Toyota in hot pursuit of Tesla, unveiling EV with 500 km range

[Froggy]

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Toyota in hot pursuit of Tesla, unveiling EV with 500 km range
Automaker's first mass-produced all-electric hits global markets in mid-2022

Toyota says its sport utility vehicle bZ4X has a slew of new features beyond being an all-electric model. (Photo courtesy of Toyota)
Nikkei staff writersOctober 30, 2021 06:18 JST

NAGOYA, Japan -- Toyota Motor shook up the auto industry over two decades ago when it offered the world's first mass-produced hybrid, but the Japanese company has been late to embrace full electrics. It hopes to make up lost ground by debuting its first full-electric vehicle, touting a range approaching that offered by Tesla.

The sport utility vehicle bZ4X will provide a range of about 500 km for the front-wheel-drive version and 460 km for the all-wheel-drive option. These distances would place Toyota's offering behind Tesla's Model 3, which sports a range of 560 km, as well as Nissan Motor's Ariya and Volkswagen's ID.3.

But a member of Toyota's development team emphasized the vehicle's long battery life and reliable control system, saying the company differentiates its model from others now on the market through technologies and "know-how built over many years" of expertise in electrified vehicles. The Japanese automaker debuted the world's first mass-produced hybrid car, the Prius, in 1997.

The bZ4X, hitting markets worldwide in mid-2022, will feature a 71.4 kWh battery, with a capacity retention target of 90% after 10 years. This will be possible with a system monitoring the battery's voltage and temperature to detect signs of overheating.

The model will be the automaker's first to feature steer-by-wire. (Photo courtesy of Toyota)

The SUV rolls off a new platform, Toyota's first dedicated to battery electric vehicles and developed jointly with compatriot Subaru. The platform marries the partner's four-wheel-drive expertise and Toyota's connectivity technology.

Fast charging of 150 kW will enable an 80% recharge in 30 minutes. An optional rooftop solar panel can generate enough power for an additional range of 1,800 km a year and serve as a source of energy outdoors and in emergencies.

The vehicle is also Toyota's first to feature steer-by-wire technology, meaning the steering wheel and tires are not physically connected but use electric control systems, as well as the e-axle, an integrated motor and inverter drive system.

Toyota aims to sell 8 million electrified vehicles by 2030, including 2 million electric and fuel-cell autos. The automaker is investing 1.5 trillion yen ($13.2 billion) in automotive batteries worldwide. The plan includes a dedicated battery plant in the U.S.

The bZ4X, unveiled as a concept vehicle earlier this year, represents the first of seven bZ models Toyota plans to release by 2025. It will be built at existing production bases in Japan and China, which indicates that Toyota has yet to accelerate its EV push like some rivals that are making bold investments into this field.

All eyes are on Toyota to see when it turns up the juice.

 

[eatshitndie]

toyota will eventually upend tesla with higher volumes of sale due to their global presence and brand awareness. gobbledygook google signs a partnership deal with tesla as waymo goes nowhere and is truly fucked up trying to chalk millions of mileage with test vehicles. meanwhile tesla's owners-drivers are already chalking up billions of miles in real life traffic situations all over the world. that data is more important to google than competing with tesla itself on autonomous driving. just like google pays apple billions to have its search engine on ios, google teams up with tesla to suck up its data. why don't they design their own vehicle, outsource manufacturing, and sell it? nothing beats real data from millions of drivers driving billions of miles per week.

 

[laksaboy]

As long as they're still using a lithium-based battery, no thanks.

 

[syed putra]

New Iron-Based Batteries Offer an Alternative to Lithium​

An ESS iron flow battery pack. ESS
Batteries are needed to store clean power from wind and solar, but the high cost of lithium batteries has slowed their widespread adoption. Companies have long sought to produce alternatives made of cheaper materials, like zinc, and Oregon-based ESS Inc. says it has now developed a more affordable and better-performing battery made with iron, Bloomberg reported.
CSB Energy Corp., a clean-energy firm, is planning to install these batteries at solar projects across the U.S., where they will store surplus power generated during the day and distribute it at night. The company will deploy enough batteries to power 50,000 American homes for a day.
“Unlike lithium-ion batteries, iron flow batteries are really cheap to manufacture,” Rich Hossfeld, CEO of SB Energy, told Bloomberg. “The battery is made of iron salt and water.”
While lithium-ion batteries have gotten dramatically cheaper over the last decade, with prices dropping around 90 percent, their dependence on expensive materials like nickel and cobalt means there is a limit to how far costs can fall. Whereas lithium-ion batteries used for power storage can cost up to $350 per kilowatt-hour, ESS’s iron-based battery could be purchased for as little $200 per kilowatt-hour or less by 2025 and store energy for longer, Bloomberg reported.
Since iron-flow batteries do not work like the lithium-ion batteries used in smartphones or EVs, they have limited applications. Because the electrolytes stored within need to be moved with a physical pump, iron-flow batteries are much larger than lithium-ion batteries — ESS batteries are sold inside shipping containers. But they are still a practical option for grid storage.
“Long-duration energy storage, like this iron-flow battery, [is] key to adding more renewables to the grid,” Venkat Viswanathan, a battery expert and associate professor of mechanical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University, told Bloomberg.

