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Three legged NTU Prof said fear of bigger population unwarranted

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[h=1]Concerns on immigration ‘based on fallacies’: NTU prof[/h]





  • Professor Ng Yew Kwang speaks on his opposition to anti-immigration policies in this year's Budget.


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An economics professor has spoken up to dispel what he perceives to be misconceptions on immigration and Singapore having a bigger population.

Among these, says Nanyang Technological University’s Winsemius Chair Professor of Economics Ng Yew Kwang, are the ones that make people oppose the idea of a larger population for Singapore — congestion, as well as the depletion of existing resources and the crowding out of locals.

“These views are largely based on fallacies, on mistaken ideas,” said Ng, who spoke as a panellist on Thursday evening at a forum by the Economic Society of Singapore on the government’s new budget.

“When you are in a crowded MRT or congested on the road, it’s natural to say that if the number of cars is halved, if the number of passengers is halved, then how nice would it be,” he said.

“So people then blame congestion... this is mistaken. I think we should also think, if each person pays the same tax, same amount to spend on the road, if we halve the number of people, then the width of the road will probably also be halved, then you’re going to have more congestion, not less.

“And with half the number of people, you can’t have so many MRT routes, and the number of bus frequencies would also be very small,” he added.

Turning to capital investment and resources, Ng argued that development and technological advancement is more likely to take place in a densely-populated city, as opposed to the sparsely-populated countryside.

“And on the same earth, is it the sparsely-populated Africa or the most densely-populated continent Europe that has higher per capita income? And the spectacular scientific and technological advancements and the industrial revolution, did it take place in sparse Africa or did it take place in the densely populated Western Europe? So the anti-population (argument) is fallacious.”

Turning to the argument that a country’s per capita resources decrease with a larger population, Ng responded that immigrants “cannot take away the resources that are owned by Singaporeans and the Singapore government without payment”.

“In fact, with more people coming in, the higher demand pushes up the prices of things owned by locals, and pushes down the input price of immigrants, and make locals better off. Seen in another way, with more people coming in, the local people have more people to cooperate, supplement them and increase their productivity — this is true even in the absence of economies of scale and in the presence of pollution and congestion,” he added.

Therefore, said Ng, the intensified measures to curb the influx of foreign workers in this year’s budget are “not only bad for Singapore but also bad for Singaporeans”.

“It’s like a tax on imports of services, and this is against free trade, which is good for Singapore,” he explained, adding that even though his view is very unpopular he felt he had to say it “because it is the correct view”.

Asked later on about the negative impact of lower-skilled foreign workers crowding out lower-income Singaporeans who compete for the same jobs, Ng acknowledged this, but maintained that the overall impact for Singaporeans as a whole is still a good one.

“If you have immigration of low-skilled workers then it’s good for Singaporeans as a whole, but it’s bad for unskilled Singaporeans because it depresses the wage rates,” he said. “Then it may be bad in terms of happiness and welfare terms. I’m still in favour of an immigration policy, but then it has to be supplemented by help to the poor.”

Ng said he would elaborate further on his views at the ESS’s next forum on Monday, where he will join other panellists to discuss the government’s controversial population white paper.


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Leepotism

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“And on the same earth, is it the sparsely-populated Africa or the most densely-populated continent Europe that has higher per capita income? And the spectacular scientific and technological advancements and the industrial revolution, did it take place in sparse Africa or did it take place in the densely populated Western Europe? So the anti-population (argument) is fallacious.”

What a crap of logic. Why didn't he also quote the Sahara desert?
 

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“When you are in a crowded MRT or congested on the road, it’s natural to say that if the number of cars is halved, if the number of passengers is halved, then how nice would it be,” he said.
“So people then blame congestion... this is mistaken. I think we should also think, if each person pays the same tax, same amount to spend on the road, if we halve the number of people, then the width of the road will probably also be halved, then you’re going to have more congestion, not less.
“And with half the number of people, you can’t have so many MRT routes, and the number of bus frequencies would also be very small,” he added.

