Videos of Alleged beating of PRC SMRT drivers by SPF

[wendychan]

YES ONE WORD AGAINST ANOTHER
and people like me are of little faith

 

[zeddy]

For once, I support the actions of the poodles who were involved in whacking these Foreign Trash..

 

[YanDao]

Their allegation do not tally. Victim say he was hit on the neck and back but witness say victim was slapped acrossed the face?

So where was he hit?

Fuck off Ah Tiong, create trouble here still act as if hero and want to complain. Try doing it in China the kong ann will even kick you.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I will refrain from putting in my 2 cents at the moment because:

(a) We know SPF is not above such acts
(b) We also know Ah tiongs are capable of fabrication at drop of hat to suit their purposes

Case in point. I personally witnessed the expatriation of a few china nationals (for overstaying) some years ago. When the were flown home, they collaborated to exaggerate the "appalling" conditions at ICA, saying how they were fed food beside dirty toilet bowls in the toilet, slept in air con rooms with air con full blast without blankets or beds, not allowed personal hygiene, etc.

I've mentioned before half of the cases HOME and TWC2 deal with have no basis in reality. Activists are routinely taken for a ride because they are naturally sympathetic to foreign labour and tend to believe in them, which makes them vulnerable to fabrication.

 

[aurvandil]

Fair enough. Perhaps you can comment on the unusual statement by SPF. Why didn't SPF just state clearly that the allegations are untrue?

I will refrain from putting in my 2 cents at the moment because:

(a) We know SPF is not above such acts
(b) We also know Ah tiongs are capable of fabrication at drop of hat to suit their purposes

 

[Tuayapeh]

There's no way during interrogation 2 accused can see each other .

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Fair enough. Perhaps you can comment on the unusual statement by SPF. Why didn't SPF just state clearly that the allegations are untrue?

Think about it ... if they just said it is untrue they will be accused of covering up of their own men. Anyway like you said, rather wait for GD/Scroobal to comment.

 

[Tuayapeh]

Notice how the ah tiong try to make the interrogation worst . First he Said he was in a room then after a sec he change it to a SMALL room to exaggerated the situation .

 

[YanDao]

Why should they? Let the Ah Tiong go lodge a police report for the assault. If found untrue, charge the Ah Tiong for lodging false report better.

Fair enough. Perhaps you can comment on the unusual statement by SPF. Why didn't SPF just state clearly that the allegations are untrue?

 

[aurvandil]

SPF appears to be setting a new standard where allegations of beating that make it to the msm are not investigated and refuted as being false.

Think about it ... if they just said it is untrue they will be accused of covering up of their own men. Anyway like you said, rather wait for GD/Scroobal to comment.

 

[moolightaffairs]

it's an open secret the police will rough up detainees during interrogation... So some FTs broke the law and got whacked ... politicise this for what? Please help sinkies instead.

yah man! we should focus on real issue like 6.9mil!!! 6969!!! vote them out 2016!!!

 

[moolightaffairs]

You don't know how SPF work .. They usually wait for the other party to sue them and after that whack them hard with fines or jail . Maybe brother GD can come in and confirm that policeman whack accused are history .

GD busy hanging flower, allow me to share. camera, yes. but more like cctv around the station and for security purpose. not like those in drama during interview. last time, accused was whack at time and any where in the station. now everywhere got camera, including lock up. last time favourite place to wack accused was in the lock up, like WWF cage match. policeman inside fighting with accused.

 

[winnipegjets]

The PAP government must protect the integrity of the SPF and sue this guy for defamation. That's what they have done all the time, so there's no reason why they shouldn't do it this time unless the allegation is true.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Maybe brother GD can come in and confirm that policeman whack accused are history .

Hard to confirm it is history. There are still some in the SPF who behave like SS chaps. From my experience, usually no assault in sensitive cases. More so when confessions aren't needed. Top management will never direct you to 323 the accused person. No one has the balls to give that type of instructions. Not siding the SPF but I think the complaints by the Chinamen involved were made up.

In the 90s, there were discussions on video recording of statements. None of the agencies supported this idea. Let's be honest. If there is no threat, inducement or promise and when the evidence is weak, why would a suspect PG or confess?

