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Serious Why is govt so lenient on groups of cyclists?

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In the best of times, the bunching of cyclists along the roads was already a safety hazard for themselves and
others. Now, during these Covid-19 times, the press has reported that groups of them are still roaming together
in groups of ten or more.

It is time that the govt gets serious - and it is not very difficult to nab them. The extensive range of CCTV cameras
on the roads should make it relatively easy to find/fine them.
 
I have a better idea. Just get a speeding truck and run them over. Problem solved.
Only catch is getting people to scrape the roadkill off the asphalt during this period.
 
Cyclists are at low risk because they are fit and healthy so don't worry about them.

I've been going for rides with my group too. It's great to get some fresh air and lots of exercise.

Cyclists are hardly ever a safety hazard for others. The real safety hazard is the cars, trucks and buses.

You can see the carnage they cause at


The time has come to reduce the number of cars on the streets of Singapore. In fact large zones of the city should be made car free in order to make it safer for cyclists, pedestrians an other road users.

Oslo had ZERO pedestian and cyclist deaths in 2019 by adopting measures to severely restrict car use.

https://www.curbed.com/2020/1/3/21048066/oslo-vision-zero-pedestrian-cyclist-deaths
 
curbed.com

How Oslo virtually eliminated pedestrian and cyclist deaths
Alissa Walker@awalkerinLA

5-6 minutes


Imagine a city the size of Washington D.C. going an entire year without any pedestrians or cyclists being killed on its streets. That’s exactly what happened in Oslo, where officials reported this week that zero pedestrian or cyclist fatalities occurred on the city’s roads in 2019.

City data for the Norwegian capital, which has a population of about 673,000, show a dramatic reduction in traffic fatalities, from 41 deaths in 1975 to a single roadway death last year. One adult man was killed in 2019 when his vehicle struck a fence.

According to a story in the Norwegian paper Aftenposten, safety advocates are directly attributing the virtual elimination of roadway deaths to recent initiatives which have allowed fewer cars into the city’s center.

Over the last five years, the city has taken dramatic steps to reduce vehicular traffic in its downtown, including replacing nearly all on-street parking with bike lanes and sidewalks. Major streets have been closed to cars, and congestion pricing raised the fee to drive into the city center, with the goal of making most of downtown car-free by 2019.

Oslo has not only reduced the number of places where it is possible to drive, the city has also lowered the speed limit, which significantly contributes to a reduction in deaths, said Christoffer Solstad Steen of Trygg Trafikk, a national road safety organization, in an interview with Aftenposten.

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An Oslo street before and after the city’s redesign. City of Oslo

Perhaps most remarkably, no children under 15 died in roadway crashes anywhere in the country of Norway during 2019, which has a population of about 5.3 million. In the U.S., car crashes are the leading cause of death for children—about 4,000 children are killed each year in traffic collisions.

One effort cited by Steen that may have contributed to the drop in child deaths are the new “heart zones” drawn around Oslo’s schools, where officials are making physical changes to streets to protect students walking and biking to school, including closing streets to cars during school hours.

Oslo’s news comes as several U.S. cities are reckoning with 2019 figures that show a troubling increase in pedestrian and cyclist fatalities. New York City, Los Angeles, and San Francisco all had more overall traffic deaths in 2019 than in 2018.

New York City’s increase in traffic deaths in 2019 was mostly due to an increase in pedestrian and cyclist deaths. A sweeping plan to add more protected bike lanes as well as more dedicated pedestrian space was approved in late 2019.

In Los Angeles, where more than 239 people were killed on roadways in 2019, the city not only recorded an increase in overall traffic deaths this year, but also marked another year of skyrocketing pedestrian deaths—the number of people killed while on foot has increased 69 percent in five years.

San Francisco exceeded its 2018 fatality count in August of 2019, after several high-profile cyclist deaths prompted city leaders to implement a “quick-build” program that fast-tracked safety improvements.

Some U.S. cities saw glimmers of success in 2019. Washington D.C., where advocates organized a series of major rallies over the last year demanding infrastructural changes to streets, saw the first decline in roadway deaths since 2015. Chicago also saw lower traffic deaths in 2019 than in 2018.

Over the next decade, U.S. cities will start to stare down looming deadlines for their Vision Zero initiatives to eliminate traffic deaths—about 50 cities have set goals to reach zero in the next ten years. Although European cities have seen great success in reducing fatalities, results in the U.S. have been mixed, with few cities achieving sustained reductions year after year.

But some U.S. cities are now experimenting with car-free zones that somewhat mirror Oslo’s policies. New York City’s kicked cars off its hugely successful 14th Street busway and will be implementing congestion pricing to charge a fee for cars to enter Manhattan by the end of the year. Starting January 29, San Francisco’s Market Street, one of its busiest thoroughfares, will be mostly off-limits to private cars.

Progress was also uneven for Oslo in the early years after setting its own Vision Zero goal. But it’s Oslo’s car-free zones that have made the difference, Steen told Aftenposten, because overall roadway deaths haven’t reduced across Norway in recent years the way Oslo’s have plummeted.

