The curious case of todays vaxxed death

[JHolmesJr]

Let's break it down, shall we?

Age 41, fully vaxxed.

Ahem....underlying conditions: severe lung disease + heavily compromised immune system.

From what I have read, these are classic symptoms suffered by some of the unlucky ones who got the jabs.

Severe clots in the lungs and internal immune system carnage where the T cells turn on and ravage your own cells
that are producing the spike.

A sad case that perhaps may have turned out differently if the government had not greenlit jabs for severely
immunocompromised people....and the recepient was not such a fan of dining in at malls.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...sed-people-can-now-get-covid-19-jabs-in-spore

 

[blackmondy]

The vaccine made his immune system worked harder than it should until it cannot tahan, hence causing organ failure.

 

[JHolmesJr]

The vaccine made his immune system worked harder than it should until it cannot tahan, hence causing organ failure.

Beeeep! Wrong!
Those two incidents are not connected....immune system working harder ≠ organ failure

 

[nayr69sg]

@JHolmesJr I think you are anti-mRNA vaccine.

But the overall anti-vaccine movement was already around before covid. I can bet you the same people opposing measles vaccine are also opposing mRNA vaccine AND sinovac and what not.

https://www.todayonline.com/world/a...-vaccine-preventable-diseases-south-east-asia

'Anti-vax' movement fuels rise in measles, vaccine-preventable diseases in South-east Asia
Published MARCH 28, 2019
Updated MARCH 28, 2019
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HONG KONG — Vaccination rates for measles have dipped across South-east Asia, falling below the 95 per cent mark which experts say is needed to fully protect a community from the infectious disease.

At the same time, cases of measles have spiked in Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines in recent years — part of a worldwide 50 per cent increase seen last year, according to the World Health Organisation (WHO).

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For the past two years, the Philippines and Indonesia have had the world’s second- and third-highest rates of measles, behind India.

In the first two months of this year, 70 people died of measles in the Philippines. Cases skyrocketed to more than 20,000 last year — a 10-fold increase from 2017. In Indonesia, cases doubled from 2015 to a high of 11,300 in 2017, and 5,500 in 2018.

Measles symptoms include rashes and high fever. The disease mainly affects children and is highly infectious. According to the WHO, roughly 2.6 million people died annually from measles before the advent of mass vaccinations in the 1980s.

Anti-vaccine sentiment has been on the rise worldwide in the past two decades, particularly in the United States and in Europe — which saw 83,000 cases last year.

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One more time, with big data: Measles vaccine doesn’t cause autism

A 1998 study — discredited but still cited in anti-vaccine communities online — linked the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine with autism, and coincided with growing public mistrust of medical experts and pharmaceutical companies.

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“If a family opts out of the measles vaccine, the unvaccinated can act as a razor wire for the virus,” said professor of pharmacology Tahir Khan at Monash University in Kuala Lumpur. “Then it can be transmitted even to vaccinated children during an active outbreak — increasing healthcare costs and the national disease burden.”

As elsewhere, anti-vaccine sentiment in South-east Asia stems from public mistrust in the safety and efficacy of vaccines. Government mismanagement has made matters worse, with cases of mislabelling and faulty vaccines being spread widely on social media.

Religious and ethical concerns within Muslim communities in Indonesia and Malaysia have also had an effect.

A massive drive by Indonesia to vaccinate 70 million children last year was derailed when the country’s influential Islamic Council issued a fatwa against the measles vaccine because it contained pig components.

Although the council clarified the vaccine could be used given no available alternatives, vaccination rates plummeted across South-east Asia’s most populous nation to an average of 65 per cent – and as low as 6 per cent in Sumatra’s Aceh province.

“This was the worst rate in vaccination programme history,” said professor of pharmacology Auliya Suwantika at Padjadjaran University in Bandung.

Low public confidence in vaccines caused measles vaccination rates in the Philippines to tumble to just 55 per cent last year, after a faulty dengue vaccine was distributed nationwide.

