The Water Margin

[moolightaffairs]

水浒传 in simplified Chinese.

http://www.shuku.net/novels/shuihu/shuihu.html

杨家将 in simplified Chinese.

http://www.shuku.net:8082/novels/classic/yangjia/yangjia.html

 

[elephanto]

林冲 is the qiang bang zhong jiao tou, that means spear and stick chief instructor. got another chief instructor call wang jin, he came out in the beginning of the story. anyone remember what he specialize in?

Never mention leh, seemed to be well versed in all 18 weapons..
later become 'sifu' (NOT our forumer Sifu) of Shi Jin, taught him all 18 weapons. I think the only instance of him fighting is sparring with Shi Jin using a staff...

Also, Thks for good links from bro moonlighaffairs !

 

[elephanto]

In the Yang warriors, is the story mainly about the female warriors in the family?
My vague understanding of the story is that most of the males in the family died in battle. I think one of the sons went off to marry the daughter of one of their enemies, another one became a monk. Only one stayed to fight with the female warriors but eventually he died as well, didn't he?
In the tv series, most of the warriors were the wives of the dead brothers and also a sister whom they called "ba mei" or eighth sister. The family also had a loyal bodyguard who was in love with ba mei.

You are right re: above all except the 'loyal bodyguard' part, i am not so sure.
If you are interested in watching serials, best catch the China-made ones - most faithful to the original storyline. HK & Taiwan serials borrow the context & screw with the plot .... especially in the 'Cannonization of the Gods', I supposed because storyline is too long in original & budget not enough....

The Yang Family story really began with YangJiYe 杨继业， the patriach.

He is the general of Northern Han, one of the few states left in Song Tai Zu's quest to unite China under Song Dynasty. Yang defeated Song before & is a respected foe. When Song Tai Zhong, younger bro of the Emperor who had now succeeded him, finally conquered Northern Han & united China, he offered amnesty for Yang for his bravery & loyalty. Old Man Yang accepted & remained at the outpost to guard against the Northern Huns.

His death to the Huns due to one jealous Song General 潘 Pan who deliberately did not come to his aid as agreed. Old Yang & his sons but one or two were vanquished. One thought to be dead came back as a monk. The other like you said married enemy leader's daughter & persuaded her to return to Song with him in the end.

The rest is the famous fable of Amazon soldiers who fought for husbands & sons led by Matriach 佘太君 & daughter in law 穆桂英 ......

 

[Shi Jin]

I dunno about the game.

In the Book, the 108 is divided into 36 heavenly Stars & 72 earthly stars.

according to their ranking, the top '5 Tigers generals' are:-
'Big Sabre' Guan Sheng
'Leopard Head' Lin Chong
'Thunder Fire' Qing Ming
'Little Archer' Hua Rong
'Double Spear' Dong Ping

Hope my memory is correct.
Sori Bro Shi Jin - seems yr kung fu not in their category
Is it the same in the game ?

Correct.

What?!? Actually true. I only small time bandit :p

Game wise cannot remember but I do remember Hua Rong's DEX was 100. Lin Chong and Guan Sheng can make weapons.

 

[knightriderz]

Correct.

What?!? Actually true. I only small time bandit :p

Game wise cannot remember but I do remember Hua Rong's DEX was 100. Lin Chong and Guan Sheng can make weapons.

Well, the 5 tiger generals are supposed to excel in horseback combat. They are

'Big Sabre' Guan Sheng
'Leopard Head' Lin Chong
'Thunder Fire' Qing Ming
'Twin Clubs' Huyan Zhuo, not Hua Rong
'Double Spear' Dong Ping

Hua Rong together with Shi Jin, Xu Ning, Yang Zhi, Zhu Tong, Mu Hong, Zhang Qing and Suo Chao are the Vanguard Calvary Generals

Lu Zhi Shen (i always use him in bandit kings) and Wu Song and 8 other Stars of Heaven are the Infantry Leaders...

 

[knightriderz]

In the game, Hua Rong dex is not 100, its 95. Can train to 100...just take a few players and do duels... haha less den 3 yrs all e good heroes have 100 Str and Dex.

Of course the Scenario 1 heroes are all good!!!

