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Where are the Hamas terrorists held hostages?

Willamshakespear

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Where are the hamas terrorists held hostages?

Based upon intelligence, which comes from a variety of sources including Human information, it was:-

(A)believed that some or most were held in underground chambers of mosques, schools, hospitals, etc, which Hamas had been PROVEN to use to hide its weapons & as missile sites to slaughter innocents.

(B) It may also be possible that as there had been massed movements of Palestinians from the North to the South of Gaza Strip, those hostages may had been threateningly moved elsewhere during such times.


A)Should those hundred of hostages be held at Al Shifa Hospital, which is a clear possibility as it is large enough, there would be WITNESSES - doctors, nurses, patients, whom on the night of 7th Oct would notice such activities & WHERE those large groups were herded into. They will be a source of information, with the RIGHT inducements to talk....

A1) Al Shifa is a MODERN Hospital, which means it was built according to architectural & engineering plans. ANY MODIFICATIONS to those plans would be UPDATED - such as basements, tunnels, etc. And the Hospital would have a MAINTENANCE DEPT that has such plans held by in house engineers & servicing crews, so that they would be able to MAINTAIN the infrastructure at a moment's notice, such as electrical supply, power stations, trunking, water supply, sewerage, etc...

A2) As the Hospital is of modern construct, ANY alteration to original architectural plan such as basements & tunnels would INVOLVE engineer endorsed works, as no one else would be qualified to dig any tunnel WITHOUT causing the infrastructure to collapse. Studies would have to be made before any underground construction work is carried out, & such would be updated on the master plan, with details including WHO those contractors are, so that they may be contacted should maintenance works are needed.

A3) Such basements & underground structures which are used for illegal & atrocious means would usually be hidden from plain sight, even if the engineering plans will not hide such. However, it will just need METICULOUS SCRUTINY to find the hidden entrances - such as piping works that seem to lead to nowhere, scratches on flooring as cabinets or objects need to move often to open those doors, additional power generators beyond the needs of the hospitals with cables leading to underground sites, sewerage pipes to main drainage systems, etc.

A4) Another way to detect tunnels (CAVITIES) underground are ground water detectors, which can be from satellites to even hand held devices. Basically, it just send electromagnet waves into the ground & then measure how long the signal returns. Water, soil & air have different specific gravity & can be detected by measurements. There are many other ways as well with various other detection methods.

Thus time is needed, to SAVE LIVES. Tunnels are narrow, & at times, only one person can move at a time, & in war time, it will take more time as CAUTION is necessary.


B1) Much of the movement of the Palestinians from North to South would be captured on camera. Perhaps closer monitoring of those people in the crowd may throw up faces that may be similar to the hostages, as well as the paths that some would take that seem out of the way how others moved.

B2) Perhaps the IDF can send personnel to move around with them for anyone whom may had seen strangers in the midst, mostly would exhibit behaviors fear as they would be intimidated by undercover guards following them than resignation that most fleeing Palestinians would show.


Ultimately, it is about saving lives, not the blame games or lies spewed by terrorism lovers. It's not about saving just hostages lives, but also the Palestinian lives. The longer Hamas holds out in this senseless but criminal conflict that they had initiated which came with dire consequences, it will hurt the Palestinians too.

 
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syed putra

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You mean, hamas freedom fighters. They attacked Israel and achieved their objective. The repercussions are to be endured. Freedom is priceless. To remain under a oppressive apartheid regime is shameful.
 

Willamshakespear

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You mean, hamas freedom fighters. They attacked Israel and achieved their objective. The repercussions are to be endured. Freedom is priceless. To remain under a oppressive apartheid regime is shameful.

'Freedom fighters' ? By killing & holding innocents as hostages?

May the insignificant nobody me ask of the ignorant & twisted mind such as yours - WHAT 'Freedom' do you mean by SLAUGHTERING innocent others, whom are only concerned about putting food on the tables of their loved ones, from a mere security guard, soldier to clerks, CEOS whom provide jobs to the many?

WHO gave YOU & YOUR KIND the RIGHT to KILL, to spout LIES, twisted half truths to innocent others so that you may live? Is this the supposed FREEDOM you & your kind seek?

REST ASSURED, 7 BILLION Humankind awaits you & your kind's answer.

My advice - " do not do unto others & their loved ones what you do not want OTHERS to DO UNTO YOU, & your loved ones."

You & your kind may think yourselves SUPERIOR thru misuse of religion & twisted lies & bagages of past mistakes made by ignorant others to justify atrocities upon innocent others to fool the naive, in our present diverse World, but do not, DO NOT under-estimate 7 BILLION Humankind & the vast knowledge held by many more others, whom are of PROVEN intelligence to uplift lives for progress, prosperity & evolution, since the dawn of CIVILIZATION.

