Why is racism necessary?

[Nice-Gook]

[FONT=&amp]Ok,we are all racist to begin with.Why?Because it is the cheapest form of self glorification.Association by birth.Why than it’s an evil?Because racism is a racial pride gone amok…..a sort of mob mentality without any validity.That’s why.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Which begets the question of logic in racism; if the above applies. Is racism than a gang bang thingy and nothing individualistic?Oh yes,it’s very much personal but we rather call it bigotry.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]I shall not beat around the bush.I raised this subject simply because sometimes ago I raised a red flag for some forummer not to be let by the nose.That precisely what had happened.I don’t blame him because anyone with a pinch of self respect cannot side step being constantly and continuously racially abused.Alas !

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]But the question is why reort to such organized racial taunts?Because race plays an important role in galvanizing vote banks.Yes,folks racism is orchestrated for political gains.Even in US.Because Obama,as a black,did not cut any ice in the Southern Christian belt.

[/FONT] · Okie what than racism in this forum or elsewhere has to do with Singapore?Very much indeed.Ever wondered why David Marshall,who can out talk and outperform LKY anytime or anywhere quit politics?Or a young baba lawyer need eone Ong Eng Guan,a hokkien specialist as his crutches?Because Singapore being overwhelmingly Chinese cannot accept anybody less than a ‘pure’ Chinese.A lesson that PAP learnt early.

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[Nice-Gook]

Therefore,it is not surprising that is the hard truth which PAP applies in every sg forums; free or otherwise.For which let’s take the monicker of “Kojakbt” as a case study.Kojakbt andJah_rastafar made their debut in the old sammyboy hosted by Delphi almost at the same time.Kojakbt began it’s life as a racist.Their modus operandi is quite simple.Keep throwing stones,I mean racist stones.Surely some one will be hit among the hundreds thrown.The response is exactly what they were waiting for.Soon a racial war starts……worse,all innocent bystanders would get drag in too.Because if abusive kelings are replied as derogatory chinks than it’s only a question of time one must take side.Because such sewerage languages goes back to your roots—your father,mother and so on.Hence spectators becomes participants.Exactly the same scenario in any racial riot.A few ignite the fire and soon the whole community is engulfed.Mayhem follows.Who gains at the end of the day?Politicians lah.Because now voters will vote on racial basis……So,do you folks see the big picture why racism is importance for politicking.

Now,where does such monikers as Kojakbt and Jah_rastafa[FONT=&amp]r figure in such scenarios?Simple,Kojakbt caused the demise of Temasek Review.A social media that was giving PAP nightmares.

[/FONT]Which begets the question since TR was gone for good why the need for a ….Jah_rastafar[FONT=&amp]?Come on, cant you see where does all this racism leads too?Let me explain,PAP’s biggest political hot potato is this foreigners first thingy.Every other shit revolves around this PAP initiated flood of foreigners invading our privacy.How to make that palatable to you?

[/FONT] · Racism lah.By invoking racism than Chinese has to side Chinese regardless if he is Ah Tiong from an unknown village in China.Than the Ah nehs are forced to respond.Or forced to close ranks with Indians from India.Soon the foreigners vs locals line blurs.The race reign supreme.Back to square one for PAP.


· Folk,all these resident racists are PAP dogs lar.

 

[Ramseth]

Racism is not only necessary, but entailed by the distinction of races.

 

[Sideswipe]

[FONT=&amp]Ok,we are all racist to begin
Because race plays an important role in galvanizing vote banks.Yes, folks racism is orchestrated for political gains.Even in US.Because Obama,as a black,did not cut any ice in the Southern Christian belt.

all major US exit polls showed 96% to 97% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008, an increase of 5% from the usual 90% to 91% who usually voted for the Democrats. those extra 5% simply voted for Obama because he was black.

yes, we are all racist in one way or another.

 

[psy83]

The statement "We are all racist" doesnt make sense, It has been repeated over and over again in sg(I have never heard that statement outside of Singapore b4 be it thru articles, forums, verbal but i somehow always hear that statement in Sg) and somehow people take it as the truth. I beg to defer not everyone is a racist inside.