 

[po2wq]

〈水浒〉梁山五虎将

关胜

关胜是三国名将关羽的后代，使一把青龙偃月<wbr>刀。原来是蒲东的巡检，后被蔡太师调往梁山<wbr>泊攻打宋江。呼延灼用假投降的办法引关胜兵<wbr>马进入宋江的大寨，被挠挂钩拖下马鞍活捉。<wbr>关胜感到宋江有胆识重义气，便归顺了梁山。<wbr>蔡京调兵进攻梁山，关胜杀败单廷 ，单廷便投降了梁山。受招安后，关胜被封为<wbr>大名府正兵马总管。在梁山泊英雄中排马军五<wbr>虎将第一 位。 <br><br>结 局：平方腊后，被朝廷封为左将大名府正兵马<wbr>总管，酒后落马而死。&nbsp;

<img src="http://zhishi.baidu.com/uploads/c/250/993.jpg">


林冲

豹子头林冲，在梁山泊英雄中排行第六，马军五虎将第二。早年是东京八十万禁军枪棒教头。林冲杀了陆谦，冒着风雪连夜投奔梁山泊，为白衣秀士王伦不容。晁盖、吴用劫了生辰纲上梁山 后，王伦不容这些英雄，林冲一气之下杀了王伦，把晁盖推上了梁山泊首领之位。林冲武艺高强，打了许多胜仗。在征讨江浙一带方腊率领的起义军胜利后，林冲得了中风，被迫留在杭州六和寺养病，由武松照顾，半年后病故。

<img src="http://zhishi.baidu.com/uploads/c/250/995.jpg">


呼延灼

宋朝开国功臣呼延赞嫡派子孙，忠于宋王朝，上梁山后支持宋江“招安”。呼延灼用连环马连败宋江兵马。吴用设计派时迁去东京偷了徐宁的雁翎锁子甲，骗徐宁到了梁山。徐宁的钩镰枪果然破了呼延灼的连环马。呼延灼单枪匹马逃到青州，青州知府让他带人攻打桃花山、二龙山。梁山泊人马赶到桃花山、二龙山救援，用计把呼延灼骗到陷坑 里活捉。呼延灼投降梁山。
结 局：平方腊后，朝廷封其为御营兵马指挥使，破金时战死

<img src="http://zhishi.baidu.com/uploads/c/250/999.jpg">


秦明

秦明，使一条狼牙棒，武艺高强，在梁山泊英雄中排第七，马军五虎将第三。青州指挥司统领本州兵马，统制秦明得知花荣谋反，点起五百人马前去捉拿。秦明性情急躁，外号“霹雳火”，有勇无谋，同花荣斗了四、五十回合不分胜负，折兵损将后，秦明掉入陷坑被捉，秦明不肯归顺梁山，仍要回青州，却被花荣用计断了退路，终于投靠了宋江。宋江又将花荣的妹妹许配秦明为妻。在宋江征讨方腊时，被方腊的侄子方杰一戟刺到马下，死于非命

<img src="http://zhishi.baidu.com/uploads/c/251/000.jpg">


董平

董平，梁山泊第十五条好汉，马军五虎将第五名。董平原是东平府兵马都督，使一双长枪，勇猛无敌。董平感谢宋江不杀之恩，归顺梁山。东昌府没羽箭张清善用飞石打人，弹无虚发，一连打伤宋江手下十几员大将。董平才投奔宋江，急着立功，与张清大打出手，张清连发三块飞石都被董平闪过。攻打方腊时，董平在卢俊义帐下攻打独松关，被炮火伤了左臂，和厉天闰、张韬交战时，为救张清，被张韬一刀，剁成两段。同张清、周通先后阵亡。

<img src="http://zhishi.baidu.com/uploads/c/251/003.jpg">

 

[elephanto]

'Twin Clubs' Huyan Zhuo, not Hua Rong

WOW ! Memory really rusty leow ....
thks knightriderz for pointing out .....

 

[elephanto]

Solid summary, bro, dun mind share where yr source of graphics & text is ?

 

[po2wq]

Solid summary, bro, dun mind share where yr source of graphics & text is ?

google 1 la ... if u google, u can really find a lot of links ...

dat particular 1 fr here: http://zhishi.baidu.com/zhishi/200070.html ...


wa! ... u really use n elefant as ur avatar, ah? ...