 

[cocobobo]

The world has not solved the problem of what to do with expired lithium batteries. Until then, hydrogen fuel cell is the way fwd

 

[nightsafari]

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Au...=4&pub_date=20211030090000&seq_num=2&si=44594

Toyota in hot pursuit of Tesla, unveiling EV with 500 km range
Automaker's first mass-produced all-electric hits global markets in mid-2022

Toyota says its sport utility vehicle bZ4X has a slew of new features beyond being an all-electric model. (Photo courtesy of Toyota)
Nikkei staff writersOctober 30, 2021 06:18 JST

NAGOYA, Japan -- Toyota Motor shook up the auto industry over two decades ago when it offered the world's first mass-produced hybrid, but the Japanese company has been late to embrace full electrics. It hopes to make up lost ground by debuting its first full-electric vehicle, touting a range approaching that offered by Tesla.

The sport utility vehicle bZ4X will provide a range of about 500 km for the front-wheel-drive version and 460 km for the all-wheel-drive option. These distances would place Toyota's offering behind Tesla's Model 3, which sports a range of 560 km, as well as Nissan Motor's Ariya and Volkswagen's ID.3.

But a member of Toyota's development team emphasized the vehicle's long battery life and reliable control system, saying the company differentiates its model from others now on the market through technologies and "know-how built over many years" of expertise in electrified vehicles. The Japanese automaker debuted the world's first mass-produced hybrid car, the Prius, in 1997.

The bZ4X, hitting markets worldwide in mid-2022, will feature a 71.4 kWh battery, with a capacity retention target of 90% after 10 years. This will be possible with a system monitoring the battery's voltage and temperature to detect signs of overheating.

The model will be the automaker's first to feature steer-by-wire. (Photo courtesy of Toyota)

The SUV rolls off a new platform, Toyota's first dedicated to battery electric vehicles and developed jointly with compatriot Subaru. The platform marries the partner's four-wheel-drive expertise and Toyota's connectivity technology.

Fast charging of 150 kW will enable an 80% recharge in 30 minutes. An optional rooftop solar panel can generate enough power for an additional range of 1,800 km a year and serve as a source of energy outdoors and in emergencies.

The vehicle is also Toyota's first to feature steer-by-wire technology, meaning the steering wheel and tires are not physically connected but use electric control systems, as well as the e-axle, an integrated motor and inverter drive system.

Toyota aims to sell 8 million electrified vehicles by 2030, including 2 million electric and fuel-cell autos. The automaker is investing 1.5 trillion yen ($13.2 billion) in automotive batteries worldwide. The plan includes a dedicated battery plant in the U.S.

The bZ4X, unveiled as a concept vehicle earlier this year, represents the first of seven bZ models Toyota plans to release by 2025. It will be built at existing production bases in Japan and China, which indicates that Toyota has yet to accelerate its EV push like some rivals that are making bold investments into this field.

All eyes are on Toyota to see when it turns up the juice.

Toyota doesn't need to pursue Tesla. Toyota just has to decide that they want the BEV market.

For the most part Toyota along with the other car companies thought the BEV market was just a bunch of fringe adopters. Toyota is one of the last to commit any meaningful effort to BEVs.

If Toyota decides to go full force into BEVs, the only people buying Teslas will be rabid fanboys and those without any knowledge of cars. Tesla will rapidly fade into irrelevance in the mass market.

edit : oh and I forgot. Ironically, the company that gave Elon one of the hugest boosts was Toyota. They essentially gifted him a production line to get him started.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-toyota-idUSTRE64J70O20100521

 

[glnit]

it'll take about five years for toyota to smell elon's fart. by then, tesla's testicles should be worth north of 3-5 Tees so says wood's ark invests as well as the hordes of fanboy bulls. pair of diamond hands for those of us who've hooted tesi 5-7 years back

 

[syed putra]

The world has not solved the problem of what to do with expired lithium batteries. Until then, hydrogen fuel cell is the way fwd

Its too expensive to produce hydrogen and difficult to transport and store it.
But on the bright side, hydrogen can easily be used on current lng infrastructure but up to a point as modification needed to be made to prevent losses due to its very tiny molecule.
New age solid state batteries could be a better option or even super capacitors which can be recharged in minutes for vehicles as it does not create heat when operating.

