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US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Trouble?

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Paulson, Bernanke Brave `Raptors,' Resist Lehman Aid (Update1)

By Craig Torres and Shannon D. Harrington

Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Henry Paulson and Ben S. Bernanke may have to weather more speculative attacks on financial institutions as they resist using public funds to aid the sale of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
``The raptors test the fence for weak spots,'' said Vincent Reinhart, a former director of the Federal Reserve Board's Division of Monetary Affairs who is now a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. ``The speculators think the authorities will blink, and the authorities think the speculators will run out of funds.''

By shutting the door on assistance for Lehman, Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke accelerated a plunge in the shares of other institutions perceived to face similar capital constraints. Merrill Lynch & Co., American International Group Inc. and Washington Mutual Inc. fell yesterday after a person familiar with Paulson's thinking said he was ``adamant'' that no government money be used in resolving Lehman's shortage of funds. Fed officials are taking a similar stand.

Paulson and Bernanke are struggling to define which firms aren't too big to fail after the March bailout and merger of Bear Stearns Cos. and last weekend's seizure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac protected creditors, creating the perception the government would insure other firms against disorderly collapse.

Talks on Solution

Paulson, New York Fed President Timothy Geithner and Securities and Exchange Commissioner Christopher Cox are meeting with Wall Street chiefs for a second day of talks on how to resolve the Lehman crisis. New York Fed spokesman Andrew Williams declined to comment on the details of the discussions at his bank.

The favored solution presented by Paulson and Geithner is for a group of financial companies to contribute money to a so- called bad bank to assume Lehman's devalued real-estate assets, according to people briefed on the talks. A liquidation or sale of the company remain options.
After Bear Stearns, regulators face a no-win decision with Lehman, said former Representative Richard Baker, a Louisiana Republican who served on the House Financial Services Committee. ``You bail them out, you are putting taxpayers' money at risk,'' Baker said. ``You don't bail them out, you are facilitating the short sellers.''

Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan said in a Bloomberg Television interview yesterday that avoiding the use of government funds in the case of Lehman would be ``the ideal solution.'' He wouldn't make odds on whether that would be the case.

Bear Precedent

``Once you put the line under Bear Stearns, that whole structure of financial and non-financial institutions above that automatically became too big to fail,'' Greenspan said.

The showdown comes at a precarious moment for the Fed and Treasury. The presidential elections are two months away. The central bank's interest-rate cuts, 3.25 percentage points over the past year, haven't translated into a free flow of credit at low rates for consumers, the Fed's own surveys show.

Fed policy makers meeting next week will likely leave the benchmark rate unchanged, according to futures trading that also indicates a one-in-three chance central bankers will need to resume easing credit by year-end.
Reports this month point to a heightened risk of a recession. Unemployment rose to a five-year high of 6.1 percent last month, and retail sales fell 0.7 percent, excluding autos, the biggest decline this year.

`Fragile' Markets

``Financial conditions are extremely fragile,'' said former Fed governor Lyle Gramley, now a senior economic adviser for the Stanford Group Company in Washington. ``With the Lehman situation deteriorating, this tends to have knock-on effects.''

In a sign that creditors don't expect Paulson to blink, the cost to protect against defaults by AIG, Merrill, WaMu and Wachovia Corp. reached records. Credit-default swaps on Seattle- based WaMu are trading at levels that imply a 75 percent chance the company will default in the next five years, a JPMorgan Chase & Co. valuation model shows.

``All of these firms are exposed to the real-estate market,'' said Len Blum, managing director at Westwood Capital LLC, a New York-based investment bank. Investors are ``coming to grips with the reality that real-estate markets have been and will be in a decline.''

An index created by New York-based Credit Derivatives Research LLC that tracks credit-default swaps on 15 banks and securities firms, known as the CDR Counterparty Risk Index, rose 51 basis points the past week to 215 basis points, the highest since the collapse of Bear Stearns in March.

Cost of Protection

A basis point on a credit-default swap contract protecting $10 million of debt from default for five years is equivalent to $1,000 a year.
The Fed, Treasury and financial system ``are in a horrible situation,'' said Thomas Garcia, head of equity trading at Thornburg Investment Management Inc. in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which oversees about $46 billion. ``You have investors at large firms like Lehman saying: Why can't you do it again?''

One problem hobbling regulators is that they don't have a transparent process for dealing with investment banks in the same way that the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. does for handling troubled commercial banks. That leaves Fed and Treasury officials with emergency decisions that set new precedents and change market incentives with every bailout or failure.