 

[psy83]

all major US exit polls showed 96% to 97% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008, an increase of 5% from the usual 90% to 91% who usually voted for the Democrats. those extra 5% simply voted for Obama because he was black.

yes, we are all racist in one way or another.

You have to understand that blacks voting for Obama was more of a statement, Blacks we know have been victims of slavery and racism for hundreds of years, The "When will America have a black president" has been talked about for decades, Blacks has been fundamental to the American civilization from the very start. It was more of a healing of racial wounds from the past and many blacks/whites voted for Obama was they were hoping that by doing so Obama would bring about equal rights to the Black Americans which we all know is still being discriminated when looking for Jobs etc and racism on blacks is still being Institutionalize. Why would they vote for a white guy over a black guy if they are still being discriminated?

Racism will lead to Racism.. Like for me for example, Between 5 of my closes friends 2 are Chinese... I have never ever thought about discriminating( for example..A chinese and Indian arguing..I would go against the one who is in wrong regardless of his skin color and have always been like that, I never give advantage or privilege to anyone ever just because he is the same race/religion as me..I simply give it to who i think deserves it the most) or spurting racist words, The only time i do it is in this forum, Honestly. Dont expect me to sit back and say ah Cool this is how I am, My mother is , My father is, My sister is, My grandmother is.. Fuck that.. Im going to fight fire with fire. To think that it would be a one sided affair.. No fucking way..I will fight back.. This is what i mean that Racism will lead to Racism. Outside im not like that but here in this forum im blown away by the racism and its the first time that im Stereotyping and spurting racism.(Dont come and say that im Senstive, Me and my mates stereotype each other all the time, We like teasing but we all know that we dont mean it, Just for the shits & giggles, But here the stereotyping is defiantly not for shits and giggles its pure racism) I have never in my life been subjected to racism and I was shocked when i got here, I was somehow being told that I stink, My parents stink, im a drunk and a coward..Wow i dint know all this. It makes me see things different and im now starting to see the Chinese population suspiciously. This how it will lead to our society eroding. One day when shit pops up in on this island, the mentality of ww2 would resurface, each race didnt bother about the other and everyone minded their own business..Its issues like this that makes me move away from things like politics etc Immigration.. Tell me now.. Why would i care if this place is flooded with Pinoys and Indians? Why must i care about Sinkies jobs being replaced? Get what I trying to get to? This is one reason why the Malay community is not interested in politics, For what?

The issue is the older generations who are very responsible for all this bigotry and Stereotyping(Those age closes to late 30s and above), This older generation has defiantly come up with lots of unhealthy ideology that they pass to their children and grand-children. The new batch of Sinkies are moving away from all this racism, The Gen Y mentality and character isnt the same as their parents and grand-parents.. Which is very noticeable etc.. Different race hanging out together and being best friends and have relationships with different races(Like me for an example, I belong to Gen Y) Singapore will get better and the new generation of SInkies would bring about this change, As for the old timers inc. those here... A good start would be not to pass your bigotry and narrow minded views to the younger generation.

Gen Y will lead the Change in both Politics and Way of Life in Singapore.

Times have changed and deep down inside you know it.

As for me, I think that Things like this happening would only benefit my character and it makes me more open minded and stronger.

 

[Nice-Gook]

Are we not racist?....I mean most of us.But first the question of definition.Or simply put what does being a racist means to one.

Let's take the Japanese for example.Overtly polite and invertly polished.But scratch them and racism rears it's ugly heads.Their form of racism does not go to the gutter level of sewerage language as Jah_rastafar does.But all their psyche and any other actions considers say Chinese as sub human......Same goes to the Caucasian race too.

And if you really want to stare at racism raw than India is the right place.No offence meant.Everything that an Indian from India does is dictated by his birth.

 

[scroobal]

The whites in the US take up 72% and the blacks close to 13%. The swing of blacks voters is about 0.6% of total.

Obama would not have not seen light of day in the White House if the Whites and others did not back him. The white votes were more crucial than any other race. It is simple mathematics. Singapore has a similar divide when it comes to Chinese and Malays.

I told you before about this habit of yours. People here might not be familiar with this topic and when you make a statement, it best to provide context. If you say the Great Wall was built by the Chinese to keep the Mongol Hordes at bay amongst other invaders, no need to provide context because it is a historical fact. Unless you say that recent discovery of scrolls suggest otherwise and provide the evidence.