However, Oslo hasn’t declared victory for Vision Zero just yet. City officials say that hitting the goal would mean zero roadway injuries—not just zero deaths.
“While we are making great progress, there is still a way to go to consistently keep deaths at zero for all road users,” Anders Hartmann, who works on walking and biking policy for Oslo, said on Twitter.
 
SFO is starting to ban cars from busy areas too.


sf.curbed.com

Starting Jan. 29, Market Street will ban (most) cars downtown
Adam Brinklow

3 minutes


Your next car ride down Market Street might be your last. Come January 29 the busiest sections of San Francisco’s busiest street will be closed to most civilian auto traffic—possibly forever.
City Hall touts this part of its ongoing, $604-million plan to improve the city’s centerpiece thoroughfare to eliminate traffic deaths and maximize public transit.
The plan seemed popular with most of the public when proposed last year, although a few critics fretted that the new rules could intensify gridlock on parallel streets. Nevertheless, the SF Municipal Transportation Agency board approved the plan unanimously in October.
Here’s what this means in practical terms for SF commuters:
  • The street will not eliminate vehicle traffic altogether: Muni buses, bikes, emergency vehicles, paratransit, vehicles with commercial plates, and actual taxis with city-issued medallions (but not Lyft or Uber cars) will continue using Market as they always have. Other private vehicles will still be able to use Market Street as a cross street.
  • The prohibitions extend in the eastbound lanes between Tenth Street and Main Street, and westbound between Steuart Street and Van Ness Avenue.
  • The city will add new transit-only lanes to some parts of the street and change some other lanes that previously allowed other transit operators to be Muni exclusive starting this month.
SFMTA hopes that these changes will cut down or eliminate traffic deaths on Market Street; of the ten worst intersections in the city for collisions with bikes or pedestrians, five of them are on Market Street.
The closure is also a bid to improve Muni performance, as Market Street has some 200 buses per hour at the busiest times of the day, but these busy lines often end up stalled in traffic.
Future Market Street improvements set to begin construction this year include widening the sidewalks downtown and creating the likes of plazas, performance spaces, and bike facilities along the 2.2 mile stretch singled out in the Better Market Street plan.
Among American cities, only New York City has attempted any similar experiment recently, closing a section of 14th Street in Manhattan to all but bus traffic. But as Vox notes, many European cities have set up car-free zones in busy downtowns, with general success.
 
As you can see from reports around the world the problem is not cyclists. It is cars that kill.
 
Here's a stark reminder of just how dangerous just a single car can be. No cyclist would be able to cause the same amount of carnage and death no matter how hard he/she tried.

 
An even more graphic video compilation of innocent parties losing their lives because of just one car! Never seen a cyclist cause this sort devastation.

 
Barring and hindering cars from city centres may cause businesses to move out and reduce retail turnover.
 
Barring and hindering cars from city centres may cause businesses to move out and reduce retail turnover.

That was the main argument that was used by the car lobby when other cities were planning severe restrictions on car usage downtown. However studies show that the opposite is happening. As pedestrians reclaimed the streets business actually improved.

forbes.com

Closing Central Madrid To Cars Resulted In 9.5% Boost To Retail Spending, Finds Bank Analysis
Carlton Reid

2-3 minutes


Car use was restricted in Central Madrid during the 2018/2019 Christmas period leading to a... [+] significant increase in pedestrian footfall – and spending.


Cities which want to boost takings in shops and restaurants should restrict access for motorists, a new study suggests. Madrid closed its central business district to cars for the first time during the 2018 Christmas period and an analysis informed by Spain’s second largest bank has found that, year-on-year, till transactions were significantly boosted by the measure. The closure also had another benefit: cleaner air.

Twenty million anonymized transactions were analyzed by the bank and Madrid city council, and it was discovered that the decision to limit road access to the city center by motorists led to a 9.5% increase in retail takings on Madrid’s main shopping street, the Gran Vía.

Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria – better known as BBVA – compared the 2018 takings with retail data from two previous Christmas periods, and found a 3.3% increase in spending across the whole of Madrid thanks to the restriction on car use in the central area. The study, carried out in association with the City of Madrid, measured sales between December 1, 2018 and January 7, 2019.

The City of Madrid’s imposition of a “low-emission zone” for the Christmas period led to benefits to citizens as well as shops and restaurants – there was a significant fall in air pollution during the period of the experimental motor-traffic restrictions.

According to a report in El Pais, emissions of nitrogen oxide fell by 38% in Madrid’s center the first month the program was implemented, while carbon dioxide emissions dropped by 14.2%.

The report was based on a study by the Technical University of Madrid which found that emissions also fell across the city, with NOx and CO2 emissions falling by 9% and 2%, respectively, in December.
 
I have a better idea. Just get a speeding truck and run them over. Problem solved.
Only catch is getting people to scrape the roadkill off the asphalt during this period.
Yawn... let‘s see you do it. Talk so big but no guts.
 
