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Why do Singaporeans leave?
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The price of a COE could buy you lots of Happiness overseas ! BMW 5 series about SGD$90,000 in Australia.. drive forever !
Salaries are indexed as per CPI. Salaries will not be the same 10yrs ago.
Life's Good !
Salaries are indexed as per CPI. Salaries will not be the same 10yrs ago.
Life's Good !
Why do Singaporeans Leave?
Becos they are Quitters! They think that grass is greener on the other side... If they leave becos they hate FTs,overcrowding... they are going to the other side as FTs and causing the other side to be overcrowded too!
Becos they are Quitters! They think that grass is greener on the other side... If they leave becos they hate FTs,overcrowding... they are going to the other side as FTs and causing the other side to be overcrowded too!
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there are probably 1000 reasons why somebody wants to emigrate.
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I'll give you my reasons :
1. The PAP does a fantastic job of asset enhancement plus the MAS has a firm hold on currency exchange rates. I therefore found it extremely advantageous to cash out while the going was good. I sold my landed property for $2.4 million and moved to OZ where I bought an acre of land plus a 4 bedroom home for AUD350,000. I put the rest in the bank to earn a hefty interest rate.
2. I enjoy outdoor stuff.. cycling, boating, off road driving etc. Not enough space in Singapore and too many rules and regulations.
3. I wanted to start a porn site. If I had done that in Singapore, I would have ended up behind bars.
There's nothing wrong with the Singapore government. They do a fantastic job given the circumstances. They can only play the hand they were dealt. It is not their fault that Singapore is nothing but a piece of snot surrounded by Muslims.
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One of the reason could be overcrowding - which already was during the nineties. Now's worse. Just not one of those whose idea of a skyline is one of man-made buidlings.
Me, just want to spend my last years smoking pot and freshwater fishing. Don't enjoy city-living.
Cheers!
Sentiments, nationalism, patriotism etc are important but one should aim to do well in one's life and for the family as well. You can only do so much in Singapore so why not extend your world outside Singapore. It not just money and value of your house but the quality of life, nature, open spaces, civilised people doing civilised things. Wider opportunities for all.
People do it the various stages of lives - just after graduation, mid career, late career, and on retirement. Then there those that migrate, qualify for citizenship and come back to Singapore to enjoy the benefits of the economy with expat status for some.
The reality is that one must sit down and plan. These things just don't come about.
People do it the various stages of lives - just after graduation, mid career, late career, and on retirement. Then there those that migrate, qualify for citizenship and come back to Singapore to enjoy the benefits of the economy with expat status for some.
The reality is that one must sit down and plan. These things just don't come about.
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I do not want to be caught in a rat race, eat tasteless imported food, unable to engage in my favourite hobbies because I have no TIME.
Early Retirement is taking too long to arrive, If I need to work, I may as well work for a reason, at the salary I deserve and with the kind of perks that I always envy the expats in Singapore.
People says TIME is money. I need TIME, TIME to engage in stuff that I can only dream of in Singapore.
If you taste the kind of naturally grown free-range organic food I am eating, you will wonder what kind of shit you are eating in Singapore. The air is quite bad by my standard, the driving too stressful.
Enough, I only live life once. So, I give myself a chance. From prmary school to NS, everyone think I should migrate, so why not.
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Hey Neddy,,are u very free in Oz land?
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The grass is definitely greener on the other side. If you don't see it, sadly you have been thoroughly brainwashed by the PAP.
Where's the logic of this argument? The other side is at least 100X bigger than sinkapore. There are choices of lifestyle over there. If you don't like the crowd, move to the country side.
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It's too late to change events
It's time to face the consequence
For delivering the proof
In the policy of truth
It's time to face the consequence
For delivering the proof
In the policy of truth
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But the Australians are still kings in their own country unlike sinkees in sinkapore.
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Only because of the exchange rate.. Aus $ is still very high.. waiting for it to drop before converting more S$ into AUD$
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I am very busy. My family, garden, weekend excursions, etc need my attention.
I am on flexible work arrangement, working 3 full days per week on a JOB. There are too many dumb directors around, making my job easy. TIME is also MONEY.
The only problems are some ambitious indians plotting to promote themselves even through the work is out of their depth. Cause a lot of problems for the retiring whites who look to me to set things right.
