Your masters have changed their minds. You are fucked without masks.
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Where are all the running dogs of the PAP who say mask is not necessary?
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Nothing has changed. A proper N95 or K94 mask changed often and with eye protection will provide protection.
However the way 99% of the clowns out there wear their masks all it will do is increase the risk of infection manyfold.
The government's attitude is obviously to allow idiots to be idiots and they cannot then blame the government when they die of corona.
However the way 99% of the clowns out there wear their masks all it will do is increase the risk of infection manyfold.
The government's attitude is obviously to allow idiots to be idiots and they cannot then blame the government when they die of corona.
Why do you need mask?
Sam, the wearing of masks works if you consider that the infected is wearing the mask. Masks reduce how far those droplets go from the nose and mouths of those infected.
The thing is we know many are asymptomatic carriers. Hence asking everyone to wear something is not so much to protect people from the virus but to reduce the risk of someone spreading the virus far and wide.
Yes. If you wear a mask and got virus on your mask and you touched it and then touched your face you inadvertently make it worse.
However if everyone around you in public is wearing a mask thus preventing droplets with virus getting onto your mask then how you use your mask doesnt matter as much.
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/c...here-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71
I understand the logic behind wearing a mask to prevent those who have the virus from passing it to others. HOWEVER this does not prevent those who are carriers from touching surfaces, using ATM, using toilet, holding on to hand rails, touching utensils and so on.
The untrained mask wearers who think that masks are protecting them will then pick up the virus via their hands and then rub their eyes, dig their noses, wipe their mouths and so on. This is not my imagination. I've been observing this happening on 90% of those with masks on. I described these incidences a couple of weeks ago and nothing has changed it is still happening all the time. I see it when I go out for my exercise.
If you sneeze into a surgical mask nothing is held in. It just spews out the sides. I know because I learned from experience. I tried using a mask to protect those living with me from getting sick when I had a head cold. It did not work. The whole household was down with a head cold within a week. It's the surfaces that transmit the bugs.
Yes the masks will not work so well with sneezing.
However for normal asymptomatic carriers (which estimates have said is up to 50% of all infected) they dont sneeze or cough much. But the droplets from talking will be kept in check.
I still think there is a benefit if EVERYBODY wears a mask.
The chances of the virus actually spreading in the air or getting onto surfaces will be about the same if not lower.
It takes times to train and teach people. The message has already gone out to people about avoiding touching the face. To wash hands frequently etc.
Adding masks to be put on more people who are infected but asymptomatic will helps reduce the spread.
IF everybody followed the mask wearing procedure that healthcare workers are trained to follow it would reduce transmission somewhat. However we do not live in an ideal world. Half the population has below average intelligence.
China's coronavirus supplies are being rejected — how do we ensure quality in a pandemic?
PHOTO Several countries have reported faults with Chinese-made medical equipment imported to fight COVID-19. REUTERS VIA CNSPHOTO
China's had a rough few months.
As the emerging superpower entered 2020, a coronavirus outbreak in the industrial hub of Wuhan swept the nation, then the world, which crippled the global economy in turn.
By March, things began to slowly turn around, as China's drastic lockdown measures appear to have slowed the country's infection rates.
This has placed China in a position to supply sorely needed medical products as coronavirus has shuttered production capacity elsewhere.
Chinese state media Xinhua reported in early March that China was producing 116 million masks daily, about 12 times as many as a month prior, according to official data.
But China's efforts to help haven't gone smoothly, as several countries have reported faults with Chinese-made supplies.
This began with Spain's recall of about 58,000 inaccurate rapid COVID-19 test kits late last week, and Turkey also casting aside a number of sample test kits that were faulty.
This was then followed last Saturday by a Dutch recall of some 600,000 face masks that didn't provide an airtight seal.
So, in a time of supply scarcity during a global pandemic, how do countries ensure the medical supplies they import actually work?
How did faulty equipment get to Europe?
PHOTO All products that are sold in the EU single market must carry "CE" certification. WIKIMEDIA COMMONS
China's Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology was identified as the manufacturer of Spain's faulty test kits, which local health authorities said had an accuracy rate of about 30 per cent.
Spanish health authorities said they bought Bioeasy's kits as they had European Union standard certification, which is known by its French acronym, CE.
In a statement via WeChat, Bioeasy stated its coronavirus-related products, which include the rapid test kits supplied to Spain, received a CE certificate on March 12.
However, CE certification is mostly self-declared by manufacturers, as it is their responsibility to choose between self-certification or whether to seek an EU-approved independent verifier.
@bidatzi: The external certificate simply certifies that the company has a quality management system. The other one is just BioEasy itself *saying* that their tests comply with applicable standards.
In Australia, Bioeasy's products are not listed on the Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG), nor has the company been granted an official vendor licence from China's National Administration of Medical Products, according to a tweet from the Spanish Embassy in China.
In response, Bioeasy said its crown series was not sold in China and was "only used for scientific purposes".