People who have this habit either want to slant their perception or have an internal bias to make a point and can't help themselves.

all major US exit polls showed 96% to 97% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008, an increase of 5% from the usual 90% to 91% who usually voted for the Democrats. those extra 5% simply voted for Obama because he was black.

yes, we are all racist in one way or another.

 

[Nice-Gook]

[FONT=&amp]Black votes cant put Obama in the oval office.But that didn't change the political reality that Black and Hispanic voters still provided the
decisive edge for Obama in key primary state wins. [/FONT]Besides [FONT=&amp]Over 90 % of black voters will cast a reflexive – that means no real thought
involved – vote for Obama[/FONT].Here are the statistics.

[FONT=&amp]Total population : 300 millions
White: 200 millions (67%)
Black: 41 millions (13%)
Latinos: 43 millions (14%)
Asian : 13 millions ( 4%)
Others : [/FONT]3 millions

Out of which 132.6 millions voted in 2008 presidential election which is about 56.8% of turnout of voting-age
population.So the question here is Obama did not overwhelmingly won the White votes but it’s McCain who failed to get sufficient White votes with dumbfucks like Sarah Palin as his sidekick.

 

[jw5]

Racism is never necessary.
There are generally 4 broad categories of behaviour.

1. Those who exhibit racist traits. Anyone of any race can exhibit racist traits, they don't have to be in the majority race. Sometimes, it's more interesting to know why someone is racist and not so much what he says or does anymore.

2. Those who are not inherently racists but are "race conscious'. Again, anyone of any race can exhibit this trait.
In a public forum with annonymous members, chaps who are not race conscious, generally only reveal their race over a period of time via posting about their preferences or specific topics whereby they reveal something.

3. Those who exhibit neither of the above, but have certain biases about any particular race (possibly including their own), either through obsevation of behaviour, news reports, specific incidents they encountered or other influences.

4. Those who are not racists, race conscious and have no biases at all. These tend to be either intelligent and objective chaps OR ignorant and apathetic chaps. :o

 

[Kohliantye]

If you say the Great Wall was built by the Chinese to keep the Mongol Hordes at bay amongst other invaders, no need to provide context because it is a historical fact. Unless you say that recent discovery of scrolls suggest otherwise and provide the evidence.

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Talking about racialism and what not.
May I know the real reason why the fenced wall was built behind Pulau Ubin (fronting Nordins Beach). Was it designed to keep Malayan jumbos (elephants) from coming into the island or was it to keep "Malaysian hordes" from invading the island?
Who knows that in a thousand years from now "scrolls" would indeed be found somewhere in Kg Chek Jawa and they may present the true answers to our future generations.

 

[scroobal]

Very nicely argued and categorised. My guess is that it has a strong correlation to upbringing and parental influence.

Racism is never necessary.There are generally 4 broad categories of behaviour.1. Those who exhibit racist traits. Anyone of any race can exhibit racist traits, they don't have to be in the majority race. Sometimes, it's more interesting to know why someone is racist and not so much what he says or does anymore.2. Those who are not inherently racists but are "race conscious'. Again, anyone of any race can exhibit this trait.In a public forum with annonymous members, chaps who are not race conscious, generally only reveal their race over a period of time via posting about their preferences or specific topics whereby they reveal something.3. Those who exhibit neither of the above, but have certain biases about any particular race (possibly including their own), either through obsevation of behaviour, news reports, specific incidents they encountered or other influences.4. Those who are not racists, race conscious and have no biases at all. These tend to be either intelligent and objective chaps OR ignorant and apathetic chaps. :o

 

[scroobal]

Did not know about the wall. I wonder why. Could be reclamation related?

Talking about racialism and what not.May I know the real reason why the fenced wall was built behind Pulau Ubin (fronting Nordins Beach). Was it designed to keep Malayan jumbos (elephants) from coming into the island or was it to keep "Malaysian hordes" from invading the island?Who knows that in a thousand years from now "scrolls" would indeed be found somewhere in Kg Chek Jawa and they may present the true answers to our future generations.

 

[jw5]

Very nicely argued and categorised. My guess is that it has a strong correlation to upbringing and parental influence.