But at least, I know my RIGHTS at work in Australia. Saying NO to bosses are fine. I am on their side politically, very important.
Regretted working so hard in Singapore in the past, in the end, the time ticked away, wasted away chasing what? Only to be retrenched!
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We are lucky that the income has increased along with high cost.
http://www.afr.com/p/national/high_wages_here_to_stay_says_hockey_W1FVjyC1o15HZVYlLQqTWN
In a speech to be delivered on Thursday, Mr Hockey in effect will rule out substantial industrial relations changes that would ease wage pressures, saying there would be no national benefit in cutting wages and that “expensive labour” is not “a bad thing’’.
“We can compete with higher wages provided our output per worker is globally competitive,’’ he will tell the Committee for Economic Development of Australia.
“Australia’s standard of living must not go backwards. There is no national benefit in cutting wages.
“What we need to do is to ensure our workers have the skills and knowledge that our industry needs. Education, training and retraining are a key step to unlock our productivity gains.’’
I hope the new migrants to Australia are doing well. My message is that Singaporeans are educated enough, just need to learn to speak up, network and play the office politics. Such skills are essential to move ahead in Australia. Singaporeans are too tame, need to toughen up to live in Australia.
Good luck!
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It is no doubt a perceived insurmountable obstacle to a Singaporean when thinking of migrating overseas.
I for one, even with a good number of years of education in Australia, found it hard to pluck myself out from Singapore and make the move back then. What convinced me to move was watching my nephews and nieces growing up to school age and seeing them put aside their childhood for the sake of their studies and not having a chance to grow and explore their lives as children.
Most disheartening of all was when my favourite niece changed from the beautiful, bubbly baby into a timid and cynical primary school girl who was saddled with all manner of after school activities just because her parent felt the proverbial need to keep up with the Joneses; tuition in Chinese and Maths, then swimming, then ballet, then piano, then drama, then choir, then tennis, then golf, and now, some new-fangled personal grooming class.
It just bugged me to no end to think, if all these were so beneficial to the child, why the hell the need for "Foreign Talents" in Singapore then? Based on the list of activities she had after school, she should be a supreme multi-tasker later in life, able to handle at least 3 separate high powered jobs, 3 high paying salaries that would solve any manpower issues the PAP is braying about!
Unfortunately, it seems like in Singapore, the force-feeding of knowledge into young minds is the order of the day, not the holistic upbringing of the potential within each child.
Clearly but sadly, the quantity of education far exceeds the need for a quality education.
So I took a risk by believing to the contrary and believed that "quality education" would have to encompass not only formal but also a "family" education.
Having seen children from far less privileged background, far less educated parents, who have succeeded in life that the Singapore newspapers commonly attribute to a fluke or "against all odds", I found that the common theme amongst these individuals was their ability to shine their inner selves and eventually attract or receive some form of mentorship that would put them into a benevolent cycle of broadening their life experiences and thus putting them in a path of becoming a more wholesome adult.
I saw that this could not be achieved in Singapore (or at least in my social circle), especially when parents on the superficial surface, heap fake praise on your kids, but only out of pure jealousy that would translate to them placing even more demands on their own kids to outdo and outperform.
A very warped concept not unlike keeping a caged bird but expecting them to sing a new tune every time it comes to show it off.
So me migrating to Australia was perhaps a risk in raising my kids as you would "kampong ayam" style; Give them the freedom to enjoy their childhood, let them blossom socially and emotionally while my role as a parent be to keep an eye and see where their talents would lie that I might then invest more time/money in.
So, instead of being the taskmaster, slavedriver or bringing my working role home as the boss to my kids, I resolved to adopt the role of shepherd, to be involved with their everyday lives enough for them to want to share their day with me and for me to listen, learn and guide them, all with the hope that they will not feel that success is demanded of them, but that success is theirs and theirs to pursue.
Yup, that's why I left Singapore, not for money, not for career, but for the love for my family and its future.
I for one, even with a good number of years of education in Australia, found it hard to pluck myself out from Singapore and make the move back then. What convinced me to move was watching my nephews and nieces growing up to school age and seeing them put aside their childhood for the sake of their studies and not having a chance to grow and explore their lives as children.