Before the entry of 2.3 million foreigners, the trains were not that congested ...it was manageable. The operators of MRT were profitable then. The problem of congestion is due to under investment as the system can't cope with the sudden influx.

Reducing the population back to 3.3 million would indeed reduce congestion with NO impact on the operators of the MRT. The MRT routes were increased prior to the sudden influx of foreigners. It is because of this influx that the system is collapsing and it will take, according the SMRT CEO, five years to address the current problems.

This charlatan got it wrong. Another attempt by the PAP to use a so-called bought academic to con the people.

Turning to capital investment and resources, Ng argued that development and technological advancement is more likely to take place in a densely-populated city, as opposed to the sparsely-populated countryside.

Capital investment didn't happen with the population at 5.3 million, so what is there to say that it will happen at 5.9 million? Don't use the 'trust us' crap ...because trust is based on track record.
If his contention is sound, he should explain how the Scandinavian countries, with small population, is able to do so well.

And on the same earth, is it the sparsely-populated Africa or the most densely-populated continent Europe that has higher per capita income? And the spectacular scientific and technological advancements and the industrial revolution, did it take place in sparse Africa or did it take place in the densely populated Western Europe? So the anti-population (argument) is fallacious.”
There are other factors at play here ...not solely population.

Turning to the argument that a country’s per capita resources decrease with a larger population, Ng responded that immigrants “cannot take away the resources that are owned by Singaporeans and the Singapore government without payment”.
But it has been happening. Foreigners take up citizenship just to enjoy the perks. Then when they have rape the country, the return home. Likewise for PRs. If that is not decreasing the country's per capita resources, what is? The higher the population, the less for everyone. We do not begrudge those born in sinkapore for sharing the pie. We resent the foreigners who took up citizenship so that they can enjoy the perks and then return to their homeland after raking in. Look at the table tennis players as examples.

“In fact, with more people coming in, the higher demand pushes up the prices of things owned by locals, and pushes down the input price of immigrants, and make locals better off. Seen in another way, with more people coming in, the local people have more people to cooperate, supplement them and increase their productivity — this is true even in the absence of economies of scale and in the presence of pollution and congestion,” he added.
How are locals better of when their wages are depressed by the influx of cheap foreigners? How are locals spending power increased when everything goes up? We see that housing is getting more unaffordable - paying $400k for a 4-room flat. And the flats are shrinking in size!
Productivity doesn't go up when business is relying on cheap labour. There is no incentive to invest in capital equipment.
Foreigners cooperating with locals? Has he not seen the contempt shown by foreigners towards sinkees? Even the foreign PMETs think sinkees are unworthy beings!


“It’s like a tax on imports of services, and this is against free trade, which is good for Singapore,” he explained, adding that even though his view is very unpopular he felt he had to say it “because it is the correct view”.
Free trade is bad. Managed trade is good. Free trade creates losers and winners. Managed trade create a balanced, sharing the gains from a larger pie.
He appointed himself as god. Typical PAPpy.

Asked later on about the negative impact of lower-skilled foreign workers crowding out lower-income Singaporeans who compete for the same jobs, Ng acknowledged this, but maintained that the overall impact for Singaporeans as a whole is still a good one.
When faced with specifics, he replied with generalities because he can't argue against it!

“If you have immigration of low-skilled workers then it’s good for Singaporeans as a whole, but it’s bad for unskilled Singaporeans because it depresses the wage rates,” he said. “Then it may be bad in terms of happiness and welfare terms. I’m still in favour of an immigration policy, but then it has to be supplemented by help to the poor.”
Immigration doesn't impact the poor as much as on the working and the middle class - the PMET group. Why do we need to import tens of thousands of nurses when there are sinkees willing and capable to do that job? The import of cheap foreign workers is to depress local wages. How does sinkapore benefit from this when at least 50 percent of the money paid to foreigners are remitted, thus draining the consumption capacity of the economy, and the locals are deprived of good paying jobs?
He doesn't even know what is the issue.

