The Quran and Hadith teach about expanding Islam using violence

[Loofydralb]

Quran (2:216) -

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot."

@Loofydralb
How would you rationalize using event's context, ambushing and looting rivalry merchants to be act of self-defense?

What is the preceding and proceeding 3 verses.
Please include them.

 

[Likemeat]

How about philippines, nigeria, somali, sudan and cameroon?

You look at your title thread. Very misleading. Cos if is true then it shld include all muslim countries.

 

[duluxe]

What is the preceding and proceeding 3 verses.
Please include them.

Quran (2:214)
Do you think you will be admitted into Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were afflicted with suffering and adversity and were so ˹violently˺ shaken that ˹even˺ the Messenger and the believers with him cried out, “When will Allah’s help come?” Indeed, Allah’s help is ˹always˺ near.

Quran (2:215)
“They ask thee what they should spend. Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -Allah knoweth it well.

Quran (2:217)
They will ask thee about fighting in the sacred month. Say: "Fighting in it is an awesome thing (grave transgression); but turning men away from the path of God and denying Him, and [turning them away from] the Inviolable House of Worship and expelling its people there from - [all this] is yet more awesome (greater transgression) in the sight of God, since oppression is more awesome (greater transgression) than killing." [Your enemies] will not cease to fight against you till they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. But if any of you should turn away from his faith and die as a denier of the truth - these it is whose works will go for nought in this world and in the life to come; and these it is who are destined for the fire, therein to abide

 

[Loofydralb]

Quran (2:214)
Do you think you will be admitted into Paradise without being tested like those before you? They were afflicted with suffering and adversity and were so ˹violently˺ shaken that ˹even˺ the Messenger and the believers with him cried out, “When will Allah’s help come?” Indeed, Allah’s help is ˹always˺ near.

Quran (2:215)
“They ask thee what they should spend. Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -Allah knoweth it well.

Quran (2:217)
They will ask thee about fighting in the sacred month. Say: "Fighting in it is an awesome thing (grave transgression); but turning men away from the path of God and denying Him, and [turning them away from] the Inviolable House of Worship and expelling its people there from - [all this] is yet more awesome (greater transgression) in the sight of God, since oppression is more awesome (greater transgression) than killing." [Your enemies] will not cease to fight against you till they have turned you away from your faith, if they can. But if any of you should turn away from his faith and die as a denier of the truth - these it is whose works will go for nought in this world and in the life to come; and these it is who are destined for the fire, therein to abide

2:214 gave you the context. As every Muslim knows, on this life we will be tested.
For eg, when the conditions presents itself, in itself is the test.
And mandatory for you to fight when the Khalifah orders it.
So that verse reminds you to go do your duty when it comes.
Doesn't mean for no reason you go fight.

 

[Hightech88]

Ish true...It is a Religion of Peace...

 

[duluxe]

You look at your title thread. Very misleading. Cos if is true then it shld include all muslim countries.

You comprehension is very bad. The key word is teach. 1 country is enough to make islam looks bad as the religion of peace.

I taught 10 students economy, doesn't mean all the 10 students will become economists.

Since you think you are so clever, would you be able to answer this question: How many people have died and be killed as the result of islam expansion?

 

[duluxe]

Ish true...It is a Religion of Peace...

Islam is peaceful in name and on paper. For 1400 years, could be around 90 000 000–1.2 billion people have died as the result of islam expansion.

 

[duluxe]

2:214 gave you the context. As every Muslim knows, on this life we will be tested.
For eg, when the conditions presents itself, in itself is the test.
And mandatory for you to fight when the Khalifah orders it.
So that verse reminds you to go do your duty when it comes.
Doesn't mean for no reason you go fight.

How do you make defence that the fight occurred during the holy months in which tribes did not fight?

 

[Loofydralb]

How do you make defence that the fight occurred during the holy months in which tribes did not fight?

Isn't 2:217 self explanatory?

 

[duluxe]

Isn't 2:217 self explanatory?

Ho would you defence off there was a lot of unclaimed loot sitting around?

 

[k1976]

After the Pedophile Warlord 'prophet' died, the succession problems afterwards hold many parallels to what happened with Genghis Khan and the Mongol empire.