``The big policy question is, do you need to preserve investment banks in the public interest?'' said Joseph Mason, a Louisiana State University finance professor who served in the bank-research division of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency from 1995 to 1998. ``We are at the inflection point,'' he said. ``Failures keep getting bigger and bigger.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Craig Torres in Washington at [email protected]; Shannon D. Harrington in New York at [email protected]
Last Updated: September 13, 2008 15:27 EDT
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

How much do you estimate Temasek haa lost so far in their investmnts in financial institutions since last year

Thanks

Leong Sze Hian
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

How much do you estimate Temasek haa lost so far in their investmnts in financial institutions since last year

Thanks

Leong Sze Hian

Tens of billions. Now back to you for a more accurate figure.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

Thanks very much

Now, I saw in the news that $1.5b made on Merrell Lynch stake

Leong Sze Hian
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

Thanks very much

Now, I saw in the news that $1.5b made on Merrell Lynch stake

Leong Sze Hian

While Temasek could potentially lose quite substantially, everyone else in the world is also hit. Nobody is saying it is an honest mistake but now it is time to come clean on what to do next. EU is in denial but Singapore does not and this is the best time to show how we can react fast, positively and effectively in ways other countries in the world cannot.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Jim Rogers was RIGHT all along that TemaSICK made a blunder & burt all our taxpayers & CPF money! Gone liao!
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

not necessary,read in the news that maybe the investment in Merrill Lynch is making profits.
so will have to wait and see.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

in the long run the investment may not be so bad
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

Thanks very much

Now, I saw in the news that $1.5b made on Merrell Lynch stake

Leong Sze Hian

Yeah I also read it in the TNP. I couldn't make head or tail of it. Share price went tumbling down and yet profit can be make out from it!

Anybody wishes to throw some lights on it, xie xie.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Yeah I also read it in the TNP. I couldn't make head or tail of it. Share price went tumbling down and yet profit can be make out from it!

Anybody wishes to throw some lights on it, xie xie.


It's an all-stock transaction. No money involved. I use my share to buy your share, so you are part of me. You are getting more bullets from me but you are not leaving.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

in the long run the investment may not be so bad

thanks to me of course

J.P. Morgan advanced $138 billion to Lehman
By Sam Mamudi, MarketWatch

J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. has this week advanced $138 billion to Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. to help Lehman carry out its brokerage transactions.

A $87 billion advance Monday and a $51 billion advance Tuesday, according to a filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court of the Southern District of New York.

"At the request of [Lehman] and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and in order to avoid a disruption of the financial markets ... [J.P. Morgan] advanced [the money] to or for the benefit of Lehman in order to clear, and facilitate the settlement of, certain securities transactions with customers or clients of Lehman," the filing said.

The first advance was repaid Monday night, and Tuesday's advance was made at the request of both Lehman and the New York Fed, the filing also said.

J.P. Morgan "may elect to make additional advances," the investment bank stated in the filing.

The advances were secured by collateral, according to J.P. Morgan. It didn't say where the $138 billion came from, or whether it had access to a Federal Reserve window. A J.P. Morgan spokeswoman did not immediately return calls. A Lehman official declined comment.

"Presumably, the funds to repay the loan at the end of each day come largely from the Federal Reserve's Primary Dealer Credit Facility," said Louis Crandall, an economist at Wrightson ICAP.

That facility is part of the Fed's regular lending to support the payments and clearing systems.

U.S. stocks nose-dived Monday after a weekend of frantic negotiations failed to prevent Lehman filing for the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

Thanks very much

Now, I saw in the news that $1.5b made on Merrell Lynch stake

Leong Sze Hian

As usual, the news tells you half the truth. The deal is a stock for stock exchange, 1 share of Merrill for 0.859 of BoA. Based on BoA's closing price on Friday of about $33, the deal was valued at $29 a share for Merrill. That's how they arrived at the $1.5 billion figure, all on paper.

However, on Monday, BoA's stock tanked to $26.55. On Tuesday, it recovered to $29.50. So Temasek's paper gain virtually evaporated in a matter of 48 hours. You do the maths.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Farking hell every institution is using methods that should not be used !

Stick to age old convention !
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

Thanks very much

Now, I saw in the news that $1.5b made on Merrell Lynch stake

Leong Sze Hian
Do you plan to stand for elections so that you can get into parliament and get your questions and anaylsis all on the record for official answers from the government? :)
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

Hi makapaaa

Thanks very much

Now, I saw in the news that $1.5b made on Merrell Lynch stake

Leong Sze Hian

Based on BOA takeover price of $29 for Merrill, Temasek stands to make $5 per share in their 14% stake in Merrill.

But GIC's paper loss on Citi and UBS on current price should run into over $10b.
 
Re: US Financial Failures Getting Bigger. Temasick's "Long-Term" Investment in Troubl

the worst is yet to come... US now not only facing big internal debts, they've got chains of natural disasters & reliefs to worry about. quite unlikely that the states will pick up fast enough... i reckon its gonna be downhill for at least another 2yrs++.

whoever the next president may be, he'd find himself in a very very hot seat with nails in it.

as for the poor calculated risks n mis-judged investments made by TH & GIC... they've always a sugar coated speech to address the upsetting news. just wait n see...
 
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