Could also be grandparental influence.................

 

[neddy]

Humans are naturally racists and not naturally monogamous. But society still frown on both practices.

 

[mojito]

Racism reinforces itself through a feedback loop of identification and beneficial support. When Chinese Singaporeans stop identifying themselves as Chinese, or derive minimal social or economic benefit from being ethnic Chinese, elimination of racism is not far off.

In its place however is cultural superiority. For some reasons, Americans have inflated self-worth about themselves, as do Singaporeans today.

 

[Candide]

There is an experiment I read some years ago about infant kids showing no distinct signs of discrimination and played with kids of other colours just as they did with their own "kind". These infant kids in the experiment are also at the age whereby they can distinguished colours (a separate experiment).

 

[Nice-Gook]

Racism reinforces itself through a feedback loop of identification and beneficial support. When Chinese Singaporeans stop identifying themselves as Chinese, or derive minimal social or economic benefit from being ethnic Chinese, elimination of racism is not far off.

In its place however is cultural superiority. For some reasons, Americans have inflated self-worth about themselves, as do Singaporeans today.

Well said.kudos.

But that begets more questions.Let say 5 billionaires all Sinkies,3 Chinese 1 Indian and 1 Malay get together.Will they not fraternize with other races just because each are racially proud of their origin?....what I am simply asking is are there other factors that overrides race per ce.Will their wealth be more prominent over race?Rephrased ,will they shy of a peasant stock even if it's very much his/her race?

Why am I asking.Because LKY raised publicly this issue sometimes back when his only daughter was engrossed with another race.....he said he would be concerned if his daughter was dating a black.Now,that was a period when American blacks sat on back of buses.Will he be now be concerned if his grand-daughter dates Obama type of blacks?

You see,a lot our Chinese lasses are marrying into other races.Our cabinet ministers who are ethnic Indians are a classical example....but hey !,they are ministers who drawing millions.So where and when racism is sort of compromised?

 

[Kohliantye]

You see,a lot our Chinese lasses are marrying into other races.Our cabinet ministers who are ethnic Indians are a classical example....but hey !,they are ministers who drawing millions.So where and when racism is sort of compromised?

Absolutely right.
In an intermarriage two differently raised people from two different communities with differerent thinking, prejudices, likes and dislikes, become couple united with each other and all that it represents.
Their true love, feelings, care and concern for each other makes that union even stronger. With the passage, whatever prejudices they may have had with that particular community (either wife or husband side) will surely make them realise their folly and bring them closer togather. Their presence at the religious and cultural function of each other will make the unio stronger.
Slowly, their kids appear and this little tots would spend time their growing up years with the paternal as well as the maternal sides. Hence from a tender age, these kids come to learn, respect and treasure the culture of each other (mummy and daddy) and will eventually grow up to love and respect one another. Surely there won't be any prejudices in their minds as they have tasted "the salt from both homes".
When these little kids grow up, they may also follow the foot-steps of their parents and end up with a bride or bridegroom from another community, race and culture.
Now the marriage of their parents bonded two different communities. Their raising as kids by both sides further strengthened that bond. Their ultimate marriage to someone from another community commenced a new chapter for them. When their own children come, it will be another newest chapter.
Thus, this is the best way to overcome rascism in our country. The community and government leaders here should encourage such unions. The people of Singapore should come to accept the sight of couples from different communities walking, hugging and joking togather as a common sight instead of calling them by uncalled-for names.
I am sure those of us who have courted and married different women will fully understand what I mean.

 

[bullfrog]

Don't understand this thread or the TS at all.

What do you mean, Why is racism necessary?

You mean as in Why is racism needed?

Racism is an emotional reaction. It is not a utilitarian thingy, like a hammer is necessary for a nail. In that sense, people dont need racism anymore than people need bias or prejudice.

If at all racism is necessary, it is nec in a sinister form, a Machiavellian approach to politics, where the "need" is adopted by politicians who exploits racism to divide and rule.

[FONT=&]Ok,we are all racist to begin with.Why?Because it is the cheapest form of self glorification.Association by birth.Why than it’s an evil?Because racism is a racial pride gone amok…..a sort of mob mentality without any validity.That’s why.