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Explainer: Low vaccination rates, global outbreaks fuel US measles spread

The French-made drug Dengvaxia was given to hundreds of thousands of children before being recalled for raising the risk of contracting severe dengue fever and allegedly contributing to at least 10 deaths.

Malaysia also saw MMR vaccination rates decline to 89 per cent last year, according to Deputy Health Minister Lee Boon Chye. From a low of only 184 cases in 2013, Malaysia had 2,500 reported measles cases last year.

Malaysia’s Health Ministry is considering changing the law to make vaccination compulsory for all school children, as it is in neighbouring Singapore, where there were just 27 cases of measles last year.

“Personal understanding and family culture have important roles in vaccine refusal,” said Prof Khan, who has studied vaccination acceptability among Muslims in South-east Asia and the Middle East.

Prof Khan said anti-vaccine sentiment has spread on social media and been amplified by celebrities such as Suhaimi Saad, a popular nasheed singer in Malaysia who posts actively about the harm of vaccinations.

Episodes like the Philippines’ Dengvaxia scandal drive people to the Internet searching for information on vaccines, said epidemiologists Ruoran Li and Xiongfei Pan in a blog post for the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine’s Vaccine Confidence Project.

“There they find an often confusing mix of information and misinformation, propaganda from both the pro-vaccine as well as anti-vaccine lobbies, and debates among those undecided,” the authors said.

Indonesia, the Philippines and Malaysia have some of the highest rates of social media usage, and vaccine-related incidents have fuelled public scepticism online.

Jakarta resident Angelin Rike Mahendra runs a blog chronicling the adverse side effects suffered by Indonesian children after vaccination. The mother of two often spotlights cases of children vaccinated against their parents’ wishes.

“Doctors often do not warn parents of adverse side effects from vaccinations, and this is not well-addressed by the Indonesian government,” said Ms Mahendra, who initially had her two sons vaccinated before deciding to protect their health naturally.

Malaysian banker-turned-entrepreneur David S R said: “Many people think anti-vaccine means we are anti-medicine, anti-doctor — but that isn’t true.” Mr David, who has not vaccinated his two children, prefers the term “vaccine-cautious” to the popular “anti-vaxxer”.

Many Muslim parents remain concerned about the origins of ingredients in widely distributed vaccines following the fatwa about non-halal measles vaccines.

The halal rules can often be misinterpreted, said Prof Khan, who emphasised that Islam allows for the consumption of anything in minimum quantities for the sake of treatment.

Indonesia’s health authorities require primary school children be vaccinated against tuberculosis, hepatitis B, polio, diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and measles. Most children receive them from local health officials at school, but coverage is far from uniform.

According to the WHO, a child’s presence at school on vaccination day is interpreted as parental consent, but schools do not always notify parents in advance.

In Singapore, measles and diphtheria vaccines are required by law. Parents face fines up to S$1,000 per violation if they choose not to vaccinate their children.

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Unvaccinated foreign travellers may be denied entry to Singapore under proposed changes to the law

Singaporean school children also receive influenza B and pneumococcal virus vaccines. Before health officials visit a school on vaccination day, pupils are sent home with consent forms.

Malaysia does not require children to be vaccinated to attend school, a position that is being reviewed by the Ministry of Health.

The issue has been a hot topic since Deputy Prime Minister Wan Azizah Wan Ismail, also a medical doctor, said that vaccines would not be required for children. “We are not forcing parents to give or complete vaccinations for their children now,” she said.

Ms Marianne Clark-Hattingh, chief of Unicef Malaysia, earlier this month spoke out against mandatory vaccinations, saying preventing children from accessing education if they are not vaccinated potentially penalises them for their parents’ choices.

Malaysia is also seeing a resurgence in vaccine-preventable diphtheria. Last month, a two-year-old child in southern Johor died from the illness.