Most disheartening of all was when my favourite niece changed from the beautiful, bubbly baby into a timid and cynical primary school girl who was saddled with all manner of after school activities just because her parent felt the proverbial need to keep up with the Joneses; tuition in Chinese and Maths, then swimming, then ballet, then piano, then drama, then choir, then tennis, then golf, and now, some new-fangled personal grooming class.
It just bugged me to no end to think, if all these were so beneficial to the child, why the hell the need for "Foreign Talents" in Singapore then? Based on the list of activities she had after school, she should be a supreme multi-tasker later in life, able to handle at least 3 separate high powered jobs, 3 high paying salaries that would solve any manpower issues the PAP is braying about!
Unfortunately, it seems like in Singapore, the force-feeding of knowledge into young minds is the order of the day, not the holistic upbringing of the potential within each child.
Clearly but sadly, the quantity of education far exceeds the need for a quality education.
So I took a risk by believing to the contrary and believed that "quality education" would have to encompass not only formal but also a "family" education.
Having seen children from far less privileged background, far less educated parents, who have succeeded in life that the Singapore newspapers commonly attribute to a fluke or "against all odds", I found that the common theme amongst these individuals was their ability to shine their inner selves and eventually attract or receive some form of mentorship that would put them into a benevolent cycle of broadening their life experiences and thus putting them in a path of becoming a more wholesome adult.
I saw that this could not be achieved in Singapore (or at least in my social circle), especially when parents on the superficial surface, heap fake praise on your kids, but only out of pure jealousy that would translate to them placing even more demands on their own kids to outdo and outperform.
A very warped concept not unlike keeping a caged bird but expecting them to sing a new tune every time it comes to show it off.
So me migrating to Australia was perhaps a risk in raising my kids as you would "kampong ayam" style; Give them the freedom to enjoy their childhood, let them blossom socially and emotionally while my role as a parent be to keep an eye and see where their talents would lie that I might then invest more time/money in.
So, instead of being the taskmaster, slavedriver or bringing my working role home as the boss to my kids, I resolved to adopt the role of shepherd, to be involved with their everyday lives enough for them to want to share their day with me and for me to listen, learn and guide them, all with the hope that they will not feel that success is demanded of them, but that success is theirs and theirs to pursue.
Yup, that's why I left Singapore, not for money, not for career, but for the love for my family and its future.
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i left because sg then did not have the ecosystem and crucible for my virtuosity in a field that only silicon valley had an appreciation and need of. it wasn't sg's fault or shortcummings. it was my prerogative to be part of the best collection of brain trust anywhere and anytime in human existence.
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I left Singapore for a multitude of the usual reasons.
Kids' education: so far this has proven a definite plus - my kids are loving school here in Oz, and they are performing well, too.
Salary: have not got the dream job yet, but the current job pays more than I got in SG.
Taxes: yes, taxes are high - big chunk of salary gets cut for taxes at source, BUT, my take home pay is still higher than what I got in SG!!
Cars: waaaaay cheaper than in SG - I own 2 now (fully paid), and about to buy a 3rd car. In SG, I was on a 10year loan for a 1.5ltr car.
House: cheaper, depending on the suburb. Right now, I can't qualify for a loan yet, as insufficient credit/work history - so still waiting for a few more months before I apply to buy a house.
Politics: You can openly criticize Labor/Liberals/Greenies/Julia Gillard/Tony Abbot, etc - no ISA to come knocking on the door after midnite.
Kids' education: so far this has proven a definite plus - my kids are loving school here in Oz, and they are performing well, too.
Salary: have not got the dream job yet, but the current job pays more than I got in SG.
Taxes: yes, taxes are high - big chunk of salary gets cut for taxes at source, BUT, my take home pay is still higher than what I got in SG!!
Cars: waaaaay cheaper than in SG - I own 2 now (fully paid), and about to buy a 3rd car. In SG, I was on a 10year loan for a 1.5ltr car.
House: cheaper, depending on the suburb. Right now, I can't qualify for a loan yet, as insufficient credit/work history - so still waiting for a few more months before I apply to buy a house.
Politics: You can openly criticize Labor/Liberals/Greenies/Julia Gillard/Tony Abbot, etc - no ISA to come knocking on the door after midnite.
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