u are comparing 1.4 billion people who used to be on bicycles to 128 million people who are very advanced, so please lets come up with some relevant metrics.
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US Military Sends Hundreds of F35 and Weapons to Taiwan/Japan to whack China
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whats more relevant than somebody not only was originally 1/3rd ur size,not only caught up but is now triple ur size?in a mere span of 15 to 19 years.......one generation.
imagine if countries were like spaceships or mechwarriors or jets and china has begun the engine startup and warmup and is reaching 30 percent of its maximum trust or torque and rpm and already u can feel the immense power and pressure per sq inch from the economic engine.......so great its about to eclipse USA the number one economic superpower in the world.
but here u are talking about getting some f35 jets and u are ready to school xi dada and China?
if i gave singapore and israel and netherlands and swissland and scandinavia all 7 countries 100 f35s each all highly developed and combined gdp of maybe 2 to 3 trillion and ask them to school china right now.......
no doubt china as a whole is still generally poor, but u dont think theres some areas/parts of the country and the top 10 percent of its population that is already rapidly catching up or close to the metropolitan areas of japan?
currently theres 3 or 4 provinces in china where the nominal gdp per capital is already abover $20,000 usd. basically singapore's gdp pc back in 2001.
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Xi jinping will ensure china economy downsize to where it was 30 years ago.
the topic at hand is F35 jets going to Japan, and what this means for its defense. its directed at china.
its sophomoric to state a nation's GDP is tantamount to its power when that nation is the most populous. if you think you will be around to see china's PER CAPITA GPD on par or eclipse the US or other wealthy Western Nations you will be very disappointed.
You wont live to see it.
no i wont,and neither will the next ten generations,because i know it is physically and metaphysically impossible to develop a population of 1.4 billion people to the level of the richest first world countries......i dont even know if the current total population living at a first world standard even exist to reach 1 billion, never mind a country of 1.4 billion population......half of europe's population live in eastern european shytholes thats about 350 million,in total there might only be 700 to 800 million people on this earth living at first world standards.....technological limitations and earth resources simply does not allow that.for china to even reach 20,000 usd per capital just imagine how much resources and energy it would consume and require.
but ur sophomoric to think that china is weak simply because its gdp is not on par with US or other wealthy western nations and its merely populous.......even at 10,000 gdp per cap,china is already an overwhelmingly dangerous entity,china is on a different scale than 99 percent of other countries in the world,it is a colossus,a titan,like attack on titan,even at a 10,000 usd development level,the amount of collective power and economic activity and production is garguantuan.......its st strength doesnt simply exist on an individual basis,or a vacuum,once its gdp reaches 20 plus trillion the same as USA,literally the total economic activity in china would be the same as in USA even if its much more spread out,and that strength can be gathered and consolidated into one giant fist uppercut......
just because theres 500 million people living in poverty in china,doesnt mean the government does not have the wealth and power to launch another 800 satelittes into space,or embark on technological super projects......or spend trillions on arming their army and militarisation if they wish to.......they can buy all the weapons and technology for sale out there,and create the most expensive elite 1 million men army........and all the resources and raw materials they need in order to sustain a long war of attrition.........imagine germany fighting in wwii,but without all the logistics and food and oil problems, everything running at full strength,all cheat codes and unlimited resources and ammo and production enabled......
once china gdp per cap reaches 20,000 usd........i dont think any country in the world could even come close to challenging it and also military might,cause military might is always dependant on economic might,even back during the roman and carthage empire days or germany during wwii,a war machine needs money and resources to power it no matter what.
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This shows you don't understand chinks and chink politics. Do you know why Winnie Xi is hiding himself now and has recently formed a special protection squad just to protect himself? The Xi Dynasty will be coming to an end soon. 庚子年 is always a bad year for chink emperors.
first of all china has a serious geographical and demographic problem. Those 1.4 billion wont be around for long. its population is projected to halve by 2100. Even India will overtake china long before then. even food security is an issue in china today. they just dont have the means.
20K per capita USD would put it in the same league as latvia, lithuania, and estonia, so irrelevant. a higher GPD denotes a higher living standard which china will not be attaining anytime soon. and when they do, you will be old and grey so semantics.
currently the the powers that be do not recognize china as a power even remotely close to the US in any capacity. Instead we see the horrible effects of communist ideology that has angered the world order.