 

[elephanto]

ga! ... u really use n elefant as ur avatar, ah? ...

thks for the link ....
i use the meditating dog avatar becos i find it rare, then sick of that poodle association, change to north star, change to blank, finally the brand professionals tell me use 'YourElephant', so finally choose this black evil elephant icon, how, 'saat' bo ? :p

 

[po2wq]

erefants got loong memory ... dun pray-pray ... :p

 

[rainnix]

Good leads bro rainix, but no. 2 & 3 any links or must go search Baidu?

For 2 I am using www.tudou.com to see, they have loads of 百家讲坛 stuffs, I see also see until ki siao liao. Basically there is too much info. From 秦始皇, 汉武帝, to 清朝 historical series, then to literal series of 三国志，聊斋, then speaking about old sages from 孔子 to 孟子. Also they covered poets like 苏轼，唐伯虎 etc. I wished I could name them all.

For 3 you could search under www.mmmppp333.com or other 评书 sites. Also a whole lot of materials. Romance of 3 kingdoms by 袁阔成 spans 365 episodes of about 30 minutes each. But it was worth it. Listening to his other works at the moment (封神演义).

 

[rainnix]

Thanks bro rannix.
But do you know of any tv production from HK or Taiwan?

Any drama from HK and Taiwan are not following closely to the original works, you will spit at them once you have learn about the REAL history or book.

:oIo: Once I saw the HK drama about 秦 history, "The chronicles of searching Qin" (寻秦记) I spit and spit at the drama after I saw 王立群 analyze of 史记. If you want any drama following the historical facts, better watch China's drama (preferably those old ones).

 

[moolightaffairs]

Well, the 5 tiger generals are supposed to excel in horseback combat. They are

'Big Sabre' Guan Sheng
'Leopard Head' Lin Chong
'Thunder Fire' Qing Ming
'Twin Clubs' Huyan Zhuo, not Hua Rong
'Double Spear' Dong Ping

Hua Rong together with Shi Jin, Xu Ning, Yang Zhi, Zhu Tong, Mu Hong, Zhang Qing and Suo Chao are the Vanguard Calvary Generals

Lu Zhi Shen (i always use him in bandit kings) and Wu Song and 8 other Stars of Heaven are the Infantry Leaders...

hua rong nick is xiao lee guang right? lee guang was a general during han dynasty, famous for his archery.

 

[moolightaffairs]