How the Mongol empire expanded was how the Islamic empire expanded during the early years. The only difference: the Mongols fizzled out like a blazing meteor, while the Muslims have a codified religion (plagiarized from Jews and Christians, sprinkled with some Arabian paganism) to sustain it for centuries.

Many people forgotten....many holy texts and good religious practice are often hijacked by twisted minds to justify their crimes....plentiful of example throughout human history from different races

 

[k1976]

Ho would you defence off there was a lot of unclaimed loot sitting around?

They are not fighting...they are only helping to send each other to heaven to enjoy 72 virgins only

 

[Likemeat]

You comprehension is very bad. The key word is teach. 1 country is enough to make islam looks bad as the religion of peace.

I taught 10 students economy, doesn't mean all the 10 students will become economists.

Since you think you are so clever, would you be able to answer this question: How many people have died and be killed as the result of islam expansion?

Of course i dont expect all my 10 students to be economists. Majority or 9 of them acheived good results good enough. That means i am a good teacher.

You tell me how many people have been killed as a result of Christianity/Atheism expansion?

 

[winnipegjets]

Those Muslims who subscribe to this teaching should be gathered and gassed like how the Nazis did it to the Jews in WW2. US and Israel can do it alone if the other G7 countries do not go along.

 

[duluxe]

You tell me how many people have been killed as a result of Christianity/Atheism expansion?

Muslims claim human morality comes from islam, why islam cannot stand on its own feet? Why islamic morality needs to be dependent to another religion?

Do you mean another religion kills, so it is ok for islam? You are behaving like a kid talking back to his mum "why you score me, our neighbour's son also doing the same?".

 

[bart12]

https://hinduspeak.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/the-dead-hand-of-islam-by-colin-maine/

INTOLERANCE TOWARDS OTHER RELIGIONS​

Islam is the only religion in the world which teaches that converts can be won at the point of a sword. The KORAN says that those who won’t accept Islam are to be killed. “When ye encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them.”​

The KORAN says: “Fight those who believe not in Allah” and that Moslems are to fight against non-believers until “there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere.” We have already seen what kind of ‘justice’ exists when Islam is established as the religion of a country.​

The KORAN says: “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike, but it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you.” “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of rim.” The KORAN continues: “How many populations have we destroyed.”​

A great deal is made of the tolerance of Islam towards Christianity and Judaism. This is exaggerated. Islam was more tolerant towards these two religions than it was towards paganism, but that is not saying much.​

Mohammed regarded the Christian doctrine of the trinity as being the worship of three gods. Also that the central teaching of Christianity–that Jesus is the son of God–is blasphemous. The KORAN says that those who believe these two things will go to hell. The KORAN says: “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are friends and protectors to each other.”​

It should be remembered that the Moslems delivered an entirely unprovoked attack on many Christian countries. When they took Christian Constantinople the streets ran with blood. A great part of the Moslem empire consisted of countries that had formerly been Christian.​

Just before Mohammed died, he expressed the wish that there “not remain any faith but that of Islam throughout the whole land of Arabia.” In accordance with his wishes the Jews and Christians were expelled from that country.​

PAGANS ATTACKED​

The pagans bore the brunt of Islamic fury. Sir William Muir says of these: “. . . but for the rest the sword is not to be sheathed till they are exterminated, or submit to the faith which has become superior to every other religion.”​

The KORAN says: “…fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them.” Another translation says: “Kill those who ascribe partners to God.” Again, the KORAN says that pagans are unclean. Other translations use the word ‘polytheist’ instead of ‘pagan’ and one translates this verse as ‘polytheists are filth’.​

This is sometimes considered to be justified as most people are ignorant of the nature of the religion of Arabia before Islam. The image conjured up is of hideous idols, and human sacrifices, and corrupt priesthood. This is not borne out by the facts.​

There was no religious prejudice or persecution before Mohammed and charities existed to look after orphans; they also collected money to buy the freedom of slaves.​

The Meccans did not turn against him until he attacked their gods, and announced that their ancestors were in hell.​

Glubb says that the attitude of the pagans towards their temples and images were similar to that of the British to Westheimer Abbey, and other similar places in England​

