TJS - uniting or splitting (further) opposition?

[Perspective]

So, Tan Jee Say wants to unite the opposition. The recent mandarin activity at AMK supposedly involving NSP, SPP, SDP and RP does resemble his "unity".

We have loyalists of TJS in all of them. If TJS, himself formerly from SDP, forms a new party with the SDP ones close to him (ML, AYG, JL), SPP (BP, WL, JL), NSP (NS, JC) and RP (Mansor) - instead of 4 parties with 40 people, we now have 5 parties with 40 people. Even more split.

Even if no one moves, there would be mistrust given that those close to him will be seen by the rest as not too loyal.

All opposition members should not be fooled by this man. Especially if you are against WP being the only opposition - you split more, PAP and WP will eat up your space more.

 

[OverTheCounter]

All opposition members should not be fooled by this man. Especially if you are against WP being the only opposition - you split more, PAP and WP will eat up your space more.

Even without TJS, WP will still want to eat everyone else up. So what's new.

Only PAP, WP and SDP have a firm ideological backing. PAP is elitist, anti-welfare, right wing, pro-business. WP is centrist. SDP is left wing, socialist, egalitarian, pro human rights, pro democracy, and pro-labour.

Everyone should just choose one of the 3, and unite behind these 3.

 

[Perspective]

Even without TJS, WP will still want to eat everyone else up. So what's new.

Only PAP, WP and SDP have a firm ideological backing. PAP is elitist, anti-welfare, right wing, pro-business. WP is centrist. SDP is left wing, socialist, egalitarian, pro human rights, pro democracy, and pro-labour.

Everyone should just choose one of the 3, and unite behind these 3.

Agree. But can I say just unite between 2 and 3.

 

[gobuster]

SPP and RP not likely survive on their own. They either join TJS or die.
SDP can do without the 3.
NSP will go nowhere without the ex-RP. If TJS get the ex-RP, NSP may be forced to join.

 

[brocoli]

So, Tan Jee Say wants to unite the opposition. The recent mandarin activity at AMK supposedly involving NSP, SPP, SDP and RP does resemble his "unity".

We have loyalists of TJS in all of them. If TJS, himself formerly from SDP, forms a new party with the SDP ones close to him (ML, AYG, JL), SPP (BP, WL, JL), NSP (NS, JC) and RP (Mansor) - instead of 4 parties with 40 people, we now have 5 parties with 40 people. Even more split.

Even if no one moves, there would be mistrust given that those close to him will be seen by the rest as not too loyal.

All opposition members should not be fooled by this man. Especially if you are against WP being the only opposition - you split more, PAP and WP will eat up your space more.

thing are not so simple.... it is worse than you think

BP, WL, JL were helping Tan Cheng Bock... they reject TJS when he ask for endorsement...

Auntie CHiam is a MP, she will never follow TJS...

even in SDP... Vincent and James are hardcore SDP.. they wont follow...

KJ in RP wun join with ex-RP....

without SPP Chiam and RP KJ sarpork.... the alliance is even weaker than you think...

 

[Fook Seng]

I just wonder whether BP, WL, JL and DT were waiting for the chance to quit and the opportunity now presents itself. You got the feeling that putting Mrs Chiam in PP was done without due consideration for the long term future of the party.

 

[metalrover]

Thought the walkabout did not include SDP, who doing their own cny outreach.

 

[GoldenDragon]

I've said this before - opposition unity is a madman's notion.

 

[scroobal]

There are enough wards to see more parties with their own version of politics emerge. You need a few parties even within opposition to raise quality and force competition. More parties will see more quality individuals come forth who might not like what some of the mainstream opposition do. I would like to see alot more seats in opposition hands but it need not be all be with WP or with just two of three opposition parties.

Democracy has not developed sufficiently to have 2 party systems. A case in point is the recent GE. WP was not prepared tp accept some quality candidates at the last minute but SDP and NSP were prepared even though these candidates' personalities are not or may not be in line with SDP and NSP ideology. Even RP which failed spectacularly attracted quite a number of individuals into politics who might not have stepped forward if RP did not exist. They eventually did not contest under RP banner but they were initially drawn in because of RP first impressions.

