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the unholiness of being holier

leetahbar

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i ve been to churches. i ve been to temples. one thing i realise they are all about the same: trying to be holier than the one next to you :(

in church, i witnessed christians raising their hands during praying or singing in an "act to receive the holy spirit." as if raising the hands wasn't enough, some uplifted hands started to shake and spasm quite violently. and if that wasn't still enough to prove holier to you, some would start jumping up and now or jerking spasmodically in their seats. scary? yep, very to me. and wait till they have another phenomena: speaking in tongue. during prayer, aome holier christians would "speak in tongue" which was a kind of "spiritual" prayer to God. i would feel very uncomfortable. if it was just a holier than thou syndrome, that'd be fine. but what if the talking were from/to another entity other than God Himself? brrr! that would be really creepy and freak me out!

anyway, if humans couldn't understand, how would the tongue speakers know God would?? perhaps being holier is really meant to be able to communicate with God or just being holier than thou. that thou would be me the blur one awed with disbelief.

it was like a scene from the EXORCIST. does that spiritually prove to be the manifestation of the holy spirit or just a pure unholiness of trying to be holier than thou?

emptiness is form; form is emptiness. i wonder....

back in the buddhist temple having my weekly dharma classes, a quite similar sight could be behold. buddhists pray to BUDDHA. the statute is a representative image only and not a worship to an idol. it's suppose to invoke the buddhahood seed in everyone of us when praying respect.

BUDDHA isn't a god. he was rather an enlightened man and a great teacher teaching us how to live happily, to bring forth our buddha nature and to be compassionate to all sentient beings - not just humans but animals, every living things and even spirits included.

so we pray to the buddha. in my most basic of praying like what sifu taught is just a simple clasped hands, a humble sincere bow and a mindful thought about the buddha. usually in 3 bows: 1 for the buddha, 1 for the dharma and 1 for the sangha. another extra bow would be to each other in the class in the hope of achieving buddhahood for each other.

it's all that simple. well, at least to me. i m a pure "simpleton" and that's why i like buddhism cos in my impression it's the simplest religion to follow teaching one how to lead a happy simple life and do good. (forget about being a buddha first. just follow the DO GOOD part and the rest shall fall nicely and rightly in place.)

a simple praying is now like being exaggerated to "patterns more than badminton" like a full postrating - all the way down to the belly. it goes like this: clasp hands, bow, kneel, bow with outstretched hand (there's a unique pattern even to that) and stretch straight on the stomach and form a figure 1 (this last stance very prominent in tibetan buddhism), then up and repeat 3 times.

here's the catch: i ve a terrible chronic backache, doing that is quite awkard. then what about the aged, the sicked and the handicapped?

to me, those are really exaggeration. another holier than thou public expression. i might be quite skeptical but i always believe BUDDHA IS WITHIN US and GOD IS ALSO WITHIN US. it's a intimate relation between i and buddha or god. there's no need to public express it to show that "i m holier than thou" which usually more aptly become unholier and hypocritical.

sadhu, sadhu....

emptiness is form; form is emptiness...

you see it holy; it could be seen unholy.
 

leetahbar

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so what do you want us to say. God doesn't exist lah.

it's not about god. it's the people who are trying to prove they are holier than thou. if u could do that, u shall be the next KONG FATT CHOY or the rogue botak monk or some other money money cum preacher - not including chee the sdp's messiah.
 

leetahbar

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this article by my li'l brother leetahsar is all about HYPOCRISY which is growing by leaps and bounds. :(
 

Angelo

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i ve been to churches. i ve been to temples. one thing i realise they are all about the same: trying to be holier than the one next to you :(

in church, i witnessed christians raising their hands during praying or singing in an "act to receive the holy spirit." as if raising the hands wasn't enough, some uplifted hands started to shake and spasm quite violently. and if that wasn't still enough to prove holier to you, some would start jumping up and now or jerking spasmodically in their seats. scary? yep, very to me. and wait till they have another phenomena: speaking in tongue. during prayer, aome holier christians would "speak in tongue" which was a kind of "spiritual" prayer to God. i would feel very uncomfortable. if it was just a holier than thou syndrome, that'd be fine. but what if the talking were from/to another entity other than God Himself? brrr! that would be really creepy and freak me out!

