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The Demise of the Singapore Police Force

GoldenDragon

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What about compounding if both parties settled outside? If someone kena charge and later, the other party decide to drop charges, is this compoundable for VCH ot VCGH?

Honestly speaking, the law favor those who know them. Those who don't know law really ass luck.

Most VCH cases compoundable except road bully cases. If it was a more serious charge downgraded to VCH, less chance.
 

scroobal

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Thanks for the assurance bro, blood already reaching boiling point. That mudderfucker can still stomp on a fallen and defenseless lady

New Comdr at Tanglin very on. Still a bachelor. Lots of time to be of service to the nation. No distraction with golf or char bor.

HI there lau chiao. Excellent investigator. I am sure this case will be number 1 priority. New Comdr needs to impress a beh cai CP.

Your chances of funding an investigation not likely to succeed.
 

Froggy

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New Comdr at Tanglin very on. Still a bachelor. Lots of time to be of service to the nation. No distraction with golf or char bor.

金龙哥 your description above made him sound like he's a gay or something.
 

jw5

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The problem is "HURT" is a very subjective term and requires the subject to file a case first to make sure that the subject is truly "hurt" and want to pursue the matter. Police cannot anyhow investigate VHS because you pinch someone is considered "HURT" also.

Tks for your reply.
I can understand if the police do not want to spend too much time and resources to investigate cases of pinching or even pushing or shoving.
But firstly, they must respond to any call, and secondly, they should be able to exercise judgement whether to continuing pursuing the case or simply to advise making a magistrate's report. And not based on who is the one complaining.
 

jw5

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Bro, Voluntary Causing Hurt (VCH) cases, under section 323 of the Penal Code is non-seizable. Police will advice the aggrieved party to lodge a Magistrate Complaint at the Subordinate Court. From there, a Magistrate will direct a land division to investgate. Most of these files are sat on in the land divisions. IOs there have too many IPs to investigate. These Magistrate Complaint files were a nuisance while I was around. I suspect it still is.

There is no need to refer to Magistrate in 323 cases if it involves road bullies. I think YPH was the one behind this. Such cases will involve incarceration 99% of the time. Few escaped this.

Thanks for your reply and your personal take, GD.
There is no doubt that many of these VCH cases are over really petty things and can be resolved even without police involvment.
Just hope that police at whatever level can exercise sound and fair judgement, for the protection of all ordinary citizens.
 

jw5

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Answers to both questions is generally yes. The main reason is that assault involving violence varies widely from a push, shove, slap to all out assault with bodily injuries, bleeding but not broken bones or extended period of hospitalisation.

administering social justice.

That is justice for you Singapore style.

Scroobal, thanks for your reply and the thread.
I highlighted certain parts of your reply above for a reason.
It is not just the police force that may give the perception of being lacking where it comes to administering justice.
It starts from the top tier, downwards to the seocnd and third tiers, to the press and even to the ordinary people.
Somehow, even many people these days have come to accept certain things and practices as second nature.
There will be the minority who complain of course, but in vain.

Just to highight certain examples, WW, Ma Chi's deadly ferrari killing cab driver and his passenger, 32 year old Sri Lankan architect killing woman going for dinner with grandchildren, woman getting assaulted by man at Sophia Road, man telling reporters that it's no big deal that his son drove drunk, an election candidate being labelled dishonest and lacking integrity and people accepting it, etc etc.
Justice is lacking in our society and even if we don't expect equality, we should be trying to work towards an equitable society. But it is not happening.
Very angry.
 

scroobal

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Bro, I am with you. I am also aware that you have been consistent for over a decade in seeking answers to this recurrent theme.

For instance, when Police answers a call for help even at the door of famous personality in the US / UK and the lady of the house has clears signs of injuries, the hubby is picked up on the spot. In Singapore, wife blue black, black eye - out comes the direction on how to lodge magistrates complaint and medical form.

We had a neighbour in the same position. Years later when her kids were in their teens heard that the schooling going son took mother to Police station to make a complaint. Sad.

Scroobal, thanks for your reply and the thread.
I highlighted certain parts of your reply above for a reason.
It is not just the police force that may give the perception of being lacking where it comes to administering justice.
It starts from the top tier, downwards to the seocnd and third tiers, to the press and even to the ordinary people.
Somehow, even many people these days have come to accept certain things and practices as second nature.
There will be the minority who complain of course, but in vain.

Just to highight certain examples, WW, Ma Chi's deadly ferrari killing cab driver and his passenger, 32 year old Sri Lankan architect killing woman going for dinner with grandchildren, woman getting assaulted by man at Sophia Road, man telling reporters that it's no big deal that his son drove drunk, an election candidate being labelled dishonest and lacking integrity and people accepting it, etc etc.
Justice is lacking in our society and even if we don't expect equality, we should be trying to work towards an equitable society. But it is not happening.
Very angry.
 

kingrant

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Trouble is there is a long list of what constitutes grievous hurt, and lowest common denominator is must be at leadt some breakage or disablement - little finger broken, bone cracked etc. If only black eye, I doubt it, tho I stand corrected.

A classification of suspected grievous hurt under sec 325 PENDING medical report would be the safest route to take.