Bioeasy manager Zhu Hai denied the company's test kits had a low accuracy rate in a statement to the South China Morning Post, adding that a "more detailed explanation would be given via official Chinese Government channels".
When asked to comment on the quality concerns on Monday, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Hua Chunying said "some masks" ordered by the Dutch "were not suitable for medical staff in intensive care units".
The Chinese Commerce Ministry followed up on Wednesday with a statement compelling all medical product exporters to provide extra documentation showing their products met the standards of its export destination, and were officially registered in China.
Bioeasy initially declined an interview with the ABC, but later shared a test validation report from researchers at Chile's Desarollo University, showing its Fluorescence Antigen rapid test attained 96.1 per cent diagnostic accuracy.
Are there universal standards for PPE or test kits?
PHOTO This N95 face mask is highly sought after by health systems across the globe. ABC NEWS: PATRICK STONE
Technically, there is a global mask standard from the International Standards Organisation (ISO), which outlines the test used to assess a mask's resistance to blood and bodily fluids (including that of small liquid droplets).
However, ISO has stated the test does not "address the performance of the medical face mask's design, construction, interfaces or other factors which may affect the overall protection offered by the medical face mask and its operation".
To determine whether a product is safe to use, health professionals are obligated to look at regulations in their country or at a supranational level for blocs such as the EU.
For example, the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods has a database of approved medical items for distribution, and that database is updated by the regulatory body Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA).
On its website, the TGA has specified an exemption for the "importation, manufacture and supply" of COVID-19 test kits to accredited pathology laboratories even if they haven't undergone TGA assessment, and it has also published a list of tests it has approved.
A TGA spokesperson told the ABC via email the body "encourages" all Australians searching for equipment to look at "medical devices included in the ARTG".
Ian Burgess, chief executive of the Medical Technology Association of Australia, told the ABC that Australian medical product manufacturers were "in a position of strength" to respond to COVID-19.
This is to ensure that medical-grade masks such as N95 are available for those who need them the most, such as health workers in the US, which has become the world's latest coronavirus epicentre.
New Yorkers have recently been told to wear face coverings outside of the home, while the White House is considering implementing that rule across the US.
Steve Csiszar, chief executive at Med-Con — Australia's only manufacturer of medical face masks — told the ABC it was critical for people to find masks that meet official standards, otherwise there would be "a false sense of security".
Prior to the pandemic, Med-Con's masks made up 5 per cent of Australia's domestic supply, but the military has since been drafted to ramp up production.
Mr Csiszar said Australia had lost considerable homegrown manufacturing capacity to countries with cheap labour, which has consequences if medical manufacturers cost-cut further.
PHOTO Manufacturers need to be stringent about non-contamination when putting masks together. REUTERS: UMIT BEKTAS
"Quite frankly, I'd be very dubious about any low-cost manufacturer having their products tested to standard," he said.
Additional reporting by Samuel Yang.
China's had a rough few months.
As the emerging superpower entered 2020, a coronavirus outbreak in the industrial hub of Wuhan swept the nation, then the world, which crippled the global economy in turn.
By March, things began to slowly turn around, as China's drastic lockdown measures appear to have slowed the country's infection rates.
This has placed China in a position to supply sorely needed medical products as coronavirus has shuttered production capacity elsewhere.
Chinese state media Xinhua reported in early March that China was producing 116 million masks daily, about 12 times as many as a month prior, according to official data.
But China's efforts to help haven't gone smoothly, as several countries have reported faults with Chinese-made supplies.
This began with Spain's recall of about 58,000 inaccurate rapid COVID-19 test kits late last week, and Turkey also casting aside a number of sample test kits that were faulty.
This was then followed last Saturday by a Dutch recall of some 600,000 face masks that didn't provide an airtight seal.
So, in a time of supply scarcity during a global pandemic, how do countries ensure the medical supplies they import actually work?
How did faulty equipment get to Europe?
China's Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology was identified as the manufacturer of Spain's faulty test kits, which local health authorities said had an accuracy rate of about 30 per cent.
Spanish health authorities said they bought Bioeasy's kits as they had European Union standard certification, which is known by its French acronym, CE.
In a statement via WeChat, Bioeasy stated its coronavirus-related products, which include the rapid test kits supplied to Spain, received a CE certificate on March 12.
However, CE certification is mostly self-declared by manufacturers, as it is their responsibility to choose between self-certification or whether to seek an EU-approved independent verifier.
@bidatzi: The external certificate simply certifies that the company has a quality management system. The other one is just BioEasy itself *saying* that their tests comply with applicable standards.
In Australia, Bioeasy's products are not listed on the Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG), nor has the company been granted an official vendor licence from China's National Administration of Medical Products, according to a tweet from the Spanish Embassy in China.
In response, Bioeasy said its crown series was not sold in China and was "only used for scientific purposes".
Bioeasy manager Zhu Hai denied the company's test kits had a low accuracy rate in a statement to the South China Morning Post, adding that a "more detailed explanation would be given via official Chinese Government channels".
