The Dutch have had enough of this Covid nonsense

[pvtpublic]

This whole Covid saga started off when the Dems realised that they could blame Trump for everything. It spiraled downward from there as more and more governments caught on that the pandemic could be used to their political advantage NZ included.

Big Pharma joined the party as governments around the world started to sign vaccine agreements for vaccines that hadn't even been brought to market.

Big Tech? Tell me which tech company has not benefited from lockdowns, work from home orders and a surge of on line activity from captive humans who were not allowed out of their rooms. All this required new computers, faster connections, webcams etc which in turn required more servers, routers, cables, cooling/heating and so on.

The majority of people are sheep which is what makes it so easy to herd them into submission.

are you saying there was a deliberate plan to move things along or that the various industries stumbled into their respective gold mines?...not letting a good crisis go to waste sort of thing?

In short, has there been a deliberate attempt made at a great re-set?

 

[Leongsam]

are you saying there was a deliberate plan to move things along or that the various industries stumbled into their respective gold mines?...not letting a good crisis go to waste sort of thing?

In short, has there been a deliberate attempt made at a great re-set?

My guess is that is was a combination of both. Some saw it coming while others grabbed the opportunity. I was one the latter and I have to confess that although I am anti-lockdown I have gained financially from this whole fiasco.

The shutting of borders and the creation of a large domestic tourism market has done wonders when it comes to rents and property prices. Because of the situation in Europe and the USA many overseas Kiwis have flocked back home and they all need somewhere to live.

It will be sad to see the world opening up again and the pressure on housing easing considerably.

 

[sweetiepie]

Almost 60 million people die each year.

The figure for those that died of/with Covid now stands at 2.2 million over the course of a year which is a mere 3.6% of total annual deaths. It's a minuscule number in the overall mortality picture.

Bearing in mind that the figure is inflated by classifying those that died of something else but had tested positive for the virus were classified as Covid deaths and you'll find the number of real Covid deaths is far lower which means that genuine Covid deaths could be less than 2% of total deaths.

I do not personally know anyone who has died of Covid but I am still mourning the loss of friends that have died from cancer and heart attacks.

Numerous well known old farts have caught Covid and they're all still around including Trump, Boris Johnson, Tom Hanks and other so called celebrities.

This whole thing is just one big nothing burger and one of the biggest con jobs in the history of mankind.

KNN my uncle say this is partly true but don't forget becas covid19 is a very contagious disease so drastic approach is leequired or else majority of human beings will be sicked even is not severe KNN when majority of human is sicked the economy will still be impacted becas many people will take mc KNN this will become a loop becas after leecovery very soon they will be infected again KNN unless the herd immunity can leelee work or virus stop mutating KNN but will this work ? KNN

 

[sweetiepie]

KNN my uncle say this is partly true but don't forget becas covid19 is a very contagious disease so drastic approach is leequired or else majority of human beings will be sicked even is not severe KNN when majority of human is sicked the economy will still be impacted becas many people will take mc KNN this will become a loop becas after leecovery very soon they will be infected again KNN unless the herd immunity can leelee work or virus stop mutating KNN but will this work ? KNN

Now use your fucking mind to think again the initial proposal my uncle made in Feb 2020 KNN I.e to lockdown the whole fucking world for 2 mths to get rid of the virus once and for all VS letting the virus spread naturalee and everyone taking mc KNN which will take longer to leesolve? KNN

 

[sweetiepie]

Now use your fucking mind to think again the initial proposal my uncle made in Feb 2020 KNN I.e to lockdown the whole fucking world for 2 mths to get rid of the virus once and for all VS letting the virus spread naturalee and everyone taking mc KNN which will take longer to leesolve? KNN

@Leongsam KNN my uncle leemember you ever said what my uncle said is crazy becas things are not so simple to lock down the entire world becas life's and livings cannot pause as it is not as simple KNN now my uncle asked you back having the virus spread naturalee is easier or pausing the world for 2 mths ? KNN

 

[Leongsam]

KNN my uncle say this is partly true but don't forget becas covid19 is a very contagious disease so drastic approach is leequired or else majority of human beings will be sicked even is not severe KNN when majority of human is sicked the economy will still be impacted becas many people will take mc KNN this will become a loop becas after leecovery very soon they will be infected again KNN unless the herd immunity can leelee work or virus stop mutating KNN but will this work ? KNN

It's not very contagious because the woman in managed isolation in Auckland caught it and then went all over the place and not a single person caught it from her. Even her husband did not catch it despite the fact that she caught the supposedly more virulent South African strain.

 

[pvtpublic]

My guess is that is was a combination of both. Some saw it coming while others grabbed the opportunity. I was one the latter and I have to confess that although I am anti-lockdown I have gained financially from this whole fiasco.