This academic should sign onto this board for us to debate him. What a moron!
 

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[h=1]Concerns on immigration ‘based on fallacies’: NTU prof[/h]





  • Professor Ng Yew Kwang speaks on his opposition to anti-immigration policies in this year's Budget.


This old fucking bastard's son was my uni classmate and according to him, the old fucker is hoping to get his tenure extended when it runs out soon.

The way he shamefully conducts himself, his tenure will be renewed.
 

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What a waste of our time to read this nonsense from a lunatic.

He says if we halve the number of people, then we HAVE to halve the road lanes? Reduce the number of MRT routes?

He makes it sound like the roads and MRT tracks are built on LEGO BLOCKS!! So easily removable and placed back into storage!!

And why didn't he address the other issues of housing? Furthermore, has he been to the malls of towns where large numbers of ppl dwell? Come to Tampines, and see the number of ppl on a weekday.. then tell ME that there is NO OVERCROWDING!!

This kind of professor is receiving money that we, the taxpayers are contributing to? Diu Lei Gor Lor Yau La!!!!
 
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Could Peppercrab arrange for this charlatan to debate us? Of course, Peppercrab can be the moderator. No statistics please as we don't trust the official stats from government. If he wishes to use examples, only developed countries from the West should be considered.
 

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this motherfucker only wants his contract renewed,,,,,, knn think sinkees are a bunch of fools to listen to his crap. wa lan eh this one takes the cake for talking cock
 

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yes, he is perfectly right

If you base on quality of living means more money.

PAP should change their logo from lighting to dollar sign. It will suit them better.
 

winnipegjets

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PAPpies here should sent this moron academic our invitation to debate his views here. We will be civil; I won't call him a moron. And we have the rising star Peppercrab to moderate the debate.

Come on, PAPpies, bring him on. We, loonies are keen to rebut his moronic ideas with our loony pov. This will be better than the sinkapore parliamentary debate.
 

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He is looking at it in purely economic terms. Singapore and Singaporeans grew as an entrepot and those principles with the influx of foreigners are nothing new. It has been out model since Raffles set things in motion.

It becomes an issue when locals become disenfranchised, lose the opportunities and then the jobs or become underemployed. It is pointless for assets to increase in value when the beneficiaries are increasing confined to a narrow segment of society and foreigners.

Really worrying when he holds such a position when he does not even realise why the angst on a pretty successful economic model. Yes, successful but the beneficiaries unfortunately are not the voters.
 
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quality of life is not just money, true that more FT and cheap bangla = more money for singapore as a whole
but quality of life is also space, public service that works, less crime, cheaper affordable housing, MRT not pack like sardine. getting a job and well paid job.

that is why the west have better quality of life even thought their GDP is less than singapore.
Does PAP even know what is quality of life?
 

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I fullly agree with this professor. Singapore will indeed be better off with more immigrants.
 

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All these academics in local universities are bought and paid for by the PAP establishment.

If you don't believe me, read some of their alumni publications. The articles and photos in them would have you believe they're the Petir magazine.
 

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Last of the farters of Leegime. Today' his kind of economics is better framed in the field of sociology which is more empirical than his days in the 70s in Aussieland. It is a fallacy to believe that he would have any real know how on solving economic problems. These days with biochemistry, it is easier to split a hair into sub parts than listen to a on the one hand while on the other hand economics economics snake oil man talk
 

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“And on the same earth, is it the sparsely-populated Africa or the most densely-populated continent Europe that has higher per capita income? And the spectacular scientific and technological advancements and the industrial revolution, did it take place in sparse Africa or did it take place in the densely populated Western Europe? So the anti-population (argument) is fallacious.”

What a crap of logic. Why didn't he also quote the Sahara desert?

Next time he should also quote Greenland..
 
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