The COVID-19 virus and skirmishes along its borders are a testament to this fact.
at its current path a new cold war is being waged with the communists on one side and the free democratic nations on the other.
i think its clear whose side you are on.
That's great.700 mil pop is wonderful news for China,700mil pop is way more manageable,and easier to reach its full potential.1.4 billion people is just a dead weight if u ask me......700mil puts it well above USA so......
Seems like ur still not getting it......can u imagine 1 billion people generating 20,000 USD per cap in wealth?
Do u know what was Singapore's GDP per cap back in 2001?I think it was around 22 or 23,000 USD, possibly lower......now Singapore was pretty much first world status and already pretty rich by 2001.we were spending 5,6 billion a year on our military.
Now imagine 1.4 billion people generating 20,000 USD per cap.
I know where I stand,the question is whose side are u on,CECA?
Look the day when there's one toilet for every Indian in India let me know......
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and you dont get such low GDP per capita is miniscule compared to where the US and others will be by then, approx 100K per person. try again in 50 years. 20K vs 100K
maybe then you will get it.
the weakness of the chinese is plain and evident its their barking with no bite that is the problem. we need to ignore them and aim our weapons at them to shut up which is what is happeningJust need to take out China's naval base at Hainan island (and its pathetic fleet of submarines) and it's game over.
what does this have to do with security in the SCS? Japan has done quite well recently and now they are revamping their military to counter china. this is good news for us
Miniscule,u think a country producing 14 trillion a year is miniscule?I suppose as miniscule as 20 years ago when they were producing 1 trillion a year huh.
Then pray tell why is Japan's GDP stuck in the 4 trillion range since the 90s?I mean even accounting for inflation over 30 years,that is actually a loss.
U think gdps can grow indefinitely lol?it might take 100 years before USA reach 100k gdp, especially for a country of 350 million pop,this isn't Luxemburg we are talking about,some extremely small pissant country like singapore.yes yes high concentration of wealth in tiny country = high GDP.u pour a large amount of wealth into a country the size of China the GDP only goes up a tick.
Besides what difference does it make?100k GDP times 350 million is only 35 trillion
20k gdppc times 1.4 trillion is 28 trillion.....not much difference,
But USA have to achieve 100k GDP per cap,which means average person has to earn 100k a year on average......how is that possible lol.hyperinflation?that means we might have to use the euro as measurement in future.
Yes because china lacks resources while the US does not. Look at American Oil reserves for example. Technologies will eventually bankrupt the middle east while the Americans win yet again as they always do
Us only produces 10 million barrels a day,they consume 20 million a day.....guess what they are still reliant on oil imports.
US has the world's largest oil reserves actually more then Saudi Arabia and Russia
https://www.aogr.com/web-exclusives... States,undiscovered fields (proved, probable.
Reserve Estimates
U.S. Holds Most Recoverable Oil Reserves
By Per Magnus Nysveen
OSLO, NORWAY–The United States now holds the world’s largest recoverable oil reserve base–more than Saudi Arabia or Russia–thanks to the development of unconventional resource plays.
Ranking nations by the most likely estimate for existing fields, discoveries and as-of-yet undiscovered fields (proved, probable. possible and undiscovered), the United States is at the top of the list with 264 billion barrels of recoverable oil reserves, followed by Russia with 256 billion, Saudi Arabia with 212 billion, Canada with 167 billion, Iran with 143 billion, and Brazil with 120 billion (Table 1).
also the US produced 19.25 MMp/D in 2019 and consumed 20.46 MMp/D
as I said earlier eventually emerging technologies will bankrupt traditional middle eastern and OPEC oil production.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained...t level of total petroleum imports since 1996.
the United States produces a large share of the petroleum1 it consumes, but it uses imports to help supply domestic and international markets
In 2019, the United States produced2 about 19.25 million barrels per day (MMb/d) of petroleum, and it consumed3 about 20.46 MMb/d. Imports from other countries help to supply domestic demand for petroleum. Some of the crude oil that the U.S. imports is refined by U.S. refineries into petroleum products (such as gasoline, heating oil, diesel fuel, and jet fuel) that the U.S. exports. Some of imported petroleum may be stored and subsequently exported.