One solution to increasing vaccine coverage could be making halal vaccines widely available, experts said. Earlier this month, Malaysia’s health ministry assured the public the country’s vaccines do not contain any non-halal elements, but halal-certified vaccines remain in the works.

“The government is the most powerful actor to impact this situation,” said Prof Khan. “We have to immunise a bigger cohort to minimise the chances of outbreak.” SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST
Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/world/a...-vaccine-preventable-diseases-south-east-asia

 

[nayr69sg]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02989-9

The discredited doctor hailed by the anti-vaccine movement​

Riveting biography of Andrew Wakefield is a cautionary lesson in the legacy of hubris.

• Saad B. Omer

Andrew Wakefield (centre) in 2010, shortly before being struck off the UK medical register.Credit: Shaun Curry/AFP via Getty
The Doctor Who Fooled the World: Andrew Wakefield’s War on Vaccines Brian Deer Scribe UK (2020)
Since Edward Jenner’s first scientific description of vaccination in 1798 — using cowpox pus to protect against smallpox — there has been pushback. Throughout the nineteenth century, in the United States and the United Kingdom, there were cycles of increased smallpox vaccination, rising opposition, drops in immunization coverage, outbreaks, better appreciation of vaccination, more of it, and more protests. This stand-off eased around the start of the twentieth century when, with sanitation and medical care improving, public health placed less emphasis on compulsory vaccination. Probably the last time the world waited with bated breath for a vaccine — against polio in the 1950s — it was welcomed with open arms.
The modern wave of vaccine scepticism has its origins in the 1970s. That was when concerns (later determined to be unfounded) about the safety of a whole-cell vaccine against pertussis, or whooping cough, came to the fore in many high-income countries. In the 1980s and 1990s, a few organized groups opposed to vaccines emerged in many countries, including the United Kingdom.
It was in this context that, in 1998, Andrew Wakefield and his colleagues published a now-infamous and retracted paper in The Lancet, following which, in 2010, Wakefield was struck off the UK medical register for misconduct by the country’s General Medical Council. The fraudulent work on 12 children promoted a non-existent connection between autism and the MMR vaccine, used against measles, mumps and rubella. It propelled Wakefield to notoriety and turbocharged the anti-vaccine movement. He remains a headliner on the international vaccine-sceptic circuit as diseases once vanquished return because of falling rates of immunization. Many large epidemiological studies have found no difference in risk of developmental delays between children who receive the MMR vaccine and those who don’t1.


Vaccines stop diseases safely — why all the suspicion?
Wakefield is the subject of The Doctor Who Fooled the World, a riveting new book by investigative journalist Brian Deer. It was Deer’s reporting in The Sunday Times and The BMJ that helped to debunk the 1998 study as fraught with ethical, financial and methodological impropriety. It was eventually found to have involved undisclosed conflicts of interest, and to have subjected minors to unwarranted procedures and mischaracterized their samples. Wakefield continues to defend his actions and conclusions.
Over nearly two decades, Deer has covered Wakefield’s demise and second act in detail. Yet there’s plenty of new material here, even for those (like me) who have been following the saga as detailed in a shelf-ful of books since, including Paul Offitt’s Autism’s False Prophets (2008) and Seth Mnookin’s The Panic Virus (2012). For example, we gain insights from interviews with Wakefield’s family and colleagues. The result is a compelling portrait of hubris and the terrible shadow it can cast. For example, MMR-vaccine coverage in the United Kingdom fell to around 80% in the mid-2000s (from the necessary 95%), leading to outbreaks.
So how and why did an English physician from a long line of medics become one of the most prominent faces of the global anti-vaccine movement? As his mother (also a doctor) tells it: “Even as a little boy he used to sew patches on his trousers, and they were always beautifully sewn on. And he always wanted to be a surgeon.” Wakefield switched to full-time research to focus on ideas such as the aetiology of Crohn’s disease.
Deer paints a picture of a privileged man with charisma and big ideas, who was a little too confident of his hypotheses — and a little too certain of his imperfect understanding of the topics he was investigating. We are reminded that the disastrous 1998 Lancet paper was preceded by several other Wakefield studies, not always methodologically strong. For example, Wakefield authored a paper in 1995, also in The Lancet, claiming that measles vaccination was associated with inflammatory bowel disease2. That paper compared disease occurrence in two unrelated cohorts — a child-health study from before measles vaccines were introduced, and a study of another group after its introduction. The cohorts were selected using dissimilar recruitment and follow-up methods, and from different populations. This apples-with-brussels-sprouts comparison was criticized at the time by scientists at the US Food and Drug Administration and at the Department of Health in England, and by others with expertise in statistics, epidemiology, virology and related disciplines3,4.