It is worth noting that there was no priesthood in the paganism of Arabia of the time. Though Islam is not supposed to have priests, the equivalent has developed in most Moslem countries, and a religious establishment has arisen, which in many of them has enormous power. So in this respect Islam was a retrograde step.​

Also the god concept of Islam can hardly be an improvement on paganism, as even though Allah is called ‘the merciful, the beneficent’, this is hardly borne out by his action in torturing all non-believers in hell forever. A description of the Moslem hell will give some idea of the nature of the sort of god they believe in.​

THE MOSLEM HELL​

In the Moslem hell one’s skin is constantly being renewed after being roasted through so the victim can “taste the penalty.” They will be wearing a garment of fire. They will eat foul fruits and be made to drink boiling water. Over their heads will be poured boiling water. The water is not just boiling but foetid and “in gulps will he sip it, but never will he be near swallowing down his throat. Death will come to him from every quarter, yet will he not die; and in front of him will be a chastisement unrelenting.” It will last forever, and it will not be lightened and he will be in despair. They will beg for death but it will be denied. As if that were not enough–“there will be maces of iron to punish them,”​

INDIA​

The intolerance of Islam towards polytheism (the worship of more than one god) has drowned the world in blood. This was particularly the case in India. In most parts of the world the pagans found it easier to give in and become Moslems. But the Hindus were prepared to fight.​

When the Moslems got to India they attacked the Hindus, killed them, and destroyed their temples and images. In Kanauj alone 10,000 temples were destroyed, and 50,000 Hindus were killed.​

The Hindus Bet on with each other quite well. There has been very little conflict between the various sects of that religion. As far as they are concerned a man can worship anything he wants or nothing at all. Hinduism is very tolerant in the matter of religion.​

The religious strife between Moslems and Hindus is still continuing. An eyewitness to the religious fighting during the British Raj states:​

“The moment the crowd decided that one of the opposite religions had been killed, then everyone in one form of dress would turn on the others… Thousands upon thousands an hour being killed, and of course it was a most terrifying sight. They’d pick up any weapon they could, they shouted, they smashed, they always tried to whittle out the opposition so that they were heavily outnumbered… Or you could go across Bridge, and you could see them being laid on their faces, with their heads poking out over the bridge, and being beheaded into the river, and their bodies being thrown in afterwards. Of course, after the riot the river was practically choked with dead bodies …”​

In the years since Islam was first established vast numbers of people must have died as a result of its teachings. Glubb estimates that perhaps one or two people might have been killed in a normal Bedoin raid. In the religious wars that took place when Mohammed proclaimed Jihad (holy war) many millions have been killed.​

When India was granted independence over 1,000,000 were killed in the strife which broke out between members of the two religions.​

Even as I write these words reports are coming in from all over the world–in India, Indonesia, Iran, the Philippines, North Africa–of Moslems fighting each other, and the members of other religions. One does not read of Buddhists, Jains, Parsees fighting members of other religions. It’s always the Moslems who are involved–apart from Protestants and Catholics fighting each other in Northern Ireland.​

One can only conclude that there is something about this religion that causes this to happen. This is the ‘holy’ book of Islam, the KORAN, that incites its followers to attack and kill those who belong to other faiths.​

CRUELTY TO ANIMALS​

According to Moslem halal rites, when any animal is slaughtered, the man who kills it must face towards Mecca, and say a prayer when he cuts its throat. It is essential for the animal to bleed to death, and it must be fully conscious, and cannot be tranquilized, or stunned.​

MOHAMMED​

The example of the life of Mohammed is taken, with the KORAN, as a guide to how life should be lived. It is therefore very important to consider his character, and acts. When I began writing this pamphlet, I did not think that I would like Mohammed. But the more I read about him the less attractive did I find him.​

He was guilty of the worst crimes any man can commit-murder. On one occasion he had the entire male population of a Jewish tribe, the Bani Quraizah, massacred and then had the women and children sold into slavery. Every book on Mohammed mentions this incident, and the KORAN, 33.26 refers to it.​