IF you & your kind have NO intention to live in harmony with the rest of Humanity, at the least, we ALL, sentient Beings sharing planet Earth, should live in Peace, based upon a mere SIMPLE law, to give a chance to innocent generations to come.
 
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syed putra

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My advice - " do not do unto others & their loved ones what you do not want OTHERS to DO UNTO YOU, & your loved ones
If the Zionist had been compassionate and respectful, it would not end up this way.
Seizing properties for zero compensation is not the solution.
 

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Understanding Hamas​




They are not like Al Qaeda or ISIS but more of militant resistant fighters against Israeli occupation forces.



However, in this wave of Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, I finally understood what is Hamas.



Earlier, Abu, the spokesman for the "Qassam Brigades", the most elite force under Hamas, spoke publicly. He said: "85% of the members of our force are orphans of the wars of the past few decades. Their parents and family members all died in the war. They have no relatives, no houses, no studies, no jobs, and no future. All they have is endless bombings and a dark and underground life. Now, these children have grown up and become our death warriors."



Indeed, there are no born terrorists in the world. These children who grew up in the ruins were all forced to become Hamas by bombs and extermination.





Qatar's Al Jazeera reported on October 25 that the station's Arabic-language Gaza bureau chief Wal. Dadouh, whose wife, son, daughter and grandson were all killed in Israeli air strikes, the president touched his 15-year-old son's face in the hospital morgue. It turned out that his son's dream was to grow up to become a reporter like his father and report Gaza to the world Live.



It is worth noting that the place where the Al Jazeera president’s family was killed was not in northern Gaza where Israel sniped at Hamas, but in a refugee camp in southern Gaza.



Israel is clearly telling Gaza civilians to leave the north and move to the south because they want to attack Hamas hiding in the north. However, when ordinary people fled to the southern refugee camps after all the hardships, the Israeli army still dropped a bomb indiscriminately. Where can the poor Palestinians find shelter?



Outside the refugee camps, hospitals were constantly bombed, killing and injuring hundreds of patients and medical staffs. Some Gaza doctors posted singing videos online. They refused to evacuate and encouraged each other with their songs. They sang: "We will be here until the pain is over." The sight of death as if it were home is really moving.



There are also videos of many Gazan children happily writing their names on the backs of their hands, bodies, and thighs. It turns out that this was done so that their families could identify their remains in the rubble after the bombing. Laughter reflects that this nation has developed a spirit that is not afraid of death. When you have nothing, you will fight back.



A Hamas general said tragically in an interview with Al Jazeera: "We in the Gaza Strip have less than 5,000 newborns every year. There is a lack of medical treatment, fresh water and basic supplies. No industry can develop. Schools have been bombed. We no longer have the next generation. In ten or twenty years, our group of people will be old and dead in the war, and the Palestinians will not even have anyone to hold weapons. Therefore, while our group of young adults are still alive, you can still hold weapons, so you have to do something.”



Major General Jin Yinan, my country's famous military expert and former professor at the Institute of Strategic Studies at the National Defense University, said of the Palestinians and Hamas: "They have nothing left but human bombs."



I am not supporting terrorism, I am just gradually understanding the so-called terrorists in the West and beginning to understand Hamas. It turns out that Hamas is not only an armed organization, but also a spirit of resistance. If you kill one Hamas, there will be thousands of Hamas, including the doctors who witnessed the massacre, the president whose family members died, and those who lost their lives. The orphans of these parents will all be forced by Israel to become a new group.
 

Willamshakespear

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There are MILLIONS if not BILLIONS OTHERS whom had it bad in life, and not just orphans, but those who lost their jobs, their savings, etc. But did they simply walk out the door & start SLAUGHTERING innocent others? No. Most simply work harder & smarter to upgrade themselves, with courage & opportunities that abound in our World, in peace, to thrive & prosper mentally, physically & financially, proven by their successes on our planet.

However, should those who presumed they got the short end of the stick in life & STARTS to kill innocents, then they WILL BE ELIMINATED. Civilization CANNOT live with monsters in our midst nor with fear. Should thousands more devils are created by the death of a monster, then thousands MORE of them WILL BE ELIMINATED. We Humanity are 7 BILLION STRONG & WILL NOT LIVE ON KNEES TO TERRORISTS.

Ultimately, it is about GOVERNANCE of country. Palestinians are NOT as poor as the author presumed. WHAT HAPPENED to the BILLION$ that had been poured into the State of Palestine each year for decades? Who is responsible for the Palestinians that had caused them to lose out in opportunities of life, even with BILLION$ given???
 
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