The biggest pandemic risk? Viral misinformation
This unauthorized biography is also a story of Wakefield’s enablers. Some had understandable incentives, including parents of sick children desperate for answers. Others’ motives seem indefensible, among them anti-vaccine politicians, and (in Deer’s telling) institutional power players who should have known better.
How did Deer come to uncover one of the most significant scientific frauds of our time? He describes a lunch meeting in London in 2003 with a newly promoted editor at The Sunday Times that became the starting point of his investigation. We learn how a discrepancy between an interview with the mother of one of the children included in the 1998 study and the descriptions in the paper itself gave Deer one of the first clues that something sinister was afoot.
What follows is a roller-coaster ride. Wakefield’s findings were questioned in an interdisciplinary meeting at England’s Royal College of Surgeons in 1998, although it took a further 12 years for him to be stripped of his licence to practise. Deer has reported indefatigably throughout, including on Wakefield’s move to the United States, where he convinced an ever-expanding list of benefactors to support his various ventures. Among them was two-time Oscar winner Robert De Niro — who has spoken up for the 2016 film Vaxxed made by Wakefield and producer Del Bigtree.
The book is not without imperfections. For example, Deer notes too many times that Wakefield was a “doctor without patients” because, despite having a medical degree and surgical training, he, like many in biomedicine, became a full-time researcher — as if that in itself makes him worthy of our scepticism.
As with all good biographies, The Doctor Who Fooled the World is about more than the life it covers. Written pre-pandemic, it is a timely warning for the rest of us. It shows how self-importance can be self-destructive and harmful to others. The Herculean efforts of so many researchers during COVID-19 have been marred by a few individuals going well beyond their areas of expertise and endorsing outlandish hypotheses. As Deer writes: “Courage in science isn’t proving yourself right. It’s in your efforts to prove yourself wrong.” More than anything, we are reminded that investigative reporting is worth paying for, whether it is by subscribing to a local newspaper or through buying a book written by a journalist who asked the right questions.

 

[nayr69sg]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sin...in-singapore-vaccination-mmr-symptoms-1318636

Rise in measles cases in Singapore: What you need to know about the infectious disease​

File photo of a child with measles. (Photo: Jack Board)

Afifah Darke​

24 Jul 2019 09:13PM(Updated: 24 Jul 2019 11:53PM)
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SINGAPORE: Can you get measles even if you have been vaccinated? And what should you do if you come into contact with someone who has the viral disease?
Amid a spike in cases around the world, Singaporeans have been urged to be vigilant as the country is likely to see more imported cases of measles, said the Ministry of Health (MOH) on Tuesday (Jul 23).

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So far this year, there have been 116 measles cases in Singapore, although MOH said there is currently no evidence of a community spread.
Here is what you need to know about measles and how you can protect yourself.
HOW IS MEASLES SPREAD?
Measles is a highly contagious disease that affects a person’s respiratory system and often results in a skin rash.
The virus spreads easily through direct contact with the saliva or mucus of an infected person, whether through coughing, sneezing or contact with contaminated surfaces.

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While measles is more common among children, it can be contracted at any age if a person has not had the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccination.
SYMPTOMS OF MEASLES
Symptoms of measles usually start to appear 10 to 12 days after you come into contact with a contagious person, said MOH on its health portal.