At this stage of Singapore politics, i am more concerned with bringing in more quality personalities who can join a couple of opposition parties whose ideology may or may not be there but they provide a purpose of providing a forum, a magnet etc to draw them in and then provide the necessary logistical support.

Opposition parties themselves have little or no importance at this stage of political lifecycle. If Chee and VW left SDP, there is no way John Tan and SDP would be recognised. If LTK and Sylvia left WP, I think even with CSM, the party would struggle. Just look at SPP. It was never a party per se. It was one man and a few supporters.

We just don't have the critical mass in terms of personalities to see a few parties exist. So unify the opposition within one or two parties should not be priority but envouraging variety and numbers to draw out more effective political opposition candidates has to be the priority.

Ther is also the issue of having more than one tiger in one mountain. The Chee / Chiam is a classic. So lets have more than one mountain so we can have more tigers. Overtime, we can cull or band which ever serves the next stage of political maturity.

 

[brocoli]

There are enough wards to see more parties with their own version of politics emerge. You need a few parties even within opposition to raise quality and force competition. More parties will see more quality individuals come forth who might not like what some of the mainstream opposition do. I would like to see alot more seats in opposition hands but it need not be all be with WP or with just two of three opposition parties.

Democracy has not developed sufficiently to have 2 party systems. A case in point is the recent GE. WP was not prepared tp accept some quality candidates at the last minute but SDP and NSP were prepared even though these candidates' personalities are not or may not be in line with SDP and NSP ideology. Even RP which failed spectacularly attracted quite a number of individuals into politics who might not have stepped forward if RP did not exist. They eventually did not contest under RP banner but they were initially drawn in because of RP first impressions.

At this stage of Singapore politics, i am more concerned with bringing in more quality personalities who can join a couple of opposition parties whose ideology may or may not be there but they provide a purpose of providing a forum, a magnet etc to draw them in and then provide the necessary logistical support.

Opposition parties themselves have little or no importance at this stage of political lifecycle. If Chee and VW left SDP, there is no way John Tan and SDP would be recognised. If LTK and Sylvia left WP, I think even with CSM, the party would struggle. Just look at SPP. It was never a party per se. It was one man and a few supporters.

We just don't have the critical mass in terms of personalities to see a few parties exist. So unify the opposition within one or two parties should not be priority but envouraging variety and numbers to draw out more effective political opposition candidates has to be the priority.

Ther is also the issue of having more than one tiger in one mountain. The Chee / Chiam is a classic. So lets have more than one mountain so we can have more tigers. Overtime, we can cull or band which ever serves the next stage of political maturity.

this is the dumbest post I ever read.....

2 party system = 1st world parliament...
encouraging variety and numbers = stillborn democracy...

it better to have no democracy than stillborn democracy....

no democracy may bloom into democracy someday.... stillborn democracy, on the other hand will always be stillborn

 

[Fook Seng]

this is the dumbest post I ever read.....

2 party system = 1st world parliament...
encouraging variety and numbers = stillborn democracy...

it better to have no democracy than stillborn democracy....

no democracy may bloom into democracy someday.... stillborn democracy, on the other hand will always be stillborn

You are the proseutor, defendant and judge all rolled in one. Even LKY has to bow down to you .

 

[brocoli]

There are enough wards to see more parties with their own version of politics emerge. You need a few parties even within opposition to raise quality and force competition. More parties will see more quality individuals come forth who might not like what some of the mainstream opposition do. I would like to see alot more seats in opposition hands but it need not be all be with WP or with just two of three opposition parties.

Democracy has not developed sufficiently to have 2 party systems. A case in point is the recent GE. WP was not prepared tp accept some quality candidates at the last minute but SDP and NSP were prepared even though these candidates' personalities are not or may not be in line with SDP and NSP ideology. Even RP which failed spectacularly attracted quite a number of individuals into politics who might not have stepped forward if RP did not exist. They eventually did not contest under RP banner but they were initially drawn in because of RP first impressions.

