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The War on Drugs is a War against the Minorities and the Poor - agree or disagree?

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No matter which side of the earth you are on, no matter which society you are in, drug prohibition policy is designed to criminalize the minorities, the poor and uneducated.

In Singapore, the war on drugs targets the Malay. In Malaysia and Thailand, the war on drugs targets the poor and uneducated.

In America, the war on drugs targets the African American. In Mexico and Colombia, the war on drugs targets the poor and uneducated.


The only way to win the "war on drugs" is to end prohibition.

Agree or disagree?
 
Re: The War on Drugs is a War against the Minorities and the Poor - agree or disagree

The war on drugs is a war against idiots and it just so happens that most minorities fall into that category. The reasons could be genetic, cultural or a combination of both factors.
 
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Hi i actually age with ts view cos you know if you're a drug addict and you come from the majority race aka Chinese they will just let you go Scott free they won't even charge you:rolleyes:
 
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I agree with Leongsam on this. The war against drugs is exactly that and does not discriminate. You get the same punishment regardless of race, language or religion.Some groups of people will somehow be drawn more to it than others in the dealing and consumption of this evil stuff.
 
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Somewhat agree.

Because of its illegal and desirable status, the lucrative drug business draws two categories of people to get involved, the poor (to get rich) and the rich/middle class (for recreation). The rich have the means and connections to get themselves out of trouble, whilst the poor, either snitch on their "friends" or themselves face the music. Rich blokes do their drugs in private homes, whereas the poor blokes get their fixes at street corners, open to public eyes.

As long as narcotics are illegal, the beneficiaries of the industry will always be the outlaws; the best thing to do is to legalize it.

Cheers!
 
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I agree with Leongsam on this. The war against drugs is exactly that and does not discriminate. You get the same punishment regardless of race, language or religion.Some groups of people will somehow be drawn more to it than others in the dealing and consumption of this evil stuff.

I completely disagree... Making drugs illegal is one of the stupidest policy in recent history.

This has happened before in 1920 when America decided to make Alcohol illegal because they believed Alcohol is dangerous and causes people to commit crime. The result was alcohol sales was driven under ground, gangesters took over the alcohol business, people who used alcohol became criminals and the poor and uneducated was employed to become alcohol mules. The law was repealed in the late 1930's and situation went back to normal until we all decided to make "drugs" illegal instead in 1970's.

It is simply history repeating itself.

Milton Friedman have predicted this before. Everything he was became true.
[video=youtube;nLsCC0LZxkY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY[/video]
 
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......................... You get the same punishment regardless of race, language or religion.Some groups of people will somehow be drawn more to it than others in the dealing and consumption of this evil stuff.

Same punishment? Not really. Bush Jr. snorted coke, Reagan smoked pot (they both admitted it), what happened to them? By contrast, if one were a unknow colored American or Hispanic busted for the above by some white cop, one's chances are almost nil for getting away scott free. In Sg's case, I have been to parties where kids of ASEAN dignitaries were stone while there, nothing happened to them. Feel sorry for the low-life mules who were caught ferrying party drugs to them.

Cheers!
 
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Same punishment? Not really. Bush Jr. snorted coke, Reagan smoked pot (they both admitted it), what happened to them? By contrast, if one were a unknow colored American or Hispanic busted for the above by some white cop, one's chances are almost nil for getting away scott free. In Sg's case, I have been to parties where kids of ASEAN dignitaries were stone while there, nothing happened to them. Feel sorry for the low-life mules who were caught ferrying party drugs to them.

Cheers!

Okay I do indeed concede that those with very high contacts can and do get away with their mischief and not only for drug abuse but for other bad behaviour as well. I was referring more to the broader group of the population.
 
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Same punishment? Not really. Bush Jr. snorted coke, Reagan smoked pot (they both admitted it), what happened to them? By contrast, if one were a unknow colored American or Hispanic busted for the above by some white cop, one's chances are almost nil for getting away scott free. In Sg's case, I have been to parties where kids of ASEAN dignitaries were stone while there, nothing happened to them. Feel sorry for the low-life mules who were caught ferrying party drugs to them.

Cheers!