A child receiving measles vaccination at a hospital. (Photo: AFP/Getty Images North America/Joe Raedle)
Early symptoms include coughing, a runny or stuffy nose, malaise, red eyes, tearing and a fever.
Two to four days later, bluish-white spots called Koplik’s spots may start to appear on the inside of cheeks. At the same time, or slightly later, a skin rash would spread across the person’s face, neck, trunk, limbs, palms and soles of the feet.

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Diarrhoea, vomiting and inflammation of the eyes are also associated symptoms of measles.
HOW DANGEROUS IS IT?
Children are at high risk of developing complications.
While most patients recover completely from measles, it can also lead to ear infection and pneumonia for older patients.
In rare cases, measles may cause encephalitis - an acute inflammation of the brain - and increase the risk of seizures, epilepsy, mental disability, coma or death.

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WHY IS MEASLES VACCINATION COMPULSORY IN SINGAPORE?
Measles epidemics used to occur every one to three years in Singapore during the 1960s and 1970s, and most children developed measles after the age of one.
A measles vaccination was introduced in 1976, but the acceptance rate was poor because of “cultural beliefs that measles is an innocuous and inevitable childhood infection”, said MOH in a report.

A rash seen on a child infected with measles in the Philippines. (Photo: Jack Board)
In 1984, there was a record of 2,417 cases, including seven deaths.
The following year, measles vaccination, which consists of two doses, was made compulsory for all Singaporean children aged 12 to 24 months.
Earlier this year, it was made compulsory for foreign children applying for a long-term visit pass to be fully vaccinated against measles.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET MEASLES EVEN AFTER VACCINATION?
Those who have had the two doses of MMR vaccines are usually considered protected for their entire lives, said Dr Yan Shiyuan, medical director at Edgedale Medical Clinic (Cambridge).
“The two doses of MMR vaccines are 97 per cent effective against measles,” he told CNA.
Dr Yan added that while some might still get measles despite being vaccinated, this may be due to a decrease of the immune system’s ability to fight the virus over time.
"There are also some people with immune systems that may not produce sufficient antibodies to fight the virus after being vaccinated," he explained.

A nurse prepares a measles vaccine to vaccinate a girl in the school of Lapaivka village near the western Ukrainian city of Lviv. (Photo: AFP/ Yuri Dyachyshyn)
SHOULD TRAVELLERS GET VACCINATED?
If you are travelling to places with a high-risk of measles infection, Dr Yan's advice is to take the necessary vaccinations beforehand.
"Children (above the age of 12 months) and adults with no documented evidence of measles vaccination should receive two doses of MMR vaccine at least 28 days apart," said Dr Yan.
Infants between six to 11 months old travelling to high-risk countries should also receive one dose of vaccination, followed by another two doses at 12 months and 15 months.
For adults, those who have evidence of only one dose of the vaccine should receive a booster shot before travelling.
"It is important to ensure good hygiene during travel such as frequent hand washing, wearing a face mask and avoiding close contact with sick people," he added.
WHAT TO DO IF EXPOSED TO A PERSON WITH MEASLES
If a person has been exposed to measles, they should talk to their doctor about vaccination, said Dr Yan.
“It is not harmful to be vaccinated after being exposed to measles,” he said.
“If a person receives MMR vaccination within 72 hours after exposure, they may be able to get some protection against the disease or have milder symptoms."
Children below the age of 11 months should especially avoid contact with an infected person. They should also be taken to the doctor for consultation on vaccination.

Measles has resulted in hundreds of deaths this year in the Philippines. (Photo: Jack Board)
WHY THE INCREASE IN MEASLES CASES HERE AND AROUND THE WORLD?
If most Singaporeans have been vaccinated against the disease, then what are the possible reasons for the rise in measles cases?
In May, Minister of Health Gan Kim Yong said in Parliament that the global increase in measles outbreak was due to “declining vaccination coverage in many countries”.
“This has resulted in a significant increase of non-immune individuals in the community, making it easier for the disease to spread,” said Mr Gan.
“Being a travel hub, Singapore is also exposed to imported cases.”

