that having lunch would probably waste her time which could be put to better use asking ordinary passers-by for $2.

Kudos to you doing that. But yeah, when it's peak hours, the crowds can be "lucrative".

The sad thing about giving to beggars all these years is that I realized that many of them smoke. It's like an industrial standard.

What to do, we are ransomed by compassion. I practice saying no at peak hours, but at off peak hours, i tend to say no less.

Before the economic downturn, I've never said no to beggars. Ever. I used to not take taxis and take bus just to give money to beggars. I could even memorize where each beggar would be at Orchard Road.

But I got really peeved after I saw a beggar smoke. My money gone up in smoke! AAAH!! :(

I think it's like being conned by FL. If a guy got conned before, he's less likely to trust women. So is this the point of this thread?

 

[elephanto]

Wow...if i didn't know better, i will think u por my lumpar. But nonetheless, this forum can be quite full of shit. So once in a while, need to show my brand of 'courtesy' to a select few.

knn one thing is one thing, another thing is another thing...
some fracas a lot of heat no malice, some very civil but very poisonous one..

anyway, right i say, not right i also say ...
as for you lumpar, they are not for por-ing, more for squeezing LOL !

anyway, jw5 may be trying to make forum interesting with his many observations like the strange phenomenon of reading ST to show status symbol by some & where to find good men etc .... others mdm tang will complain for 3rd time sbf veri quiet leow ....

 

[Spock]

Aiya don't want to help don't knn ask whether she support LKY or not la. Lanjiao la you! Are u saying that if opposition take over Singapore then no poor people?!

Makes no sense man. Sometimes ppl here just oppose for the sake of opposing. :oIo:

Ssssshhhh. jw5 is the village idiot in this forum, though of course, he is by no means the only one. Everyone knows about it but is happy for him to continue in this role.

 

[jw5]

Ssssshhhh. jw5 is the village idiot in this forum, though of course, he is by no means the only one. Everyone knows about it but is happy for him to continue in this role.

What is your definition of village idiot?
Someone whom you disagree with?
Or someone who tries to write about observations and opinions, rather than simply copy newspaper reports, curse or criticize someone else, or hijack someone else's thread and pass sarcastic and rude comments?
If you are such a wiseman, why don't you start a few threads on some interesting topics?
I have been in sammyboy's forums since 1999 during delphi days and have been using the same nick all this while and you are the first wiseass who has called me an idiot. I guess it takes one to know one, right wiseass?

 

[Cestbon]

If you make it this way. Do we need to donate to NKF/Renci/what ever charity in TV show?