Time to disband Chiam's Singapore People's Party

[Fearless Jedi]

LWL as Her/His Majesty?

Chaim is basically a delusional character. He thinks that he is a a political heavyweight. The truth is that he is the ideal opposition. No bark, no bite and no brains. What has Chiam really done?? The honest truth is that besides showing his mathematical incompetence and batting his eyes. A complete NOTHING. He has the audacity to think that he stood a chance out of PP. Like the frog who jumped out of his pond suddenly realised how big the lake is , drowns. PP is not Chiam's legacy. he was there because LKY knew that he was and is more more than a kitten and left him there. If Chiam were capable, LKY would have send someone else there to take the seat. He didn't bother because he knew better than that. Chiam See Tong is a complete loser who could not even keep his house in order. The PAP would spare no effort tearing down down those who has the ability to stand against them, JBJ, CSJ FS and many others whom I sure all of you know. Except Chaim See Tong because he is a useless nothing. Let the truth be made known.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Time to disband the following parties: SPP; SDA; PPP; RP & SUF. All may be well-meaning and fighting the opposition's cause but realistically, they are weak (financially or otherwise), ill-structured; incompetent and worst of all, fronted by egoistic and self-important chaps singing the same old song of resistance. They are perpetual no-hopers, providing sideshows & street entertainment come election time.

WP SDP & NSP should carry on the fight!

I reccomend putting all the leaders of the useless opposition political parties into a jungle or arena like battleground and have them slug it out ala battle royale or hunger games style.last man standing gets dibs on all

 

[KuanTi01]

I second that! A slugfest cum culling of ineffective leaders & politician wannabes.

 

[KuanTi01]

Chiam is a lightweight LKY -approved pseudo opposition. That explains his longevity. He is no threat to the PAP at all. Chiam always played it safe & cannot articulate well, stuttering & pretending to be a fighter for the underdogs in public. Beneath the public facade, he is just a sore loser, autocratic dictator & master illusionist full of self-importance & oh a very huge ego to boot! People misplaced their sympathy for him seeing him wheelchair-bound after a stroke. Thats because of his rich lifestyle not because of his sacrifices & struggles for the common people. The Chiams knows the hard truth behind his ouster from SDP but being the unforgiving & vindictive guy he is, he happily allows to this day to save his own face & protect his legacy let the myth perpetuate that Dr Chee usurped his throne! Lol. Fact is he was unanimously voted out. But being a lawyer he deliberately took the matter public & sue them in court for breach of the rules of natural justice. Dr Chee who was more popular internally was voted in to replace him & naturally became his object of hate & personal feud making him the scapegoat. Fact is nobody including his pioneer stalwarts want him as their leader anymore. Too hard to stomach & so the hatred & animosity remains! Great pretenders! And oh did they weep along & play the part of mourners on LKY' s very public funeral?

 

[virus]

based on the logic, the FAP should be disbanded and their current set of jiak liao bee leeders sent to p. hantu for exile since their leeders all die one all died. all paralysed and 1/2 dead one almost dead.

 

[virus]

Time to disband all political parties and convert Singapore to a Kingdom. It'll save everyone having to waste time going through the motions every 5 years and it will also allow government officials a chance to fuck around without having to resign when they get caught.

you are right. return to sultanate and kick out the useless chinkies. the native malays can do without them.

 

[winnipegjets]

After 51 years of PAP rule, a revolution is necessary to rid the PAP scums.

 

[Rogue Trader]

you are right. return to sultanate and kick out the useless chinkies. the native malays can do without them.

And all male Burmese should be rounded up, castrated and forced to serve as gay whores in the istana

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

The problem is too many indian chiefs wanting their own territory. Kenneth Jeyaretnam, Goh Meng Seng, Tan Jee Say, Desmond Lim, and Lina Chiam do not want to be second in command. Most they will concede to is coming together under a common alliance to avoid 3 cornered fights and possibly share candidates. Even that is problematic when egos start clashing, as past events have shown.