READ: As a measles epidemic rolls through the Philippines, blame falls on bungled vaccination programme​

READ: Measles threat looms in Philippines as trust in vaccines declines: Health officials​

On Tuesday, MOH said that of the 116 measles cases confirmed this year, 88 were local and 28 were imported from Bangladesh, Dubai, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam.
Measles cases rose 300 per cent globally through the first three months of 2019 compared to the same period last year, according to the World Health Organization.
This has been attributed to slipping vaccination rates amid a so-called anti-vax movement. The movement has been driven by claims linking the MMR vaccine to the risk of autism in children.

 

[JHolmesJr]

I can bet you the same people opposing measles vaccine are also opposing mRNA vaccine AND sinovac and what not.

not really....I have taken more vaccines than the average person here...polio, diphtheria, rubella, measles, small pox, chicken pox,
tetanus, rabies, hep A, hep B, typhoid, cholera....even influenza.

But I won't be taking any more shit that anyone tries to push on me.

 

[nayr69sg]

not really....I have taken more vaccines than the average person here...polio, diphtheria, rubella, measles, small pox, chicken pox,
tetanus, rabies, hep A, hep B, typhoid, cholera....even influenza.

But I won't be taking any more shit that anyone tries to push on me.

Think about it.

If you had never received
polio, diphtheria, rubella, measles, small pox, chicken pox,
tetanus, rabies, hep A, hep B, typhoid, cholera....even influenza. And they asked you to take those vaccines now. Would you?

What about your grandchildren?

At some point each individual experiences something that forms their world view.

Japanese air stewardeses booked into a Singapore five star hotel. Raped and murdered in their rooms. Family says Singapore is fucking dangerous. Can you blame them for saying that? I don't.

If you were walking on the sidewalk and suddenly a car drives onto the pavement and plows and runs over and kills everyone. You wife and kids died you are sole survivor. Do you trust walking on sidewalk anymore? No.

This is why I say it is more complicated than simple saying this and that is "truth" and "fact".

 

[blackmondy]

Beeeep! Wrong!
Those two incidents are not connected....immune system working harder ≠ organ failure

Wrong only to you. I will believe what I choose to believe, just like you.

 

[Leongsam]

Measles symptoms include rashes and high fever. The disease mainly affects children and is highly infectious. According to the WHO, roughly 2.6 million people died annually from measles before the advent of mass vaccinations in the 1980s.

If you want definitive proof that Covid is no big deal this figure tells the whole story.

Measles killed 1 in 500 children in the days before vaccinations were available. In order to deal with the disease I was taken to a measles party at the age of 5 to test out my immune system. I'm not bragging in any way as this was the only way to deal with the disease at the time. Doctors informed parents that it was best to catch measles as early as possible in life as the younger you were the less the risk of serious consequences.

We have exactly the same situation with Covid. instead of mollycoddling children and putting masks on them they should be going to Covid parties to gain robust immunity.

 

[porcaputtana]

Let's break it down, shall we?

Age 41, fully vaxxed.

Ahem....underlying conditions: severe lung disease + heavily compromised immune system.

From what I have read, these are classic symptoms suffered by some of the unlucky ones who got the jabs.

Severe clots in the lungs and internal immune system carnage where the T cells turn on and ravage your own cells
that are producing the spike.

A sad case that perhaps may have turned out differently if the government had not greenlit jabs for severely
immunocompromised people....and the recepient was not such a fan of dining in at malls.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...sed-people-can-now-get-covid-19-jabs-in-spore

where have u been reading on immunology?

DC comics ?

 

[nayr69sg]

where have u been reading on immunology?

DC comics ?

I think @tobelightlight is probably a fan of Dark Horse comics. Hellboy.