anyway, if humans couldn't understand, how would the tongue speakers know God would?? perhaps being holier is really meant to be able to communicate with God or just being holier than thou. that thou would be me the blur one awed with disbelief.

it was like a scene from the EXORCIST. does that spiritually prove to be the manifestation of the holy spirit or just a pure unholiness of trying to be holier than thou?

emptiness is form; form is emptiness. i wonder....

back in the buddhist temple having my weekly dharma classes, a quite similar sight could be behold. buddhists pray to BUDDHA. the statute is a representative image only and not a worship to an idol. it's suppose to invoke the buddhahood seed in everyone of us when praying respect.

BUDDHA isn't a god. he was rather an enlightened man and a great teacher teaching us how to live happily, to bring forth our buddha nature and to be compassionate to all sentient beings - not just humans but animals, every living things and even spirits included.

so we pray to the buddha. in my most basic of praying like what sifu taught is just a simple clasped hands, a humble sincere bow and a mindful thought about the buddha. usually in 3 bows: 1 for the buddha, 1 for the dharma and 1 for the sangha. another extra bow would be to each other in the class in the hope of achieving buddhahood for each other.

it's all that simple. well, at least to me. i m a pure "simpleton" and that's why i like buddhism cos in my impression it's the simplest religion to follow teaching one how to lead a happy simple life and do good. (forget about being a buddha first. just follow the DO GOOD part and the rest shall fall nicely and rightly in place.)

a simple praying is now like being exaggerated to "patterns more than badminton" like a full postrating - all the way down to the belly. it goes like this: clasp hands, bow, kneel, bow with outstretched hand (there's a unique pattern even to that) and stretch straight on the stomach and form a figure 1 (this last stance very prominent in tibetan buddhism), then up and repeat 3 times.

here's the catch: i ve a terrible chronic backache, doing that is quite awkard. then what about the aged, the sicked and the handicapped?

to me, those are really exaggeration. another holier than thou public expression. i might be quite skeptical but i always believe BUDDHA IS WITHIN US and GOD IS ALSO WITHIN US. it's a intimate relation between i and buddha or god. there's no need to public express it to show that "i m holier than thou" which usually more aptly become unholier and hypocritical.

sadhu, sadhu....

emptiness is form; form is emptiness...

you see it holy; it could be seen unholy.

Hoi,

Bui chee bye bob sim kheng hwee, here is your life summary in point form:

1. You beat ur own father when he threw away your gay porn

2. You call your own mother lao chee bye when she ask u to get a job

3. You are a 50 yo unemployed parasite leeching off your parents

4. You pretend to be a monk but get thrown out of the temple when you are caught stealing temple funds

5. You steal ppl's handphone and claimed that the handphone waved at you

6. You are a liar, cheat and swindler roll into one

7. You try to con Lau Kway Bu Elaine's property but end up only getting a free meal

8. You are a pig with diseased kidneys going to meet your maker soon

9. Old bastard bob sim kim hwee, why do you insists on spewing rubbish here when you got not much time left?

:biggrin:
 
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QXD

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Bastard Bob. Not only does bro Angelo expose you for who you and on top of that:

1) You fucking pedophile regularly pretend to read newspaper at your void deck masturbating as you peep at young kids walking home from school!

2) You brag about constantly making "friends" with young children as old as 5 and then make perverted prank calls to them!

3) You have been exposed time and time again by old timers in this forum as a Changi Point/Hotel FL bapok!

4) You always maintained to be a virgin but that's because you have never used your Lanjiao but enjoy having Lanjiaos!

Clearly your deviant ways as a fucking homo pervert would make any religion treat you as an outcast and beyond redemption!
 

leetahbar

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What a sad bunch of losers you lot are. :(

glad u know that such miserable people exist and persist. the simple action here to take is:

DON'T LIKE, DON'T READ.

imbeciles just do not know how to click the IGNORE key. very sad people indeed!
 