Are Singaporeans really blaming cyclists for accidents?

Or are they just irritated that cyclists encroach on their road space?

Logic. Cyclist cannot kill a driver in a car during a collision. But the driver can most definitely kill a cyclist when running him over. Same with pedestrians in a car park.

It is attitudes. In singapore they teach the weak and vulnerable to watch out for the big strong and powerful. If you dont ans you get run over and killed it is YOUR FAULT.

This subconsciously transfers to the psyche of someone behind the control of something big strong and powerful and he does NOT need to look out for the weak.

It doesnt work that way everywhere. In Canada the drivers have to look out for pedestrians. To the point that pedestrians are so confident of this they just walk behind cars that have the reverse signal on. They somehow assume that the driver has looked out seen them and will not run them over. And for the most part they are correct. It is a matter of trust.

Personally I dotn trust. I guess it is the sinkie upbringing in me. If i see the reverse lights i stop and I tell the car to go. Sometimes someone else is walking next to me and the dont stop. They look at me like WTF just go. So I quickly make a dash past.

It is counterintuitive this "trust".

Attitudes are not the same everywhere.
 
Are Singaporeans really blaming cyclists for accidents?

Or are they just irritated that cyclists encroach on their road space?

Logic. Cyclist cannot kill a driver in a car during a collision. But the driver can most definitely kill a cyclist when running him over. Same with pedestrians in a car park.

It is attitudes. In singapore they teach the weak and vulnerable to watch out for the big strong and powerful. If you dont ans you get run over and killed it is YOUR FAULT.

This subconsciously transfers to the psyche of someone behind the control of something big strong and powerful and he does NOT need to look out for the weak.

It doesnt work that way everywhere. In Canada the drivers have to look out for pedestrians. To the point that pedestrians are so confident of this they just walk behind cars that have the reverse signal on. They somehow assume that the driver has looked out seen them and will not run them over. And for the most part they are correct. It is a matter of trust.

Personally I dotn trust. I guess it is the sinkie upbringing in me. If i see the reverse lights i stop and I tell the car to go. Sometimes someone else is walking next to me and the dont stop. They look at me like WTF just go. So I quickly make a dash past.

It is counterintuitive this "trust".

Attitudes are not the same everywhere.
It's not just weak vs strong in the end it boils down to money.

Before I left Singapore I was in friend's Mazda 323 one day and he was held up by a cyclist along a rather narrow street. "Fuck these cyclists!" he exclaimed.

When I pointed out that cyclists are allowed to ride on the road (he didn't know I was an ardent cyclist) the next retort came.."Fuckers never pay road tax they should not be on the road!".

Since I was in his car hitching a ride I didn't want to start an argument so I held my tongue.

A short while later along the same narrow street (cars parked illegally on both sides) we met a Merc coming in the opposite direction.

"You should give way to him" I said. "Why should I?" was the expected response.

"Because he pays more road tax than you" I said.

He did not offer me a lift ever again.
 
Are Singaporeans really blaming cyclists for accidents?

Or are they just irritated that cyclists encroach on their road space?

Logic. Cyclist cannot kill a driver in a car during a collision. But the driver can most definitely kill a cyclist when running him over. Same with pedestrians in a car park.

It is attitudes. In singapore they teach the weak and vulnerable to watch out for the big strong and powerful. If you dont ans you get run over and killed it is YOUR FAULT.

This subconsciously transfers to the psyche of someone behind the control of something big strong and powerful and he does NOT need to look out for the weak.

It doesnt work that way everywhere. In Canada the drivers have to look out for pedestrians. To the point that pedestrians are so confident of this they just walk behind cars that have the reverse signal on. They somehow assume that the driver has looked out seen them and will not run them over. And for the most part they are correct. It is a matter of trust.

Personally I dotn trust. I guess it is the sinkie upbringing in me. If i see the reverse lights i stop and I tell the car to go. Sometimes someone else is walking next to me and the dont stop. They look at me like WTF just go. So I quickly make a dash past.

It is counterintuitive this "trust".

Attitudes are not the same everywhere.
Cyclists should know their place amongst the serfs and keep to the pedestrian walkways. :cool:
 
Cyclists should know their place amongst the serfs and keep to the pedestrian walkways. :cool:
I know this is not the case in Singapore but in NZ the bike ridden by the average tour de france wannabe usually costs more than the average car. :)

Road tax here is dirt cheap. The main source of taxes is GST. My bike cost $15,000. My car cost me $12,000 so I paid more taxes on my bike than my car.
 
On the pedestrian walkways the cyclist becomes the big and strong.

They feel big, strong & unfriendly when they wear their tight lycra, stupid helmet & menacing shades....and this works particularly well if you are a banana aka angmo wannabe.
 
They feel big, strong & unfriendly when they wear their tight lycra, stupid helmet & menacing shades....and this works particularly well if you are a banana aka angmo wannabe.

Ang Mohs know their rights. They are the best!
 
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