When asked to comment on the quality concerns on Monday, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokeswoman Hua Chunying said "some masks" ordered by the Dutch "were not suitable for medical staff in intensive care units".
The Chinese Commerce Ministry followed up on Wednesday with a statement compelling all medical product exporters to provide extra documentation showing their products met the standards of its export destination, and were officially registered in China.
Bioeasy initially declined an interview with the ABC, but later shared a test validation report from researchers at Chile's Desarollo University, showing its Fluorescence Antigen rapid test attained 96.1 per cent diagnostic accuracy.
The ABC was unable to independently verify the data shared.
Are there universal standards for PPE or test kits?
Technically, there is a global mask standard from the International Standards Organisation (ISO), which outlines the test used to assess a mask's resistance to blood and bodily fluids (including that of small liquid droplets).
However, ISO has stated the test does not "address the performance of the medical face mask's design, construction, interfaces or other factors which may affect the overall protection offered by the medical face mask and its operation".
To determine whether a product is safe to use, health professionals are obligated to look at regulations in their country or at a supranational level for blocs such as the EU.
For example, the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods has a database of approved medical items for distribution, and that database is updated by the regulatory body Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA).
On its website, the TGA has specified an exemption for the "importation, manufacture and supply" of COVID-19 test kits to accredited pathology laboratories even if they haven't undergone TGA assessment, and it has also published a list of tests it has approved.
A TGA spokesperson told the ABC via email the body "encourages" all Australians searching for equipment to look at "medical devices included in the ARTG".
The World Heath Organisation has also published a list of recommendations for PPE usage amid COVID-19.
Ian Burgess, chief executive of the Medical Technology Association of Australia, told the ABC that Australian medical product manufacturers were "in a position of strength" to respond to COVID-19.
Until now, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, like the World Health Organisation, has advised that healthy people do not need to wear a mask.
This is to ensure that medical-grade masks such as N95 are available for those who need them the most, such as health workers in the US, which has become the world's latest coronavirus epicentre.
New Yorkers have recently been told to wear face coverings outside of the home, while the White House is considering implementing that rule across the US.
Steve Csiszar, chief executive at Med-Con — Australia's only manufacturer of medical face masks — told the ABC it was critical for people to find masks that meet official standards, otherwise there would be "a false sense of security".
Prior to the pandemic, Med-Con's masks made up 5 per cent of Australia's domestic supply, but the military has since been drafted to ramp up production.
Mr Csiszar said Australia had lost considerable homegrown manufacturing capacity to countries with cheap labour, which has consequences if medical manufacturers cost-cut further.
"Quite frankly, I'd be very dubious about any low-cost manufacturer having their products tested to standard," he said.
He said that because masks use synthetic materials, masks not to standard also run the risk of introducing other pathogens that may be travelling with the raw materials, or the product.
The ABC has contacted the researchers cited by Bioeasy for comment.
Additional reporting by Samuel Yang.
Slapping masks on everyone will make it harder for those infected to infect others.
The number of people who will infect themselves by doing stupid things will be about the same.
To rationalize it,
If you have a bus of 10 people all not wearing masks. All asymptomatic. 5 are infected. 5 are not. 2 of them are talking on their handphones. Droplets go into the air......
Same 10 people all wearing masks. droplets are not going into the air.
Which is better?
Until the wearing of face masks is mandatory, Sinkies can choose if they want to wear it or not.
But more and more countries are making it compulsory to wear a mask when in public, as we learn more about the virus. So far, these are the countries
Thailand, Philippines, South Korea, China, Czech Republic, Austria, Slovakia, Bosnia-Herzegovina (have I missed any countries?)
But more and more countries are making it compulsory to wear a mask when in public, as we learn more about the virus. So far, these are the countries
Thailand, Philippines, South Korea, China, Czech Republic, Austria, Slovakia, Bosnia-Herzegovina (have I missed any countries?)
How difficult is it to strap on a surgical mask? Assuming it's the first time a person is using it, just teach him how he should wear it, what he shouldn't do, and it's done. You make it sound like it's a medical procedure that only a trained person is capable of performing. Please lah you.
You are just echoing what the W.H.O. and others have said because they do not want to see mask supplies being depleted to the detriment of medical care people.
It is very easy to strap on a surgical mask and that is the problem. The wearers are taking it off and putting it on all the time and that is how the virus is being transmitted from hands to orifices in the face.
If the sole purpose of a mask is to just prevent droplet infection from those who show no symptoms there is no need to mandate a surgical mask or any other mask for that matter. Just tie a handkerchief over your nose. That's what we used to do when we were kids playing cops and robbers.
I've started to realise the IQ of many of the members here is far lower than I thought. Other than @nayr69sg nobody seems to be able to engage in logical discussion. Just a bunch of opposition loonies taking pot shots of the PAP and politicising this fascinating state of affairs.
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