 

[millim6868]

overall ,vac is not working,if vac is working no one won't be in hospital or ICU ,but can tell is it is killing ppl slowly ,years later funeral business will be great.61% are ducking dumb ass

 

[sweetiepie]

overall ,vac is not working,if vac is working no one won't be in hospital or ICU ,but can tell is it is killing ppl slowly ,years later funeral business will be great.61% are ducking dumb ass

My uncle think the vac onlee works a little leegree but pap uses this little leegree as the justification to open up and commit massacre.

 

[nayr69sg]

My uncle think the vac onlee works a little leegree but pap uses this little leegree as the justification to open up and commit massacre.

The problem is they keep changing the definition of what a vaccine is and when it is considered to be "working".
In my opinion this is a failed vaccine. Vaccine is supposed to confer immunity and stop spread of the virus. This cominarty does not do that.
Sure some argue definitions and say vaccine just meana something that causes immune response in recipient against a virus.
I dunno man ia this really the threshold to be able to call something a vaccine? Name me one other vaccine that got approval that does that but does not stop spread and does not confer immunity. Which vaccine?

PAP formulated policy based on understanding of vaccines conferring immunity and stopping spread. Not this NEW definition of vaccine

 

[Leongsam]

The problem is they keep changing the definition of what a vaccine is and when it is considered to be "working".
In my opinion this is a failed vaccine. Vaccine is supposed to confer immunity and stop spread of the virus. This cominarty does not do that.
Sure some argue definitions and say vaccine just meana something that causes immune response in recipient against a virus.
I dunno man ia this really the threshold to be able to call something a vaccine? Name me one other vaccine that got approval that does that but does not stop spread and does not confer immunity. Which vaccine?

PAP formulated policy based on understanding of vaccines conferring immunity and stopping spread. Not this NEW definition of vaccine

The flu vaccine has never been very effective but has still managed to hold on to the title of "vaccine" for a long time. Estimates are that they are less than 20% effective in the old fart population.

 

[sweetiepie]

The problem is they keep changing the definition of what a vaccine is and when it is considered to be "working".
In my opinion this is a failed vaccine. Vaccine is supposed to confer immunity and stop spread of the virus. This cominarty does not do that.
Sure some argue definitions and say vaccine just meana something that causes immune response in recipient against a virus.
I dunno man ia this really the threshold to be able to call something a vaccine? Name me one other vaccine that got approval that does that but does not stop spread and does not confer immunity. Which vaccine?

PAP formulated policy based on understanding of vaccines conferring immunity and stopping spread. Not this NEW definition of vaccine

Actuallee in the verlee beginning when they were working on a vaccine for covid19 my uncle said when a person is being vaccinated for a working vaccine it can protect that person from getting infection but the virus will still be on that person clothes body etc hence when pap said get vaccinated to protect your loved ones is not true right ? Unless everyone gets vaccinated.

 

[nayr69sg]

Actuallee in the verlee beginning when they were working on a vaccine for covid19 my uncle said when a person is being vaccinated for a working vaccine it can protect that person from getting infection but the virus will still be on that person clothes body etc hence when pap said get vaccinated to protect your loved ones is not true right ? Unless everyone gets vaccinated.

Vaccination strategy is to attain herd immunity.
We heard it countless times when the plans were coming out for vaccination.
Herd immunity.
Now......this term is taboo. Lol!

 

[sweetiepie]

Vaccination strategy is to attain herd immunity.
We heard it countless times when the plans were coming out for vaccination.
Herd immunity.
Now......this term is taboo. Lol!

Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that can occur with some diseases when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through previous infections or vaccination, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity

Imuho this term is a conman statement. This means those who got vaccinated or having previous infections can become immune to the disease but it doesn't mean the virus will not cling on their body to infect individuals who lack immunity.

 

[blackmondy]

The vaccine is like a condom punctured with holes all over. You are forced to put it on even though you know it is useless. In other words, go thru motion to please the pappy dogs.