water margin 108 heroes （complete set）

1 天魁星呼保义宋江
2 天罡星玉麒麟卢俊义
3 天机星智多星吴用
4 天闲星入云龙公孙胜
5 天勇星大刀关胜
6 天雄星豹子头林冲
7 天猛星霹雳火秦明
8 天威星双鞭呼延灼
9 天英星小李广花荣
10 天贵星小旋风柴进
11 天富星扑天雕李应
12 天满星美髯公朱仝
13 天孤星花和尚鲁智深
14 天伤星行者武松
15 天立星双枪将董平
16 天捷星没羽箭张清
17 天暗星青面兽杨志
18 天佑星金枪手徐宁
19 天空星急先锋索超
20 天速星神行太保戴宗
21 天异星赤发鬼刘唐
22 天杀星黑旋风李逵
23 天微星九纹龙史进
24 天究星没遮拦穆弘
25 天退星插翅虎雷横
26 天寿星混江龙李俊
27 天剑星立地太岁阮小二
28 天竟星船火儿张横
29 天罪星短命二郎阮小五
30 天损星浪里白条张顺
31 天败星活阎罗阮小七
32 天牢星病关索杨雄
33 天慧星拚命三郎石秀
34 天暴星两头蛇解珍
35 天哭星双尾蝎解宝
36 天巧星浪子燕青
37 地魁星神机军师朱武
38 地煞星镇三山黄信
39 地勇星病尉迟孙立
40 地杰星丑郡马宣赞
41 地雄星井木犴郝思文
42 地威星百胜将韩滔
43 地英星天目将彭玘
44 地奇星圣水将单廷珪
45 地猛星神火将魏定国
46 地文星圣手书生萧让
47 地正星铁面孔目裴宣
48 地阔星摩云金翅欧鹏
49 地阖星火眼狻猊邓飞
50 地强星锦毛虎燕顺
51 地暗星锦豹子杨林
52 地轴星轰天雷凌振
53 地会星神算子蒋敬
54 地佐星小温侯吕方
55 地佑星赛仁贵郭盛
56 地灵星神医安道全
57 地兽星紫髯伯皇甫端
58 地微星矮脚虎王英
59 地慧星一丈青扈三娘
60 地暴星丧门神鲍旭
61 地然星混世魔王樊瑞
62 地猖星毛头星孔明
63 地狂星独火星孔亮
64 地飞星八臂哪吒项充
65 地走星飞天大圣李衮
66 地巧星玉臂匠金大坚
67 地明星铁笛仙马麟
68 地进星出洞蛟童威
69 地退星翻江蜃童猛
70 地满星玉幡竿孟康
71 地遂星通臂猿侯健
72 地周星跳涧虎陈达
73 地隐星白花蛇杨春
74 地异星白面郎君郑天寿
75 地理星九尾龟陶宗旺
76 地俊星铁扇子宋清
77 地乐星铁叫子乐和
78 地捷星花项虎龚旺
79 地速星中箭虎丁得孙
80 地镇星小遮拦穆春
81 地嵇星操刀鬼曹正
82 地魔星云里金刚宋万
83 地妖星摸着天杜迁
84 地幽星病大虫薛永
85 地伏星金眼彪施恩
86 地僻星打虎将李忠
87 地空星小霸王周通
88 地孤星金钱豹子汤隆
89 地全星鬼脸儿杜兴
90 地短星出林龙邹渊
91 地角星独角龙邹润
92 地囚星旱地忽律朱贵
93 地藏星笑面虎朱富
94 地平星铁臂膊蔡福
95 地损星一枝花蔡庆
96 地奴星催命判官李立
97 地察星青眼虎李云
98 地恶星没面目焦挺
99 地丑星石将军石勇
100 地数星小尉迟孙新
101 地阴星母大虫顾大嫂
102 地刑星菜园子张青
103 地壮星母夜叉孙二娘
104 地劣星活闪婆王定六
105 地健星险道神郁保四
106 地耗星白日鼠白胜
107 地贼星鼓上蚤时迁
108 地狗星金毛犬段景住

天罡星三十六员

1 天英星-小李广花荣
2 天魁星-及时雨宋江
3 天罡星-玉麒麟卢俊义
4 天机星-智多星吴用
5 天闲星-入云龙公孙胜
6 天勇星-大刀关胜
7 天雄星-豹子头林冲
8 天猛星-霹雳火秦明
9 天威星-双鞭呼延灼
10 天贵星-小旋风柴进
11 天富星-扑天雕李应
12 天满星-美髯公朱仝
13 天孤星-花和尚鲁智深
14 天伤星-行者武松
15 天立星-双枪将董平
16 天捷星-没羽箭张清
17 天暗星-青面兽杨志
18 天佑星-金枪手徐宁
19 天空星-急先锋索超
20 天速星-神行太保戴宗
21 天异星-赤发鬼刘唐
22 天杀星-黑旋风李逵
23 天微星-九纹龙史进
24 天究星-没遮拦穆弘
25 天退星-插翅虎雷横
26 天寿星-混江龙李俊
27 天剑星-立地太岁阮小二
28 天竟星-船火儿张横
29 天罪星-短命二郎阮小五
30 天损星-浪里白条张顺
31 天败星-活阎罗阮小七
32 天牢星-病关索杨雄
33 天慧星-拚命三郎石秀
34 天暴星-两头蛇解珍
35 天哭星-双尾蝎解宝
36 天巧星-浪子燕青

 

[elephanto]

Wahlau ! Bro Moonlightaffairs, open mobilization izzit ?

Call all 108 heroes fall in for what ? !

 

[moolightaffairs]

Wahlau ! Bro Moonlightaffairs, open mobilization izzit ?

Call all 108 heroes fall in for what ? !

i think some bro dun really know all the name. so i just list it out for all to see.

 

[knightriderz]

lolx
list also no use if cant read chinese
i noe e 108 in English but idk them in Chinese!

 

[moolightaffairs]

sorry to dig out this old thread again.

i think most of the ang mo read this type of brotherhood kind of stories will think its a gay story. for shows like 英雄本色 etc, for them also kind of gay, as guys in the show treat others guys so good or even die for them. the angmos dun understand brotherhood in Chinese traditional values.