 

[blackmondy]

Somebody should produce a nuclear-powered car. It's high time for road vehicles to be self-powered

 

[LordElrond]

it'll take about five years for toyota to smell elon's fart. by then, tesla's testicles should be worth north of 3-5 Tees so says wood's ark invests as well as the hordes of fanboy bulls. pair of diamond hands for those of us who've hooted tesi 5-7 years back

Tesla will become just another Ford

 

[Eisenhut]

Toyota long been on hybrid . Finally chut 1 EV. Lidat say until catching Tesla? Lol

 

[Leongsam]

As a Toyota fanboy their EVs would obviously be my number one choice. Reliability and quality will definitely be superior.

However the one thing that would make me change my mind would be auto pilot ability. I have reached the stage in life where I would love to just have to tell the car where to go and then take a nap. If a Tesla could do that way better than a Toyota then it would be Tesla for me.

 

[nightsafari]

As a Toyota fanboy their EVs would obviously be my number one choice. Reliability and quality will definitely be superior.

However the one thing that would make me change my mind would be auto pilot ability. I have reached the stage in life where I would love to just have to tell the car where to go and then take a nap. If a Tesla could do that way better than a Toyota then it would be Tesla for me.

do your homework re : autopilot.

Hint : It is not level 5. It is level 2 which everybody else already has with the safeguards removed.

Of course if you buy on the basis of marketing...

 

[LordElrond]

As a Toyota fanboy their EVs would obviously be my number one choice. Reliability and quality will definitely be superior.

However the one thing that would make me change my mind would be auto pilot ability. I have reached the stage in life where I would love to just have to tell the car where to go and then take a nap. If a Tesla could do that way better than a Toyota then it would be Tesla for me.

Tesla’s auto pilot has sent a few folks to Neverland if that is what you’re looking for

 

[Leongsam]

Tesla’s auto pilot has sent a few folks to Neverland if that is what you’re looking for

The significant word is "few".

People send themselves to Neverland far more often. No auto pilot will ever be perfect. As long as the probability of crashing is lower compared to humans it's fine.

I would venture to say that Teslas have saved more lives than they have taken.

 

[syed putra]

toyota will eventually upend tesla with higher volumes of sale due to their global presence and brand awareness. gobbledygook google signs a partnership deal with tesla as waymo goes nowhere and is truly fucked up trying to chalk millions of mileage with test vehicles. meanwhile tesla's owners-drivers are already chalking up billions of miles in real life traffic situations all over the world. that data is more important to google than competing with tesla itself on autonomous driving. just like google pays apple billions to have its search engine on ios, google teams up with tesla to suck up its data. why don't they design their own vehicle, outsource manufacturing, and sell it? nothing beats real data from millions of drivers driving billions of miles per week.

Those guys with real data are visa and MasterCard. But nobody sppreciates them ss they are " bricks and mortar".

 

[saynotomsm]

 

[syed putra]

Tesla will become just another Ford

Tesla is not about making cars.
They are there to sell their carbon credits.

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Tesla Inc.’s business selling regulatory credits to automakers that need help complying with emissions rules will keep on booming this year, according to Credit Suisse.
Regulatory credit revenue probably will rise to $2 billion from about $1.4 billion in 2020, analyst Dan Levy predicted in a note previewing Tesla’s quarterly earnings Wednesday. He wrote that his estimate for 2021 is higher than consensus of $1.3 billion.

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Tesla's revenue from regulatory credits has been on the rise

Sources: Tesla filings, Credit Suisse

Sources: Tesla filings, Credit Suisse

A surge in regulatory-credit revenue had been a major factor in Tesla’s streak of quarterly profits that’s sent shares soaring and made the stock eligible for the S&P 500. Levy suggested in his note that Europe’s stricter limits on automotive carbon-dioxide emissions will present an opportunity for the company this year.

 

[Eisenhut]

TMD, charge need min 20min. If all charges station occupied, limbei must drink how many cups of coffee?

Hydrogen cell technology better

 

[syed putra]

I'd rather put my money on diesel build in thailand.
Can upgrade to green bio diesel.
Planese are already doing this.
For some strange reason, palm oil, only a certain portion is considered green.