Not sure if it is uniquely Singapore but my guess is it isn't.
 

kingrant

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Indeed, policing of this country's streets has gone to the dogs! Bring me back the good ole Malay Sgt mata in the baggy kaki shorts and wooden truncheon. Bring me back the inspectors and ASPs promoted from rank and file, instead of third grade scholars. The police today cant or wont even get a right charge on Woffles Wu to stick properly and does nothing to protect ordinary law-abiding citizens who have put faith and trust in them.

What has our country become? No country for old men?

PSC and the cabinet do a great disservice to this country when they strip an organisation of excellent and well groomed Police Scholars and we then reach down an empty barrel to find only one apple. Leo and Heng are two examples. Khoo Boon Hui was deemed unfit to be in the SAF and thrown to the SPF. BL and others who are operationally and organisationally superb end up in ISD.

So the general public end up with mediocre crap running thru the various veins of the organisation.

Your last para is spot on.

When i saw the video of the assault of the poor lady, my heart melted. I am prepared to fund an entire investigation to bring this arsehole to justice if the fucking Police Force is not prepared to do so.
 

GoldenDragon

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Thanks for the assurance bro, blood already reaching boiling point. That mudderfucker can still stomp on a fallen and defenseless lady

HI Deep Singh is a very competent investigator. I rank him as the best we have in the SPF today. He rose up through hard work. Did well in Organised Crime Branch. Nothing to do with porlumpar or playing politics. He will ably guide his IO through this case.

A pity we don't have any detectives left to bash up the accused person. He deserves a beating in the lock-up. I would gladly do it if still in service. Leave no traces, no case.
 

GoldenDragon

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Trouble is there is a long list of what constitutes grievous hurt, and lowest common denominator is must be at leadt some breakage or disablement - little finger broken, bone cracked etc. If only black eye, I doubt it, tho I stand corrected.

Black eye baru VCH. But can still arrest. Just classify it as VCGH pending medical report. Can also arrest the aggressor to prevent breach of public peace. Want to stretch further also can. Bring him back for suspicion of drug consumption. Many ways to skin a cat.
 

GoldenDragon

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Someone told me that Lionel's son is a Drug addict.

That's right. Drug addict son is a member of Sio Gi Ho. Another son member of Hong Hong San. Thrid son member at Changi Village. Father PAP member. Asst Sec at Hougang I think. Don't play play. Great daddy!
 

kingrant

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Bro, I havent seen such arrests for a long long time. I read of that case at Sembawang rd where a motorist punched and beat up another badly because the victim asked the former to remove his car becos it was blocking the entrance to the public car park and therefore him.

Nothing happened to the case after that. Police came and went and asked victim to file a magistrate complaint.Another case was that assault on 2 good samaritans by 2 NZ whites after a MMA event outside suntec city.

One will think that we had eunuchs for policemen.

Can also arrest the aggressor to prevent breach of public peace. Want to stretch further also can. Bring him back for suspicion of drug consumption. Many ways to skin a cat.
 

GoldenDragon

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Bro, I havent seen such arrests for a long long time. I read of that case at Sembawang rd where a motorist punched and beat up another badly because the victim asked the former to remove his car becos it was blocking the entrance to the public car park and therefore him.

Nothing happened to the case after that. Police came and went and asked victim to file a magistrate complaint.Another case was that assault on 2 good samaritans by 2 NZ whites after a MMA event outside suntec city.

One will think that we had eunuchs for policemen.

Bro, standard in the SPF heading south. They are now more concerned with IMAGE. If this Sophia Rd incident took place in the 80s, knna I pity the puki-ma. The ampais will teach him a lesson he will not forget. Today? They will probably address him as Mr So-and-So or worse, sir.

Back in the 80s, paikias see SSB chaps, they ran and took cover. Currently, the paikias can't even identify the SSB detectives. Too young, bo experience. Worse, want to act garang without substance. It's a joke.
 

BuiKia

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This is the video...some say both male and female are PRC

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aurvandil

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The way in which the SPF constructs their KPIs plays a large part in the way the SPF behaves.

SPF "success" is measured the number of crimes SPF handles as defined in the annual crime statistics. SPF is considered to be doing well if there is a continuous decline the number of crimes in the annual crime statistics.

To achieve this, most people expect SPF to be efficent and effective.

Unfortuantely being efficent and effective means a lot of work and use of a lot of resources. Over time however, SPF has learnt that there is a much easier way to manupilate statistics. The most common of this is to legalise the illegal activity. For example how can we reduce the number of loan sharking cases? Simple - Give them moneylending licenses and encourage them to set up pawn broking/money lending business. How about solving the China prostitute problem? Easy too. Create a new class of China prostitute brothels and get the pimps to keep the girls indoors.

If you see things in this light, you can see that SPF is being "clever" with their current treatment of VCH. By creating a cumbersome and ineffective procedure, fewer cases get reported. This leads to not only less work. It gives "better" crime statistics which SPF can then use to show they are doing a wonderful job.

Tks for your reply.
I can understand if the police do not want to spend too much time and resources to investigate cases of pinching or even pushing or shoving.
But firstly, they must respond to any call, and secondly, they should be able to exercise judgement whether to continuing pursuing the case or simply to advise making a magistrate's report. And not based on who is the one complaining.
 
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