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[Video] - Zelensky feels backstabbed, says Trump has No Peace Plan to help Ukraine, only a Ukrainian Surrender to Putin

k1976 said:
Afghani Tio hardest when Biden pull out without warning
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The World cannot forget this ... Afghani who worked for US were being discarded like cardboard

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Eisenhut said:
70% of minerals of Ukraine are in Putin held territory
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Why do you think Trump & Putin have a 90 minutes talk on Ukraine ? :biggrin:
Basically Russia no requirement, but USA need to recover their war losses
Maybe the deal is - minerals can be taken out by USA, the land sovereignty will belong to Russia
Ukraine will have to sit at a corner, accept their cruel fate for following Biden earlier
 
Willamshakespear said:
1. What had PrezPutin won?

a)3 yrs into the invasion of another sovereign State that his predecessors had a treaty to honor UKR sovereignty & yet he broke it.

b)3 yrs into the invasion yet he had difficulties in his land grab, & could not even defend Crimea from attacks.

c)3 yrs into the invasion & he saw how the supposed mighty USSR crumbled in military might, economy, & even had to resort to conscripted youths from allies but only sent to warfronts to face death by RUS Generals to protect its own depleting youths? And more.....


2. What had PrezZelensky won?

a) He may had been a courageous charismatic figure whom had led & rallied troops, but yet after 3yrs, UKR did not fully managed to evict RUS troops out of UKR.

b) If not for USA taxpayers funding in Billion$, & even building up its once non-existence UKR Air Force, with even F-16s & training provided by USA, let alone other war munitions, UKR would long had been a RUS territory.

c) Thus, who is HE to demand a seat on the table for Negotiated Peace? Who is the Boss?


3. PrezTrump, as the new President of USA, figuratively & rightly banged his fist on the table & exclaimed - Enough is ENOUGH !

a) After 3yrs of war, it became a stalemate. It could have continued for another 3 yrs & see RUS destroyed, but is destroying RUS worth it? The consequences would be that RUS would be fragmented, with different Warlords in control & worse - with nukes & arms.

b) Billions of US taxpayers dollars had been spent, which could had been used to better American lives thru social expenditures - healthcare, infrastructure, education, etc, & financial aid to needy countries to survive, but had been spent on this senseless UKR war that achieved NOTHING.


What needs to proven to all parties HAD long been PROVEN, sadly by the many, so many brave youths from ALL sides, whom died for nothing, enshrined on their tombstones....

It is time to end this senseless war, for a NEGOTIATED PEACE, to save the many more alive....on ALL sides...



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Didn't read a single word you posted. Just a waste of time reading. You're another one with cognitive dissonance.
Get help.
 
Willamshakespear said:
a)3 yrs into the invasion of another sovereign State that his predecessors had a treaty to honor UKR sovereignty & yet he broke it.

b)3 yrs into the invasion yet he had difficulties in his land grab, & could not even defend Crimea from attacks.

c)3 yrs into the invasion & he saw how the supposed mighty USSR crumbled in military might, economy, & even had to resort to conscripted youths from allies but only sent to warfronts to face death by RUS Generals to protect its own depleting youths? And more.....
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It was James Baker and first first bush that have their word NATO will not expand eastward upon Russia withdrawing from Europe. That word was dishonoured many times started with Clinton.
Russia economy is not crumbling you twit. Stop listening to main stream media.
Russia slow and steady advance is a way to minimize their casualties. It sucked Ukraine into attacking and a wiped out by aerillery.
Willamshakespear said:
70% of known minerals may be heid by RUS stolen territory, but UKR is a VAST landmass of YET UNTAPPED mineral wealth, just as the huge landmass of USA is and has...
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The east part of Ukraine was previously russian. Khrushchev gave it away to Ukraine together with Crimea for reason nobody understood.
Under zelensky, he was intent in wiping out the Russian speakers in what was previously part of Russia in the east. That was why they wanted out and reunite with Russia.
 