You forgot to mention SF's Chia Ti Lik and, DPP's Benjamin Pwee, NSP's Sebastian Teo, and the always present but dunno which party he is from Seow Khee Leng. Can someone kindly update me if the latter is still moving around in political circles? I saw him last with Ng Teck Siong at China Town having coffee. I think that about sums up the "who's who of opposition politics". LOL!

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

It served its purpose as a vehicle for Chaim after the SDP leadership coup in 1992 and it served him and the residents of Potong Pasir well. Its fortunes has dipped since 2011 and in 2015 it performed well below par compared to others despite having some good candidates.

Its best that Ben Pwee and Jeantte Chong-Aruldoss and the team and supporters form a new party to attract like-minded individuals. DAP does not have a decent history but it does have some level of established opposition networks though ageing amongst the Chinese speaking segment of society. The party name and brand however would be a show stopper to bring in credible candidate material.

Singapore cannot accommodate many political parties due to size but it will at least need one other opposition party with some appreciable bench strength. 2011 and 2015 show that opposition candidates are out there but have difficulty finding the right party with the right platform. Existing parties are either tainted or personality driven such as SPP and does not help individual candidates to raise a reasonable profile.

Workers Party is seen as too rigid and too cautious as result of their past experience where they could have faced closure due to individual party members conduct. The gestation period of potential candidates in this time and age of comparatively more fluid movements does not attract enough candidates. It is therefore important that another quality party is formed. In 2011 SDP accommodated many quality candidates who were not party members but became one for convenience and it does show that there are people out there.

Chiam has served Singapore well for over two decades. Regardless of the dip in fortunes from 2011 onwards, his legacy will be remembered very positively. Lina was with him most of the journey and she shares the credit. Nonetheless, she seems to forget that her actions do impact on his legacy and it is unwise to allow herself to become a conduit for PAP to attack SDP. She has taken things too far.

It is in fact time for both Chee and Chiam to step back and let the next generation take over. Lina can still play a role but it must be one of focussing her gunfire on the PAP.

Apart from WP and SDP, there are too many fringe parties who will spoil the broth. Maybe NSP with its ability to garner the rejects of other parties still has a role to play, but SingFist, DPP, SDA, and RP? SingFirst has become the xenophobe party with the endorsement of Gilbert Goh and that is bad for Singapore. If there is a way to cull them please do share. Maybe WP, SDP and NSP should just blanket the island and force 3 cornered fights with all the smaller parties who will stand zero chance against these three.

WP has done the right thing by forging its own path. Low devoted a full half of a 20 minute speech at Lee Li Lian's PEBE rally explaining why WP was doing so I agreed fully. Until the others show they have mass appeal and can actually win seats, why bother getting yourself tarred through needless association?

 

[dr.wailing]

Small parties are like small businesses. That is why you vote for a brand name like PAP!

It only happens in Sinkieland where brand names are of paramount importance. Fortunately in my newly adopted country, we're much wiser.

 

[Fearless Jedi]

Chiam has served Singapore well for over two decades. Regardless of the dip in fortunes from 2011 onwards, his legacy will be remembered very positively. Lina was with him most of the journey and she shares the credit. Nonetheless, she seems to forget that her actions do impact on his legacy and it is unwise to allow herself to become a conduit for PAP to attack SDP. She has taken things too far.

It is in fact time for both Chee and Chiam to step back and let the next generation take over. Lina can still play a role but it must be one of focussing her gunfire on the PAP.

Apart from WP and SDP, there are too many fringe parties who will spoil the broth. Maybe NSP with its ability to garner the rejects of other parties still has a role to play, but SingFist, DPP, SDA, and RP? SingFirst has become the xenophobe party with the endorsement of Gilbert Goh and that is bad for Singapore. If there is a way to cull them please do share. Maybe WP, SDP and NSP should just blanket the island and force 3 cornered fights with all the smaller parties who will stand zero chance against these three.