Mohammed had people killed for the most trivial reasons. A man called Kinana ibn All al Huquiq, who was the leader of a Jewish tribe whose fort was captured by the Moslems, tried to conceal the fact that he had gold. When an informer told Mohammed of this he had Kinana tortured by having hot coals put on his chest till he was nearly dead, and then he was killed.​

A man called Al Nadhr, who was a teller of tales, used to say of Mohammed to his audiences: “Are not my stories as good as his?” For this Mohammed orderd that his head be struck off. After the battle of Badr a man called Uqba was taken prisoner. When he was being taken away to be executed he said to Mohammed: “What will become of my little children.” Mohammed replied: Hellfire.”​

It might be thought that I am quoting from books which are hostile to Mohammed. This is not so. Only Muir’s book is slightly hostile to him. All the others go out of their way to portray him in a favourable light. We have enough evidence in the KORAN of Mohammed’s cruel nature, in the punishments he ordered, his descriptions of hell, and his incitements to his followers to kill people.​

Though he ordered the horrible mutilation of the cutting off of hands for theft, he was himself one of the biggest thieves in history. A ‘revelation’ from Allah permitted Mohammed to keep one-fifth of the spoils captured from the towns his followers invaded, and the caravans they raided.​

He was incredibly prudish. At Medina it was the practice to fertilise the female date palm tree by hand. Mohammed was so disgusted by this that he forbade his followers to practice it. The result was that hardly any of the trees bore fruit, so he had to rescind his order.​

At the same time he was extremely lecherous, as can be seen by the large number of wives he had. Karl Brookelmann, in his book, HISTORY OF THE ISLAMIC PEOPLES, says that Mohammed’s death was brought on by “an excess of pleasure taking in the harem.”​

The only thing that can be said in his favour was that he did on occasion refrain from killing people. I can’t myself see that to be a particularly great virtue.​

It might be wondered how a man with this sort of character could become so admired, and could attain the position he did. What is not realised is that many people of the time detested him.​

After ten years of preaching in Mecca he only had acquired 70 followers. When he secured a base at Medina, he used the same methods as Hitler or the American gangster Al Capone to establish his religion. All the accounts that tell us of him are biased in his favour, as death or exile awaited anyone who criticised Mohammed or the KORAN when Islam became the state religion of Arabia.​

It might be said that Mohammed was a man of his time. But we must judge him according to the standards of today, not those of 1200 years ago. We should try to improve on the ethics of the past. Moslems claim that Islam is a religion for our time, and it is by the ideals of this century that we should measure it, not by those of the 7th century.​

According to these standards Mohammed was a cruel barbarian, merciless and fanatical. He introduced religious hatred into large parts of the world that before were tolerant on such matters. He curtailed the freedom of women. He endorsed slavery. He broke up families. He ordered cruel punishments. The world would have been a better place if he had never been born.​

 

[duluxe]

Those Muslims who subscribe to this teaching should be gathered and gassed like how the Nazis did it to the Jews in WW2. US and Israel can do it alone if the other G7 countries do not go along.

The rest of the humankind can do without muslims but muslims cannot DO with those they called kaafirs. Without the kaafir invented mobile phone and internet, they will be living in medieval age of barbaric hudud laws. Without kaafirs, they don't have the IQ or the inspirations from KORAN can't help to bring up the OIL under their feet.

Islam is peaceful on paper and name.

 

[syed putra]

Those Muslims who subscribe to this teaching should be gathered and gassed like how the Nazis did it to the Jews in WW2. US and Israel can do it alone if the other G7 countries do not go along.

We can start doing it on Chinese first. Just to test the equipment to see if IT'S effective.

 

[syed putra]

And mandatory for you to fight when the Khalifah orders it.
So that verse reminds you to go do your duty when it comes.
Doesn't mean for no reason you go fight.

I think no it's clearly stated, we are to strive for righteous and just causes. If khalifa is a tyrant, you cannot simply follow the leader.

 

[Loofydralb]

I think no it's clearly stated, we are to strive for righteous and just causes. If khalifa is a tyrant, you cannot simply follow the leader.

The caliphate system is more democratic than you can imagine. There is no generational transfer in the family but the best amongst them gets appointed by the rest. In fact historically, people have refused to become the caliph because of the great responsibility and answerable to Allah.
It is not autocratic nor tyranny.