Loofydralb said:
Apparently you're prone to cognitive dissonance.
Putin's winning. Get over it. You're wrong from day one.
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Don't count the chickens before they are hatched. You always like to behave like this. It's no good for you. Just like the last time you were so adamant that Sweden and Finland will never get to join NATO. Don't make yourself look like a fool in this forum with another of your silly conclusion. Behave like a well read adult, not a chicken.

Wait till the war is finally over and then we'll come back to see who is right and who is wrong. Trump had already mentioned that he is willing to help Ukraine in further military aid if Zelenskyy will agree to share their rare earth deposits with America and it looks like Zelenskyy has to oblige since he has no other better choice. If this arrangement will turn out in the affirmative, it'll mean the end of Bloodymir Putin is near because Trump will surely work his way with Ukraine to get back those Russian controlled territories of Ukraine, especially since these are the prime areas loaded with the rare earth materials which Trump badly needs in order to be self-reliance for the future instead of having to depend on China and always being held at ransom by China. Can you still get what I'm trying to imply here?
 
winners said:
Don't count the chickens before they are hatched. You always like to behave like this. It's no good for you. Just like the last time you were so adamant that Sweden and Finland will never get to join NATO. Don't make yourself look like a fool in this forum with another of your silly conclusion. Behave like a well read adult, not a chicken.

Wait till the war is finally over and then we'll come back to see who is right and who is wrong. Trump had already mentioned that he is willing to help Ukraine in further military aid if Zelenskyy will agree to share their rare earth deposits with America and it looks like Zelenskyy has to oblige since he has no other better choice. If this arrangement will turn out in the affirmative, it'll mean the end of Bloodymir Putin is near because Trump will surely work his way with Ukraine to get back those Russian controlled territories of Ukraine, especially since these are the prime areas loaded with the rare earth materials which Trump badly needs in order to be self-reliance for the future instead of having to depend on China and always being held at ransom by China. Can you still get what I'm trying to imply here?
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Wrong again.
If any arrangements are made without Putin's agreement, his war will continue until Kyiv.
Trump dare not put American troops against Putin's.
So trump will never have an agreement without Putin.

See how short I make my point. No need a wall of text
 
Loofydralb said:
Wrong again.
If any arrangements are made without Putin's agreement, his war will continue until Kyiv.
Trump dare not put American troops against Putin's.
So trump will never have an agreement without Putin.

See how short I make my point. No need a wall of text
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Precisely as you've said it yourself, clown. So, how can you conclude that Bloodymir Putin will surely win this war? Don't act like a fool and contradict yourself here. Everyone is laughing at you silly.

By the way, who's talking about putting US troops in Ukraine? Where did you get this idea? I'm talking of further technical military aid, not troops. Trump is not stupid. I sell you military weapons, you give me your rare earth minerals in return. Win-Win Situation.
 
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winners said:
Precisely as you've said it yourself, clown. So, how can you conclude that Bloodymir Putin will surely win this war? Don't act like a fool and contradict yourself here. Everyone is laughing at you silly.
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Because it's bankrupting both Europe and america plus both refuse to send troops to fight.
So Putin wins again. Uraaa
 
Loofydralb said:
Because it's bankrupting both Europe and america plus both refuse to send troops to fight.
So Putin wins again. Uraaa
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What cock are you talking? You're telling me that the G7's combined wealth is lesser than Russia's? Are you mad?
 
syed putra said:
Taiwanese saw the fate of hongkies which has turned into just another provincial city. Nothing special anymore.
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war will only mean death & destruction; only the innocents will suffer, jus look at wat happened to ukraine n gaza now... those m fucers at the white house who started all these... hope lightning strike them all
 
winners said:
What cock are you talking? You're telling me that the G7's combined wealth is lesser than Russia's? Are you mad?
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Nope. They're spending on this war like there's no tomorrow. And their industries are hurting badly because no more cheap Russian energy. And losing market to. China and other cheaper producers.

Russia otoh, has the global south assisting him by buying his oil and OPEC maintaining crude prices. And his spending on internal social programs are miniscule in comparison to us and eu. Thus Russia has money left over for weapons.
 
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