WP has done the right thing by forging its own path. Low devoted a full half of a 20 minute speech at Lee Li Lian's PEBE rally explaining why WP was doing so I agreed fully. Until the others show they have mass appeal and can actually win seats, why bother getting yourself tarred through needless association?

Sorry but I need to correct you on that. Chiam has NEVER served Singapore nor the residents of PP. Its is the other round. The residents of PP has served Chiam See Tong too well. They were an ignorant bunch of people. When Lina lost the election, they made a big deal of the simple table that he used throughout his whole term. The truth is that he was too selfish to spend n the PP residents during the meet the people sessions. While the supposedly humble table was used, all the money he received from his MP's pay went to upgrade his own private residence. The truth is that he did not even had the welfare and comfort of those who sought to see him. he rather spend whaever money on himself.
He had fools believing that he drove a humble VW. He was actually enjoying a Mercedes, I saw this personally. Please don't tell me that he was a great lawyer . He was below average and I am sure that he didn't have a strong income from his practice. Would you even trust him to represent you in court at all? No decent person with an average IQ would. He will take you to the cleaners and lost the case for you in court. At the end of it if you show him your displeasure, he will think of himself as LKY and sue you. You would probably end up a bankrupt.

Come on. Let be objective and let the facts speak fore themselves. CST is a complete loser. Even at this time he has no qualms joining hand with the ruling party to hit CSJ below the belt. Power corrupts and absolute power definitely corrupts??? Does he even know what this means?? In his myopic mind, he thinks that he is an endorsed extension of PAP. What an absolute idiot! Singaporeans one and all must know what a fraud this man is. I don't take pleasure is writing this but this man must be exposed for the real person that he was. Let's not be blindsided to the truth.


Over and out

 

[dr.wailing]

Time to disband all political parties and convert Singapore to a Kingdom. It'll save everyone having to waste time going through the motions every 5 years and it will also allow government officials a chance to fuck around without having to resign when they get caught.

Totally agree. Singapore has always been the kingdom of Familee; it exists in fact but not in name.

 

[Rogue Trader]

... I don't take pleasure is writing this but this man must be exposed for the real person that he was. Let's not be blindsided to the truth.
..

Wow. why don't you also accuse Mr Chiam of molesting you when you were a little girl?

what a crock of shit

 

[hsienloong]

Between a credible new political party taking shape and contesting against the PAP & the WP, and a split in the PAP, I reckon we have a better chance for the latter to happen. But someone needs to challenge Pinky first. With LKY gone, that task should be easier. Tharman is a good candidate.

Tarman where got the balls, the whole cabinet all enuchies.
Who dare to challenge the naturale airistocat? All BO CHI!
LHL already established the control as planned.

 

[scroobal]

Have to disagree. Chiam gave the PAP a hard time when he first entered Parliament. He was not into histrionics but the questions were penetrating and the Govt had to scramble to find the right answer. After a single term, they realised that their confrontational style was making them look bad. It was Chiam that wanted to move a private bill to make primary school education which at that time was not and the Govt panicked. They quickly moved the bill and it became law. His long running saga over HDB prices was well known.

There is no way an entire constituency would return Chiam each and every time he stood unless he stood for something and made a mark. The voters in PP were offered all sorts of incentives each time they went to the polls and they snubbed the PAP.

The reason that I suggested that he close down SPP was that it was no longer effective and this is where Chiam weakness is, the inability to create a succession plan. His wife is not up to the mark. And more importantly there is no clear sign of rejuvenation and continuity.

