Wong Kan Seng said cake now bigger for opposition

[suicidalpap]

The exchange between DPM Wong and Mr Low
Wong Kan Seng: What the PAP is trying to do in this situation is not to have its cake and eat it. We're trying to make the cake bigger and give you a piece of it.
MP Low Thia Khiang: But don't forget your cake remains the same, because the elected members remain the same number. What you're trying to do is probably add some dressing, but the Workers' Party (WP) doesn't need that.

Mr Wong: No, we don't need the WP here to be the wallflower. The question is very simple: Is the WP going to take up the (NCMP) seats if we don't have enough (elected) Opposition members?

Mr Low: That's not a system which we will entrench as a political system, but in reality, this is the situation we have to face. It's the same as us opposing the GRC system; it doesn't mean that we don't campaign in the GRC.

Mr Wong: Mr Low can easily refuse to take up the seat, if unfortunately he happens to be - and we welcome his presence here - one of the best losing candidates.

Mr Low: I won't take up an NCMP seat ... That's the difference between the party and myself as a person ... And if my party insists I take it up, I probably will have to resign, that's all.

Mr Wong: Now we can understand Mr Low better. He's trying to open a back door.

 

[cooleo]

>>What you're trying to do is probably add some dressing, but the Workers' Party (WP) doesn't need that.<<

Haha...calling a spade a spade.

 

[johnny333]

The exchange between DPM Wong and Mr Low
Wong Kan Seng: What the PAP is trying to do in this situation is not to have its cake and eat it. We're trying to make the cake bigger and give you a piece of it.

The extra & redundant positions of MM & SM, I think the PAP has too much of the cake already

 

[suicidalpap]

The extra & redundant positions of MM & SM, I think the PAP has too much of the cake already

Wong was given a bigger cake when Mas Selamat escaped.

 

[Brightkid]

Wong was given a bigger cake when Mas Selamat escaped.

Yeh, and he had it striaght into his face. But being thick hides as he has, he treat it like nothing had happened.

The next move is up to the voters, I guess ?

 

[suicidalpap]

Yeh, and he had it striaght into his face. But being thick hides as he has, he treat it like nothing had happened.

The next move is up to the voters, I guess ?

This is probably the last chance to vote out FAP, otherwise Singapore will become a big piece of cake that only the greedy bastards are entitled to devour.

 

[Sideswipe]

You can't expect LTK to serve as a NCMP after being an elected MP for 20 years. It's too embarrassing for him.

 

[oli9]

Using the CAKE analogy is really stupid esp coming from an intelligent minister like WKS. What makes him think that the public wants to eat the PAP cake all the time? Some of us, I would say most of us, wants some different palate. Why cant we have Prata or Rojak? Why must we have THe CAKE, be it big or small?

 

[saratogas]

It already cost the garment $1.5 million per month for MPs salary, more MPs will cost more $$$. Do we really need so many MPs to debate? Since every motion is passed without challenge. More jiat liao bees for what. Where is the PRODUCTIVITY!

 

[Sideswipe]

It already cost the garment $1.5 million per month for MPs salary, more MPs will cost more $$$. Do we really need so many MPs to debate? Since every motion is passed without challenge. More jiat liao bees for what. Where is the PRODUCTIVITY!

our MPs are the peoples representatives.

maybe we should have 100K voters per constituency for 1 MP. That should reduce the size of parliament by at least 1/3.

 

[gone4good]

Singapore is such a small island and we divided it into more than 80 parts governed by 80+ MPs or so called people representative. I would say this is inefficient and incompetency at its best. Do we REALLY need so many MP to represent us. And if so, have we REALLY felt their presence and seen them working hard to SERVE us. If answers is NO, then it can only mean that this system is ineffective and merely a gimmick to benefits a small minority of stakeholders.

 

[Watchman]

It already cost the garment $1.5 million per month for MPs salary, more MPs will cost more $$$. Do we really need so many MPs to debate? Since every motion is passed without challenge. More jiat liao bees for what. Where is the PRODUCTIVITY!

Every Singaporeans agree with you .

 

[Ramseth]

You can't expect LTK to serve as a NCMP after being an elected MP for 20 years. It's too embarrassing for him.

There may be more implication than mere embarrassment of demotion. There's no precedent in this case so I'm just conjecturing. An MP who served two full terms is eligible for pension. Pension system is always based on last drawn pay, not necessarily the highest drawn pay.

 

[po2wq]

Wong Kan Seng said cake now bigger for opposition ...

oh! ... can now gif him a bigger kick! ...

 

[Teo Kok Eng]

Who says SInkies lacking in creativity

 

[Ramseth]

Mr Wong: Now we can understand Mr Low better. He's trying to open a back door.

WKS himself better secure his front door while keeping his back door open too. KJ is coming for him.

 

[elephanto]

From the brief exchange between Wong Kan Seng & Low Thia Kiang, you can see :-

(1) although English is not his 1st language, Low Thia Kiang has a quick mind & is nimble in his response;

(2) Wong Kan Seng may not speak accented English, but he is always composed - showing he has 'the bottle' in spite of his puny frame. Quick on the take & sharp in his retort, no wonder he is DPM in addition to being related to the Lees through marriage (married one of the Old man's nieces i think)

Chiam stayed out of the debate .... interestingly.
At least, he did not play a 'Praise, Echo, Parrot' role, as advanced by a certain CVN.

 

[ChaoPappyPoodle]

Mr Low should have said : I have fought a single seat election in four GEs and won each and every one. Mr Wong, have you ever fought in a single seat GE and how often have you done it? How many of the MPs here have actually fought in an election and won? Once? Twice? How many?

This NCMP and NMP is nothing more than a shambles just like the GRC. What this does is to show the PAP to continually change the rules of the game to suit their needs and NOT the wants and needs of the people.

So. How many here today have fought in a single seat ward and won? And how many times have you won?

If we look in terms of percentages, the PAP has brought in many MPs who have not actually been voted in by the people. This is PAP democracy. This is PAP's way of earning a mandate.

I say, let's stop this smokescreen and self-promotion. Let's do away with undemocratic practices once and for all.

Will Mr Wong dare to fight in a single seat ward in the next GE?

 

[Perspective]

There may be more implication than mere embarrassment of demotion. There's no precedent in this case so I'm just conjecturing. An MP who served two full terms is eligible for pension. Pension system is always based on last drawn pay, not necessarily the highest drawn pay.

Interesting point. However, NCMPs are not entitled to pension. Hence, he might get his pension upon losing/stepping down as elected MP, whether he becomes NCMP or not.

 

[Perspective]

Chiam stayed out of the debate .... interestingly.
At least, he did not play a 'Praise, Echo, Parrot' role, as advanced by a certain CVN.
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I'm just wondering how Chiam voted, because the MSM stated 74 versus 1 and no mention of abstain. The 1 is presumed to be LTK as Sylvia Lim mentioned that he will vote "no". There are 83 MPs eligible to vote (NMP and NCMP cannot vote). But then again most likely Chiam had already left during voting time.