At this stage of Singapore politics, i am more concerned with bringing in more quality personalities who can join a couple of opposition parties whose ideology may or may not be there but they provide a purpose of providing a forum, a magnet etc to draw them in and then provide the necessary logistical support.

Opposition parties themselves have little or no importance at this stage of political lifecycle. If Chee and VW left SDP, there is no way John Tan and SDP would be recognised. If LTK and Sylvia left WP, I think even with CSM, the party would struggle. Just look at SPP. It was never a party per se. It was one man and a few supporters.

We just don't have the critical mass in terms of personalities to see a few parties exist. So unify the opposition within one or two parties should not be priority but envouraging variety and numbers to draw out more effective political opposition candidates has to be the priority.

Ther is also the issue of having more than one tiger in one mountain. The Chee / Chiam is a classic. So lets have more than one mountain so we can have more tigers. Overtime, we can cull or band which ever serves the next stage of political maturity.

but I am not done yet

.... so this is how despo you guys are..... last min quality individuals parachuting in as candidates.... if they were real serious why not slog it out for 5 or 6 years like Choon Yong and Lilian....?????

why must appear last minute....

so you are so despo that you wan candidate whose personalities are not or may not be in line with party to join the election as the party flat bearer ....

how expedient??? and what will end with?? CHiam Style politics. fragmented opposition, internal backstabbing... like in the 90s...

look at Alec TOk.... what a fuckin idiot ..... he think politics is a child play.... where the fuck is he now,,,, you wan this guy as your MP....? tell me honestly

you guys continue with the "I will vote for any monkey as long as he is not PAP" and that is exactly what you will get
Monkeys

We need all the candidates to unite under 1 flag, 1 party to form a 2 party system ..... if quality individuals are so good they will swallow the indignity of not being the leader and learning to work with other for a change.... otherwise get the fuck out...

 

[captainxerox]

but I am not done yet

.... so this is how despo you guys are..... last min quality individuals parachuting in as candidates.... if they were real serious why not slog it out for 5 or 6 years like Choon Yong and Lilian....?????

why must appear last minute....

so you are so despo that you wan candidate whose personalities are not or may not be in line with party to join the election as the party flat bearer ....

how expedient??? and what will end with?? CHiam Style politics. fragmented opposition, internal backstabbing... like in the 90s...

look at Alec TOk.... what a fuckin idiot ..... he think politics is a child play.... where the fuck is he now,,,, you wan this guy as your MP....? tell me honestly

you guys continue with the "I will vote for any monkey as long as he is not PAP" and that is exactly what you will get
Monkeys

We need all the candidates to unite under 1 flag, 1 party to form a 2 party system ..... if quality individuals are so good they will swallow the indignity of not being the leader and learning to work with other for a change.... otherwise get the fuck out...

cannot work with each other coz the current leaders of the parties remember the 90s till now, old grievances. cst remembers he was from sdp before. csj remembers that he is termed a mad dog before by wp. until the next generation takes over, oppo party coalition (never a unity) must wait.

 

[Perspective]

cannot work with each other coz the current leaders of the parties remember the 90s till now, old grievances. cst remembers he was from sdp before. csj remembers that he is termed a mad dog before by wp. until the next generation takes over, oppo party coalition (never a unity) must wait.

The next generation will continue the problems with new issues. Eg. the village insect. Politicians are of same mould, it's whether they know what it takes to be successful or not.

 

[captainxerox]

The next generation will continue the problems with new issues. Eg. the village insect. Politicians are of same mould, it's whether they know what it takes to be successful or not.

true. so far they think playing together is the key to being successful. this is right, but not totally on the mark. neither is social media campaign, important but not everything. they might get the right people, get the right policies, but ultimately what they lack is just branding. nsp had it for a while and lost it. rp also. sdp has a fantastic one, but not enough people buy it. wp branding as "old school pap" not bad still despite the creeping occasional bad pr once they entered centre stage.