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The failure of past success - HDB

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
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The news article published on The New Paper is not new. Moons ago, The Malay Newspaper Berita Harian has published alarming figures on those who are forced out of their HDB flats when they could not afford to pay their mortgage. They were even told by the HDB staff to "stay with their friends or relatives" instead of giving them a solution to their housing-financial woes.

The newspaper report actually gave a slanted connotation on the whole issue. Did Mr. Rafi bought a flat that is way beyond his means? Apparently no. Base on a monthly salary of $2,800, his mortgage payment of $900 is just about one third of his total salary. Ask any financial planner and they will tell you that this is quite alright. He did not buy a house that he could not afford back then.

It is only when he lost his job and found a job that pay less than half of what he used to get that make him unable to fulfill his mortgage payment. This is the key problem that the reporter refused to address.

Of course the reporter hinted that the blame of his plight now is due to "ill advice" from property agent but seriously, what other options could he possibly have other than selling off the flat that he could no longer afford?

The REAL BLAME lies in HDB and its policy! HDB KNEW that Rafi and his family can no longer afford to pay the mortgage and the only option is for him to sell their flat. But wait, where should they be living if they sell their flat? HDB refused their plead to rent a flat from them! I mean, rules and regulations aside, HDB could actually sit there and tell people that sorry, they could only live off the street or live with somebody else and they could not rent any flat to them!

What has become of this PAP government? This is a clear case of REAL NEED! Housing policy such as HDB has been one of PAP's greatest political achievement back in the 1970s and 1980s. They were proud to say that every Singaporeans will have a decent roof over their heads and this is their great political achievement. But now, this no longer holds any truth!

HDB, through the PAP government's policy, has actually DENIED Singaporeans of any roof over their heads! This should be the REAL ISSUE of this newspaper report! And there are many more people in the same plight and it was reported in Berita Harian that many Singaporeans who could not pay for their flats will be evicted out of their flats and HDB will not provide any alternative housing (i.e. rented flats) for them!

I think PAP's ultra-capitalist approach to governing Singapore has just gone too far. Where are the visions and promises of the past PAP for Singaporeans to have decent roof over their heads, a decent job, really cheap subsidized healthcare and the great promise of CPF covering their retirement needs?

Contrary to what Prime Minister Lee wanted us to believe in his National Day Rally, Singapore has become worse, not better! At the very least, back in 1970s and 1980s, we do not leave people to live off the street without a roof over their heads. We did not need to demand patients and their family members to guarantee that they are able to pay for whatever medical costs before admitting them into the hospitals which are now really overpriced. We did not have massive influx of Foreign workers to become cheap labour substitutes of Singapore workers and depressing our wage. Our wages are stagnant or even regressed for some segment of Singaporeans for the past 10 years while price hikes (Public Transport fare) become a common practice.

PAP's past success has failed. CPF as retirement funding has failed. HDB as part of 100% housing for all has failed. Affordable basic Healthcare has failed. Providing stable and good pay jobs has failed. There is really little past success of PAP left.

Goh Meng Seng


Mon, Aug 17, 2009
The New Paper

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Their spiral into the streets
 

singveld

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
maybe it is lies
someone against pap
made up this story

my friend lost his job

PAP gave him 250 per month

and 90 for 3 months to pay PUB bills

and waive all payments to HDB.

what lies in this forum about PAP, if you hate them, just say you hate them, dun tell lies, it does not help the opposition cause.
 

Einfield

Alfrescian
Loyal
GMS should go find Mr Rafi.


maybe it is lies
someone against pap
made up this story

my friend lost his job

PAP gave him 250 per month

and 90 for 3 months to pay PUB bills

and waive all payments to HDB.

what lies in this forum about PAP, if you hate them, just say you hate them, dun tell lies, it does not help the opposition cause.
 

Nice-Gook

Alfrescian
Loyal
hdb.gif

TDid Mr. Rafi bought a flat that is way beyond his means? Apparently no. Base on a monthly salary of $2,800, his mortgage payment of $900 is just about one third of his total salary. Ask any financial planner and they will tell you that this is quite alright. He did not buy a house that he could not afford back then.

It is only when he lost his job and found a job that pay less than half of what he used to get that make him unable to fulfill his mortgage payment. This is the key problem that the reporter refused to address.

Excellent.Well written.Why don't you post it to ST and see if they refuse to publish your letter.
 

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
I don't think these are lies.

It was reported in the newspapers that HDB is going to ask those who have not paid their HDB mortgages to give up their flats.

It was also reported in Berita Harian that many people have lost their HDB flats due to eviction orders.

Goh Meng Seng

maybe it is lies
someone against pap
made up this story

my friend lost his job

PAP gave him 250 per month

and 90 for 3 months to pay PUB bills

and waive all payments to HDB.

what lies in this forum about PAP, if you hate them, just say you hate them, dun tell lies, it does not help the opposition cause.
 
U

UpYoz_olo

Guest
I don't think these are lies.

It was reported in the newspapers that HDB is going to ask those who have not paid their HDB mortgages to give up their flats.

It was also reported in Berita Harian that many people have lost their HDB flats due to eviction orders.

Goh Meng Seng

Why don't you help by letting them squat in your premises? Kill 2 birds: (a) solve their housing prob., (b) free jagas for your premises while they squat.

Up Yoz
 

Goh Meng Seng

Alfrescian (InfP) [Comp]
Generous Asset
Why don't you help by letting them squat in your premises? Kill 2 birds: (a) solve their housing prob., (b) free jagas for your premises while they squat.

Up Yoz

The government has more resources to do that. :wink:

Goh Meng Seng
 

soIsee

Alfrescian
Loyal
mats wants to live beyond his means and when this fails, blames every other person except himself!:d
 

oli9

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Loyal
I'll tell you guys of another true reptile blooded HDB story.