Kohliantye

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this article by my li'l brother leetahsar is all about HYPOCRISY which is growing by leaps and bounds. :(


Those Evil-Ones who abuse religion,
To further enrich themselves, their loved ones and cronies,
Beware for thou hath fallen from HIS grace.
Those who fool others by using HIS name
Will soon face that un-climable Wall.
It is a matter of time andf,
Thou would be exposed
You are destined to burn in the fire pits of HADES

Thou who hath pursued religion as hypocrites are fools and knaves.
For Hypocrisy stinks to the 7th Heaven
Many in the attire of religious ones
Had fallen along the way
Some are rotting in jails
Others have come out and gone into oblivion
Many are suffering from incurable diseases
Though they still have the ill-gotten wealth
That wealth will cause friction among their loved ones.
Who will become divided and fall.
Those who enter religious places
And "cry" out to the Lord
With nothing but crocodile tears
Thereby suppressing their actual feelings
Are doing yourself more harm
Tis best to tell the TRUTH
And shame the DEVIL in you.
 

The Philistine

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Those Evil-Ones who abuse religion,
To further enrich themselves, their loved ones and cronies,
Beware for thou hath fallen from HIS grace.
Those who fool others by using HIS name
Will soon face that un-climable Wall.
It is a matter of time andf,
Thou would be exposed
You are destined to burn in the fire pits of HADES

Thou who hath pursued religion as hypocrites are fools and knaves.
For Hypocrisy stinks to the 7th Heaven
Many in the attire of religious ones
Had fallen along the way
Some are rotting in jails
Others have come out and gone into oblivion
Many are suffering from incurable diseases
Though they still have the ill-gotten wealth
That wealth will cause friction among their loved ones.
Who will become divided and fall.
Those who enter religious places
And "cry" out to the Lord
With nothing but crocodile tears
Thereby suppressing their actual feelings
Are doing yourself more harm
Tis best to tell the TRUTH
And shame the DEVIL in you.

What a load of crap! If you want to post crap, please use The Rubbish Heap section.
 

leetahbar

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the crux is:

be good. continue to do good even others are bad to u.

ps. denise puah copies fr me and not vice versa .
 

Kohliantye

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
What a load of crap! If you want to post crap, please use The Rubbish Heap section.


Thanks bro for your very educational advice. It may be crap to you lah......
Goliath was a huge Philistine
Brought down by a tiny David
If you feel that your mighty sword
Would protect you
You are wrong for there is
A True Lord.
 

leetahbar

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i starting this thread cos x'mas is drawing closer and hell!! many are behaving strangely holier than ever. i m really pissed! :(
 

Kohliantye

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i starting this thread cos x'mas is drawing closer and hell!! many are behaving strangely holier than ever. i m really pissed! :(

Leetahbar, I don't mean any ill. It was just for the fun of it.
To you and Philistine, my sincere apologies. Merry Xmas in advance.
 

leetahbar

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Leetahbar, I don't mean any ill. It was just for the fun of it.
To you and Philistine, my sincere apologies. Merry Xmas in advance.

no apology is necessary. everyone here is entitled to their opinion. whether it's right, wrong or neutral is subjective.

like my li'l brother leetahsar quoted: IT'S BETWEEN I & GOD or I & MY BUDDHA.
 

gymkhana

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no apology is necessary. everyone here is entitled to their opinion. whether it's right, wrong or neutral is subjective.

like my li'l brother leetahsar quoted: IT'S BETWEEN I & GOD or I & MY BUDDHA.

Where and when did Buddha say he is God or worship him?
He never worshipped any idols or images of himself did he?
So why not follow his footsteps instead?
I have read the Buddhist scriptures , and nowhere did Buddha say i am your lord god u all should worship me.
Same for Jesus.
 

leetahbar

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Where and when did Buddha say he is God or worship him?
He never worshipped any idols or images of himself did he?
So why not follow his footsteps instead?
I have read the Buddhist scriptures , and nowhere did Buddha say i am your lord god u all should worship me.
Same for Jesus.

I & MY BUDDHA is referring to I & MYSELF. everyone has the potential to become a buddha. being a buddha simply means being enlightened.
 
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