Sorry but I need to correct you on that. Chiam has NEVER served Singapore nor the residents of PP. Its is the other round. The residents of PP has served Chiam See Tong too well. They were an ignorant bunch of people. When Lina lost the election, they made a big deal of the simple table that he used throughout his whole term. The truth is that he was too selfish to spend n the PP residents during the meet the people sessions. While the supposedly humble table was used, all the money he received from his MP's pay went to upgrade his own private residence. The truth is that he did not even had the welfare and comfort of those who sought to see him. he rather spend whaever money on himself.
He had fools believing that he drove a humble VW. He was actually enjoying a Mercedes, I saw this personally. Please don't tell me that he was a great lawyer . He was below average and I am sure that he didn't have a strong income from his practice. Would you even trust him to represent you in court at all? No decent person with an average IQ would. He will take you to the cleaners and lost the case for you in court. At the end of it if you show him your displeasure, he will think of himself as LKY and sue you. You would probably end up a bankrupt.

Come on. Let be objective and let the facts speak fore themselves. CST is a complete loser. Even at this time he has no qualms joining hand with the ruling party to hit CSJ below the belt. Power corrupts and absolute power definitely corrupts??? Does he even know what this means?? In his myopic mind, he thinks that he is an endorsed extension of PAP. What an absolute idiot! Singaporeans one and all must know what a fraud this man is. I don't take pleasure is writing this but this man must be exposed for the real person that he was. Let's not be blindsided to the truth.


Over and out

 

[scroobal]

No matter how you slice and dice this, it was a party coup and it was a direct result of the Chee's hunger strike. They chose Chee over Chiam. Yes, it was unanimous and they thought they had a ready leader in Chee and gambled on it. In essence thats fine and that the way organisations resolve disputes and clear roadblocks. To me the fault lies clearly with Chiam as he brought in the CEC and the manner he ran the party. And he paid the price. He thus started on a new journey.

However for Chee and SDP did it pay out in the short or the long term. Look at what happened to the CEC and the people who voted against Chiam since the ouster. Where are they? Look at the 2006 GE when the entire CEC went against Chee and his sister. And some of them complained to the press bitterly including Ling. People were shocked by what was said in the press.

The ouster took place nearly 24 years ago. What happened to the party since then. Not a single candidate has crossed he 40% mark. Look at the retention factor and look at the present make-up. Do you even know who cast the most influence over Chee in last 10 years. Why did the 2011 candidates who joined the party that year all leave.

You might have a leg to stand on with your post if the ouster took place recently but Chee had 24 years to rebuild with the members of the CEC that unanimously outvoted Chiam and start his own journey. Chaim was no longer a part of SDP and was history.

Chiam is a lightweight LKY -approved pseudo opposition. That explains his longevity. He is no threat to the PAP at all. Chiam always played it safe & cannot articulate well, stuttering & pretending to be a fighter for the underdogs in public. Beneath the public facade, he is just a sore loser, autocratic dictator & master illusionist full of self-importance & oh a very huge ego to boot! People misplaced their sympathy for him seeing him wheelchair-bound after a stroke. Thats because of his rich lifestyle not because of his sacrifices & struggles for the common people. The Chiams knows the hard truth behind his ouster from SDP but being the unforgiving & vindictive guy he is, he happily allows to this day to save his own face & protect his legacy let the myth perpetuate that Dr Chee usurped his throne! Lol. Fact is he was unanimously voted out. But being a lawyer he deliberately took the matter public & sue them in court for breach of the rules of natural justice. Dr Chee who was more popular internally was voted in to replace him & naturally became his object of hate & personal feud making him the scapegoat. Fact is nobody including his pioneer stalwarts want him as their leader anymore. Too hard to stomach & so the hatred & animosity remains! Great pretenders! And oh did they weep along & play the part of mourners on LKY' s very public funeral?

 

[Macroeconomics101]

Chaim is basically a delusional character. He thinks that he is a a political heavyweight. The truth is that he is the ideal opposition. No bark, no bite and no brains. What has Chiam really done?? The honest truth is that besides showing his mathematical incompetence and batting his eyes. A complete NOTHING. He has the audacity to think that he stood a chance out of PP. Like the frog who jumped out of his pond suddenly realised how big the lake is , drowns. PP is not Chiam's legacy. he was there because LKY knew that he was and is more more than a kitten and left him there. If Chiam were capable, LKY would have send someone else there to take the seat. He didn't bother because he knew better than that. Chiam See Tong is a complete loser who could not even keep his house in order. The PAP would spare no effort tearing down down those who has the ability to stand against them, JBJ, CSJ FS and many others whom I sure all of you know. Except Chaim See Tong because he is a useless nothing. Let the truth be made known.