The shutting of borders and the creation of a large domestic tourism market has done wonders when it comes to rents and property prices. Because of the situation in Europe and the USA many overseas Kiwis have flocked back home and they all need somewhere to live.

It will be sad to see the world opening up again and the pressure on housing easing considerably.

truth be told, I too am enjoying the fruits of the lockdown. strange times we live in.

i think it's great for the environment. the air has never been cleaner than now and sunsets are amazingly beautiful. greta must be cumming in her pants every night.

so thanks to whomever that started this shit storm.

 

[LordElrond]

It's not very contagious because the woman in managed isolation in Auckland caught it and then went all over the place and not a single person caught it from her. Even her husband did not catch it despite the fact that she caught the supposedly more virulent South African strain.

This whole theory you are spewing... what’s the name of this religion?

 

[Leongsam]

This whole theory you are spewing... what’s the name of this religion?

Hardly a theory all I'm doing is making evidence based comments. A woman who supposedly has caught a MORE contagious strain of the virus spreads it to NOBODY. What conclusion would you draw from that?

 

[pvtpublic]

What conclusion would you draw from that?

that wearing masks work to prevent spread

 

[cocobobo]

This whole thing is just one big nothing burger and one of the biggest con jobs in the history of mankind.

This can be easily debunked by looking at brazil, the town of Manaus particularly. The govt downplayed the virus and many in the town of Manaus caught it in the first wave in August. The death figures were not disclosed but it was higher than usual, leading to mass graves.

Then the second wave struck in January. Experts thought the town was well-prepared with herd immunity but the new variant killed more than the first wave.

There are now queus of people outside an oxygen bottling plant there to refill oxygen tanks for sick family members as hospitals are full and they have to look after themselves.

I'd be happy if brazil showed the world its a minor bug and we could all get on with our lives but all it showed is there is a virus that made people sick, and killed off many. Indonesia is a very close parallel to Manaus in the sense that its half-baked between sg and brazil in lockdown measures. I'm referring to the death rates (not infection rates).

 

[Leongsam]

This can be easily debunked by looking at brazil, the town of Manaus particularly. The govt downplayed the virus and many in the town of Manaus caught it in the first wave in August. The death figures were not disclosed but it was higher than usual, leading to mass graves.

Then the second wave struck in January. Experts thought the town was well-prepared with herd immunity but the new variant killed more than the first wave.

There are now queus of people outside an oxygen bottling plant there to refill oxygen tanks for sick family members as hospitals are full and they have to look after themselves.

I'd be happy if brazil showed the world its a minor bug and we could all get on with our lives but all it showed is there is a virus that made people sick, and killed off many. Indonesia is a very close parallel to Manaus in the sense that its half-baked between sg and brazil in lockdown measures. I'm referring to the death rates (not infection rates).

Death rates are pretty low and the body count is highly inflated based upon the definition of a Covid death as anyone who tested positive within a window leading up to the time of death.

The fact that overall mortality has hardly changed shows just how mild the virus actually is.

In the whole of the EU only 300,000 excess deaths have been reported out of a population of 448 million which is only 0.067%.

If you consider the fact that numbers are inflated to include those which died with Covid rather than of Covid that percentage is actually even lower still.

Healthcare & Pharma
January 21, 20211:42 AMUpdated 11 days ago
EU reports nearly 300,000 excess deaths in 8 months of 2020
By Reuters Staff
2 Min Read


FILE PHOTO: People wear face masks as they walk past a bus during lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic in Berlin, Germany, January 19, 2021. REUTERS/Fabrizio Bensch/File Photo
(Reuters) - Around 297,500 more people died in the European Union between March and October last year compared with the same period in 2016 to 2019, according to EU data published on Wednesday.

March 2020 was when the coronavirus pandemic began spreading across most of Europe and October is the last month for which data for all 27 EU member states are available.

Statistics from Eurostat showed that across the bloc, excess mortality - the increase in total number of deaths, from any cause, compared to that of previous years - peaked during the early rise of COVID-19 in April 2020 at 24.9%.


Summer lulls began at different times across the region, before numbers rose again in autumn, and still further in November in all member states with available data.

Poland led the excess mortality at 97.2% in November, followed by Bulgaria and Slovenia with 94.5% and 91.4% respectively.

Denmark, Finland and Estonia saw the smallest number of excess deaths in November, with 5.5%, 5.6% and 6.4% respectively.


With 0.7% less excess deaths, Norway - not an EU member state - was the only country Eurostat covered which did not see the number rise in November.

While substantial jumps in excess mortality largely coincide with COVID-19 outbreaks, Eurostat’s indicator does not break down the numbers according to the cause of death, sex or age groups.

 

[Leongsam]

that wearing masks work to prevent spread

There is no mask requirement in NZ. Had she been forced to wear a mask things would have been a lot worse.