Don't forget Obama... He inhaled frequently even... That was the point... :P
 
Re: The War on Drugs is a War against the Minorities and the Poor - agree or disagree

Don't forget Obama... He inhaled frequently even... That was the point... :P

And Clinton didn't inhale! Who'd trust a politician?

Attitudes are changing, although somewhat slow.

Cheers!
 
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Same punishment? Not really. Bush Jr. snorted coke, Reagan smoked pot (they both admitted it), what happened to them? By contrast, if one were a unknow colored American or Hispanic busted for the above by some white cop, one's chances are almost nil for getting away scott free. In Sg's case, I have been to parties where kids of ASEAN dignitaries were stone while there, nothing happened to them. Feel sorry for the low-life mules who were caught ferrying party drugs to them.

Cheers!

In the example you have given about those ASEAN dignitaries kids being let off well it has nothing to do with the subject here which is talking about minorities being targeted due to drug charges. The US example you have given is also not accurate. Bush and his sorry of people are very high up. You should have used an ordinary white kid vs an unknown colored man. Or an ordinary Chinese Singaporean vs a Singaporean minority. Chances are both this ordinary white person and the Chinese Singaporean who took drugs would have suffered the same punishment as anyone else with no power that took drugs. Consequently if it was a minority with power that took drugs he would have gotten a lighter punishment. There was this Indian guy who was the son of some judge in Singapore and he got a lighter sentence or was totally let off.

Come on the war on drugs does not target minorities all because somehow it seems that more of them take drugs and then somehow tries to push the blame unto society.
Unless it can be proven that a minority of the same social standing as someone from the majority gets a stiffer sentence then can it be proven that out does pick on minorities. So far i seen Chinese drug addicts get the same sentencing.
 
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End failures then there'd be no war on "minorities" no matter how useless they are with the "majorities". Ahem this isn't a eugenics revival nonetheless.

All you garbage together with those garbage should be rfid implanted and tracked.
 
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mike, i don't understand. even if 1 is not educated or poor for that matter it does not mean boleh hisap or peddle drugs mah? no matter what we know it is wrong. life is unfair but most of the time we have a choice (not always a good thing lah)
 
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mike, i don't understand. even if 1 is not educated or poor for that matter it does not mean boleh hisap or peddle drugs mah? no matter what we know it is wrong. life is unfair but most of the time we have a choice (not always a good thing lah)

I know it is hard to understand... It took me weeks of research to piece together the conclusion that the drug laws is more damaging that the drug itself and that prohibition policy causes several unintended consequences. Criminalizing minorities and the poor is simply one of the side effects of prohibition.

I guess the first question you should ask yourself is why are drugs illegal in the first place...
 
Re: The War on Drugs is a War against the Minorities and the Poor - agree or disagree

Mike

I have seen people write well articulated articles, position papers on lifting the ban on recreational drugs. Very compelling.

In your case, your posts are absolute rubbish. No foundation, poor arguments and unable to detect flow of logic. If you want to see a lift on prohibition, don't post anymore. You remind me os the some of the clowns in opposition such as Harbans Singh and company.



I know it is hard to understand... It took me weeks of research to piece together the conclusion that the drug laws is more damaging that the drug itself and that prohibition policy causes several unintended consequences. Criminalizing minorities and the poor is simply one of the side effects of prohibition.

I guess the first question you should ask yourself is why are drugs illegal in the first place...
 
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[video=youtube;nLsCC0LZxkY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY[/video]

I fully agree with Friedman.
Ganja should be legalised. I don't think its something that is very harmful. Its not even addictive.

Ban should stay on opium and cocaine based product though.
 
Re: The War on Drugs is a War against the Minorities and the Poor - agree or disagree

Mike

I have seen people write well articulated articles, position papers on lifting the ban on recreational drugs. Very compelling.

In your case, your posts are absolute rubbish. No foundation, poor arguments and unable to detect flow of logic. If you want to see a lift on prohibition, don't post anymore. You remind me os the some of the clowns in opposition such as Harbans Singh and company.

Ok, since you are well versed in prohibition economics and the black market, you should know what I'm talking about.

In the drug black market, you have (1) the raw drug farmers, (2) the drug brokers, (3) the drug manufacturers, (4) the drug mule and finally (5) the drug consumers.