From all your postings in this thread I can tell you are as idealistic and naive as the SDP/Chee. Despite all the things you and KuanTi have written about Chiam, people hold him in high regard. He was returned to PP for six consecutive elections. Chee Soon Juan has not even won a single one. You can't help the people of SG by being a rebel like JBJ and FS. These are only remembered as firebrand political figures but how have they galvanized the people? How have they raised issues that forced the government to respond? Chiam See Tong galvanized PP and also forced the govt to respond in Parliament. He was the architect of the 1991 by election effect which saw Low Thia Khiang get into Parliament for the first time. Without Low there would be no Aljunied and without Chiam there would be no Low. Despite numerous catastrophic mistakes made by the opposition as a whole these two were standing tall until GE 2011 when their paths diverged. Even though Low went on to take down a GRC and soar to even greater heights whilst Chiam was denied Bishan-TP, people think no less of Chiam as a result.

In politics it is results and impression that count, not how hard hitting you are. When you talk to the older generation, they talk about good things that Chiam did years ago. But they will say bad things about what Chee did years ago. Who has a better legacy? Chee has written more books and attended more international conferences and been the most hard hitting man in town, but it is Chiam whom they speak fondly of. Who would you rather be?

 

[scroobal]

Fringe and peripheral parties are more than welcome as they do play a part in creating a nursery and allowing certain interest to be raised and kept in the public eye when mainstream parties are tied down to their respective strategies. The better individuals can move to the mainstream parties or these fringe parties can blossom into a mainstream ones. There is also a segment of society that need fire and brimstone politicians and this need can be addressed by these parties. Even if a single individual makes Parliament it is still a plus.

The main concern is that we need a second mainstream party in opposition besides the WP and there are some good quality candidates that emerged in 2011 and have done well but are now adrift. I expect WP to consolidate and continue building but there is still room for a less conservative mainstream party. It will also help WP as seen in 2011 when NSP and SDP slate provided must ballast and firepower directed at the PAP - the multiplier effect.

NSP and SDP however in 2011 were fuelled not by party stalwarts but outside blood who have since left both parties. I don't see either of these two progressing based on history and activities in recent years. Both their leaders are also tainted and strategically poor and it will too much a burden to carry.

As for SDA, RP and Singfirst, I think its a whole different ballgame. The leaders of the first 2 have lost their deposits. KJ would make an excellent observer and pundit in the field of economics and he can proof his worth as a constant thorn on the side of the PAP. Tan Jee Say's party formation was disappointing. It came across as a retirees club. He is also on the overseas speakers circuit and I suspect this is his main post retirement focus and he need the political hustings for fodder.

C
Apart from WP and SDP, there are too many fringe parties who will spoil the broth. Maybe NSP with its ability to garner the rejects of other parties still has a role to play, but SingFist, DPP, SDA, and RP? SingFirst has become the xenophobe party with the endorsement of Gilbert Goh and that is bad for Singapore. If there is a way to cull them please do share. Maybe WP, SDP and NSP should just blanket the island and force 3 cornered fights with all the smaller parties who will stand zero chance against these three.

 

[Agoraphobic]

As much as I hate to say so, it is evident that the people in Singapore want the PAP to rule and tell them their future is secure. If not, they would have voted the opposition. A revolution in Singapore? No way. Life is too comfortable here to sacrifice what the people hold dear, the thought of their capable leaders guiding them. They can't bear to live in another realm.

Cheers!

After 51 years of PAP rule, a revolution is necessary to rid the PAP scums.