In a nutshell, our investigators have not reached the level whereby they are comfortable with their interviewing or interrogation techniques being recorded. All their statements recorded would be thrown out in court. If Dy Dir Investigations CPIB was a flop, need I say more about newer, younger, less experienced investigators?

 

[GoldenDragon]

GD busy hanging flower, allow me to share. camera, yes. but more like cctv around the station and for security purpose. not like those in drama during interview. last time, accused was whack at time and any where in the station. now everywhere got camera, including lock up. last time favourite place to wack accused was in the lock up, like WWF cage match. policeman inside fighting with accused.

Busy with work in casino. Not hangflowers lah.

Yes, CCTVs are all over but not at strategic places. My office had no CCTV. Can assault in my office. Interrogation rooms also not equipped with CCTVs.

Once assaulted an accused for a High Court trial. Knna, even the judge did not believe a person in my position would assault an accused. I am a very decent looking chap machiam professor!

 

[GoldenDragon]

(a) We know SPF is not above such acts
(b) We also know Ah tiongs are capable of fabrication at drop of hat to suit their purposes

Very true. Btw, how did the SPF respond? Must admit I have yet to read their comments on this allegation.

 

[PUNISHER]

GD busy hanging flower, allow me to share. camera, yes. but more like cctv around the station and for security purpose. not like those in drama during interview. last time, accused was whack at time and any where in the station. now everywhere got camera, including lock up. last time favourite place to wack accused was in the lock up, like WWF cage match. policeman inside fighting with accused.

You are right brother , lockup and interrogation room is the good place to whack accused . Some garang accused even challenge mata to take off uniform to 1 to 1 .

 

[PUNISHER]

Hard to confirm it is history. There are still some in the SPF who behave like SS chaps. From my experience, usually no assault in sensitive cases. More so when confessions aren't needed. Top management will never direct you to 323 the accused person. No one has the balls to give that type of instructions. Not siding the SPF but I think the complaints by the Chinamen involved were made up.

In the 90s, there were discussions on video recording of statements. None of the agencies supported this idea. Let's be honest. If there is no threat, inducement or promise and when the evidence is weak, why would a suspect PG or confess?

In a nutshell, our investigators have not reached the level whereby they are comfortable with their interviewing or interrogation techniques being recorded. All their statements recorded would be thrown out in court. If Dy Dir Investigations CPIB was a flop, need I say more about newer, younger, less experienced investigators?

I thought last time IOs very impatience to get their statement done Their way ( even inside the roti van before reaching station already tio whack ) . But now IOs very different all nerdy looking go by the book ...very patience and use psychology game to write statement .

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Very true. Btw, how did the SPF respond? Must admit I have yet to read their comments on this allegation.

From CNA:

SINGAPORE: Police said two defendants who had been charged for their roles in an SMRT bus strike in November 2012 have made serious allegations in a video online that they been assaulted while in police custody.

Police said in a statement on Tuesday night that they are aware of the video interviews.

They urged the two men, 32-year-old He Jun Ling and 33-year-old Liu Xiang Ying, to make a police report so that they can investigate the case.

Police said the defendants' lawyers can also raise this matter in court when the case against them is heard.

Police added that as the case is currently before the court, it is not appropriate for them to comment on it.

- CNA/ck/fa

 

[scroobal]

A case of this nature would be classified as not only sensitive but of national security interest as it involves crippling an essential service. It is no longer a usual crime thought they were arrested for a case of a criminal nature.

The primary purpose of such interrogation is to determine who the ringleaders are or if there are foreign influence at work. The accused's culpability is not the primary concern. There is also the issue that unlike locals who you can detain until the authorities are satisfied, time is of the essence. Interrogation has to be extra persuasive to get results. But they have to be careful not to leave marks as embassy officials must have access.

Any information "coughed up" will be compiled and intelligence dossiers built to follow up.

Unfortunately these drivers are wondering why they were treated in such a manner for a simple act of not turning up for work. Their anger will continue and allegations fly, with salt and pepper added. No different to Teo Soh Lung's complaints

The western democracies do the same when national interests are concerned. The only difference is their area of national interest is not as wide as Singapore.