Majorities who are drug warriors, aka pro-prohibitionist, many would like to see the "drug lord", aka (2) the drug brokers, be taken out as they are the "real bad guys" here. But these people are usually very well hidden and usually when a drug lord is arrested, it is not a big blow to the drug market as another drug lord will take his/her place.

Which leaves (1), (3), (4) and (5). And look at who makes up these people.

For (1) the drug growers, these people are always just poor farmers living in the remote area controlled by the drug lords like the golden triangle, Afganistan or Colombia. And these farmers are always desperate because their only source of income is to grow these drugs. They literally have no choice but to grow the drugs or they will starve to death. They can't grow anything else that will get them enough money to survive.

For (3) and (4), drug manufacturing factories are always located in poorer countries like Mexico and Myanmar. The drug brokers employ only the poor or uneducated people to be the drug manufacturers and mules because these are always the people who are desprate for money.

And finally (5) the drug consumers. This is where it gets interesting. Drug consumers can virtually be anyone who have been exposed or understands about drugs. The higher educated people, like the ASEAN deligates mentioned earlier, usually prefer mild drugs like Cannabis, MDMA, LSD or mild doses of meth. They are careful not to reveal their addiction and usually have the power to cover everything up if they have been found. Some goes on drug tours into countries like Amsterdam or Thailand just to try things out.

The rest are made up of vulnerable people, people who are easily influenced like the youth, the school drop out, the unemployed, the "gang" members, etc. Just like how most people started to smoke, are usually influenced by peer pressure to try out drugs and more often than not, they are lured into hard drugs rather than recreational drugs because of their lack of knowledge. And these group of people are always minority groups in any society, it doesn't have to be racial minority but a minority group non the less. In Singapore, its the Malays, in America, it is the African american and hispanics.

I am not saying that the Singapore government intentionally attack Malays, but the original war on drugs commission by Presiden Nixon was designed to supress the african american community. We just copy and paste the american's war on drugs and the same effects happens here.

And if you want to do personal attacks, please be reminded that I did not create this report. This is report made by Al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryus2012/2012/08/2012823103039675592.html

I just realize that what ever is happening in Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore is an amost exact mirror image of what is happening in Colombia, Mexico and the United States.
 
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I fully agree with Friedman.
Ganja should be legalised. I don't think its something that is very harmful. Its not even addictive.

Ban should stay on opium and cocaine based product though.

I believe we should legalize all drugs because as long as you ban something in demand, a black market will form around it... Don't even get me started on how criminalizing prostitution leads to human trafficking...
 
Re: The War on Drugs is a War against the Minorities and the Poor - agree or disagree

I believe we should legalize all drugs because as long as you ban something in demand, a black market will form around it... Don't even get me started on how criminalizing prostitution leads to human trafficking...

Thats too much.
Once you legalise ganja which is a soft drug, there won't be demand for the other stuff at all.
Why go for cociane or heroin when you can get the same thing much cheaper and safer?
 
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Thats too much.
Once you legalise ganja which is a soft drug, there won't be demand for the other stuff at all.
Why go for cociane or heroin when you can get the same thing much cheaper and safer?

I don't like the idea too, but somewhere out there there is going to be someone idiotic enough to try and get addicted to the stuff. And if he addicted, where is he going to get his fix?

But that doesn't mean I'd like to see heroin being sold at coffeeshops. I hope to see hard drugs like heroin to be handled by qualified and licensed doctors only and people who are addicted to heroin must registered to get his prescription and at the same time get a mandatory councelling and detox treatment. Unlicensed sellers will be punished.

A bit like this but more sophiscated with clean needle programs, councelling support, anything to effectively get them off the habit other then putting them in jail.

[video=youtube;rzHC3kyJ8-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzHC3kyJ8-4[/video]

Remember this: As long as you keep something in demand illegal, there will be a black market for it.


Also, I'd like to see Coca Leaf be legalized as well. In reality, Cocain is just mildly stronger than Caffeine. Both Caffeine and Cocain is dangerous in its pure form but in its natural form, Coca Leaf tea is very much the same like coffee.

I am not so sure about Opium but there are cultures that drinks opium tea and use Opium poppy in their food. I am incline to believe that most of these "dangerous drugs" in its natural form is actually quite safe. So if it is safe, why ban it?
 
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