what a load of bullshit! Amazing #1 in the world America is about to be a net EXPORTER of oil you twit. My god you backward China trolls are living in the past
America is the most powerful nation in the modern era of mankind. Period. Its been King for 75+ years and will be King for many more years to come. Nothing you say or cut and paste will change that. It is fact
later all these f-35 light up like firecracker on radar and get shoot down like turkeys
coz f-35 selling point is stealth and 'sensor fusion' (snazzy marketing gimmick, stinkies copied the same concept for it "Hunter" AFV)
would be funny if f-35 stealth is compromised got so many are bunched together and light up on radar scrreens
coz f-35 selling point is stealth and 'sensor fusion' (snazzy marketing gimmick, stinkies copied the same concept for it "Hunter" AFV)
would be funny if f-35 stealth is compromised got so many are bunched together and light up on radar scrreens
Dream on you really make me laugh HA HA HA HA
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/f-3...nd-changed-everything-in-the-middle-east.html
The F-35 has already freaked out Iran and changed everything in the Middle East
PUBLISHED THU, JUL 18 20199:58 AM EDTUPDATED WED, AUG 28 20193:48 PM EDT
No conversation about the world’s massive political and economic changes since 2015 is complete without mentioning the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, developed by Lockheed Martin.
That became even clearer this week thanks to a somewhat cheeky statement by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in response to Iran’s provocative moves in the Persian Gulf and other threats from Tehran. Standing in front of an F-35 jet parked at an Israeli Air Force base, Netanyahu barely held back a smile as he said that Israel can reach Iran, but Iran cannot reach Israel.
He didn’t add the words “undetected by radar,” but it was surely implied.
To understand why that soundbite with the visual backdrop was more than just bluster, you have trace the F-35′s incredible history in the Middle East over the past four years.
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You don’t have to be a military genius to know that a supersonic jet that can fly undetected by radar for hundreds of miles will make a difference anywhere in the world. But the F-35′s already powerful impact in the Middle East was multiplied extensively during the months leading up to the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. That was still more than a year before the jet was put into service anywhere in the world.
But it was late summer 2015 when reports in the Israeli news media surfaced about how Israelis working on F-35 prototypes had managed to double the jet’s flight and stealth capacity. It wasn’t lost on anyone that the extension meant Israeli Air Force pilots could use the F-35 to fly from Israel to Tehran and back without detection -- and without having to refuel at U.S. air bases in Saudi Arabia or Iraq.
Suddenly, U.S.-Israeli air superiority in the region had risen to a new level. Saudi Arabia had already begun the process of cooperating more with Israel on defense and security matters for some time, something Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hinted at during a “60 Minutes” interview after President Trump’s election. But the idea of letting Israeli jets land and refuel in that Arab country was still a stretch in 2015. Iraqi leaders were also not receptive to the idea. But the new technology was now rendering the objections moot.
The move only acted to bring the Saudis and the Israelis closer. It was one thing for the two countries to have a common enemy in Iran that was on the verge of getting billions of dollars and a clear, if supposedly delayed, path to a nuclear weapon. But with the new F-35 and its expanded capacities in the picture, there was something more tangible than political promises and intelligence sharing to hang their hopes on.
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All of that made it easier for King Salman to shake up his regime and name Mohammed bin Salman the new crown prince. Mohammad, who is aggressive on defense, wasted little time enhancing military ties with Israel and the U.S. There was even an unconfirmed report that he visited Israel secretly in September 2017.
Yet the most direct effects of the F-35 were still to come. In July 2018, a Kuwaiti newspaper reported that Israel had flown a test mission of at least three F-35 jets to Tehran and back from an airbase near Tel Aviv. While never confirmed publicly, a good number of military and political leaders in the region believed and still believe the story. The long-rumored threat the F-35 posed to Iran now seemed like a reality.
Earlier this month, reports in the same Kuwaiti newspaper said that Iran’s military leadership panicked enough over the purported stealth mission that it kept news of it from reaching Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.
But when Khamenei found out about the mission, he reportedly moved to fire not only Iran’s air force chief but also the long-serving and powerful commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps. That’s major impact without even firing a shot.
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