I know of a couple who bought a new 5 room in Sengkang. A year later, due to differences, both parted ways & divorce is the only path.
My guy friend wanted to keep the HDB (a roof over his head) but NOOOO......HDB threw a policy at him stating that part of owning a HDB flat is to have a family nucleus. He has no siblings & his family already has their names on another HDB.
So after another year of pleading, he had to give up his flat at 95% of PURCHASE PRICE. By the way, the couple throw in about $30k on renovations. And HDB dont give a shit whether you paid $500K for your reno.
He surrendered his flat eventually.
Not long afterwards, he happened to found out that his flat which he vacated was sold to someone else at a 30% markup!!!!! Source of info was from his neighbor. If HDB is not profiteering at someone's misery, then I dont know what is.
Im sure many of us do know of horror stories from HDB. May the HDB policymakers burn many times in hell. Amen to that!!!!!
 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
maybe it is lies
someone against pap
made up this story

my friend lost his job

PAP gave him 250 per month

and 90 for 3 months to pay PUB bills

and waive all payments to HDB.

what lies in this forum about PAP, if you hate them, just say you hate them, dun tell lies, it does not help the opposition cause.

Is your friend a memeber?...these things don't come FREE!!!, when the piper plays the tune, one have to respond...like when the MP appear...you must appear..one leg or not...!!

Yeah !!..the payment from the fund for paying utilities bills is $30 a month, to get $250 a month...a family of 4 must not earn more than S$800 ( may have been raised)...


That person receiving that kind of help is in dire straits..ok!

And when election is coming, they are ever so kind, generoud & nice, even the grass LOOTS members..I mean, grass ROOTS...after that.....you try, you become like "OLIVER" asking for more gruel....

Nothing comes for free.....and FREE it isn't....these are lies?...ARE YOU A MEMBER?...members have their privileges...:p
 

jixiaolan

Alfrescian
Loyal
maybe it is lies
someone against pap
made up this story

my friend lost his job

PAP gave him 250 per month

and 90 for 3 months to pay PUB bills

and waive all payments to HDB.

what lies in this forum about PAP, if you hate them, just say you hate them, dun tell lies, it does not help the opposition cause.

Is yr that friend a RC member? Normal peasants i dun tink will get anything de cos Singapore Inc. practise workfare not welfare.
 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
I'll tell you guys of another true reptile blooded HDB story.

I know of a couple who bought a new 5 room in Sengkang. A year later, due to differences, both parted ways & divorce is the only path.
My guy friend wanted to keep the HDB (a roof over his head) but NOOOO......HDB threw a policy at him stating that part of owning a HDB flat is to have a family nucleus. He has no siblings & his family already has their names on another HDB.
So after another year of pleading, he had to give up his flat at 95% of PURCHASE PRICE. By the way, the couple throw in about $30k on renovations. And HDB dont give a shit whether you paid $500K for your reno.
He surrendered his flat eventually.
Not long afterwards, he happened to found out that his flat which he vacated was sold to someone else at a 30% markup!!!!! Source of info was from his neighbor. If HDB is not profiteering at someone's misery, then I dont know what is.
Im sure many of us do know of horror stories from HDB. May the HDB policymakers burn many times in hell. Amen to that!!!!!

He should have put on a 'thinking cap' and beat the system...these are the kinds that, they government is happy to have, for they can be kicked around

If this was an "AH TIONG", turned citizen...you see, AH TION will kick a big fuss out of this.

I understand his predicament...but he should have asked around for a solution....not become HDB SOLUTION!!:(
 

halsey02

Alfrescian (Inf)
Asset
The government has more resources to do that. :wink:

Goh Meng Seng

The resources are which the people contributed through taxes, direct or indirect, CPF monies... and they are used against them, transparently!! that is the problem that they do not see the forest from the trees!! and that is exactly what the oppositions are indulging in also!:mad:
 

oli9

Alfrescian
Loyal
He should have put on a 'thinking cap' and beat the system...these are the kinds that, they government is happy to have, for they can be kicked around

If this was an "AH TIONG", turned citizen...you see, AH TION will kick a big fuss out of this.

I understand his predicament...but he should have asked around for a solution....not become HDB SOLUTION!!:(


Trust me. He did all he could. Even went to his MP to seek help. But as all the kings' men would say "There are rules & there are rules".
We have truly become a nation of rules that humiliates the small wonder of hope.
 

Wang Ye

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Loyal
HDB has long lost it's original focus of deliverying AFFORDABLE housing to the masses. It's now about monopolised profit from 99 yr leases in an environment of "free" market pricing (yah right!).
 
Z

Zombie

Guest
Minimum occupation period for new HDB flat is 5 years. Its stated very clearly on HDB website. Not allowed to sell to anyone except back to HDB

Then they should work out the exit route properly.
 

cass888

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Loyal
Buying a place which commits 1/3 of your salary is really foolhardy. Financial planners who say it is ok are just after your money.

A prudent person earning $2,800 would have bought a place that requires a mortgage payment of no more than $700. $500 to $600 would have been better. But of course such a house is just too small too far too ulu etc for big time Mr Rafi.

Did Mr. Rafi bought a flat that is way beyond his means? Apparently no. Base on a monthly salary of $2,800, his mortgage payment of $900 is just about one third of his total salary. Ask any financial planner and they will tell you that this is quite alright. He did not buy a house that he could not afford back then.
 

Communist

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Loyal
Trust me. He did all he could. Even went to his MP to seek help. But as all the kings' men would say "There are rules & there are rules".
We have truly become a nation of rules that humiliates the small wonder of hope.

Kudos to your friend for not resorting to the "Ler" doctrine. Proposing a conspiracy to McDonalds siao tiaos!
 
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