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Wunderfool

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Those who think that the gun violence in America is out of control should towards their backyard to one of their favorite destinations - Thailand.

Thailand has a higher rate per capita of gun violence compared to the USA. Perhaps sinkies should think twice before heading for that weekend getaway in the land of "smiles". :smile:

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Gun violence in Thailand: A problem that can't be solved

By Jack Board @JackBoardCNA
12 May 2018 06:36AM (Updated: 12 May 2018 06:40AM)

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BANGKOK: When Sunantha Ratchawat was hit, her body went numb. It was dark inside the bar, popular with young Thais drinking and dancing and on this night, it was crowded. Music - American hip hop - was blasting through the venue’s speakers.

Sunantha, who goes by the name of Pam, was in her early 20s and on a casual night out in 2006 with friends on Khao San Road, a rowdy nightlife district in Bangkok. It was a normal place for her to hang out, and when an altercation broke out near her inside the bar, she initially did not pay much attention.

But when gunfire ripped through the bar, her life changed.

“I heard that someone shot a gun,” Pam said. “My friend was so scared and we tried to sit down and make ourselves as safe as much as we could.

“But unfortunately, the one that was shot and ran away from the bad guy came to us and fell down on us and the bad guy tried to kill him. But it was me and my friend that were shot.”

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Pam was shot at a busy night on Thailand's notorious Khao San Road. (Photo: Jack Board)

“The second I got shot, I didn’t know myself because it was very hectic, very loud: Bang bang bang bang, I didn't know,” she said.

“First, I felt numbness on my under arm first and then I saw my blood on my arms and then I felt hurt, very hurt, and at that second I realised I’d been shot.”

Bleeding profusely, she was admitted to a nearby hospital and stayed in an intensive care unit for seven days. She did not know it at the time, but she had been shot twice; another bullet was still lodged inside her.

Her friend Not had been shot in the stomach, while another victim, someone Pam had never met, was dead.

‘GUNS MAKE PEOPLE EQUAL’

Thailand is known widely as the land of smiles. But within the fabric of its society is an underlying pattern of firearm use.

Studies show that Thailand has a higher rate of gun-related killings per capita than the United States, a country where deadly shootings dominate news headlines and the political agenda. Thailand is second only behind the Philippines within the region.

There are millions of powerful weapons across the country and many of them are illegal and unregistered.

In 2016, there were more than 3,000 homicides by a firearm in the country - a rate of 4.45 deaths per 100,000 people, according to research by the University of Washington.

Thailand’s rate is nearly eight times that of neighbouring Malaysia and when deaths from armed conflict are removed, it is even greater than one of the world’s most dangerous countries, Iraq.

Most of the homicides in Thailand are put down to criminal elements, gang activity or conflicts related to a loss of face or personal grievances. There is not the spate of mass shootings that occur so often in the US.

“Sometimes we get in a conflict and guns seem to be the answer. Guns make people equal,” said Pol Col Naras Savestanan, the director general of the country’s Department of Corrections.

Yet despite the high rates of violence, Thai authorities still do not have a clear picture of exactly how many guns are out there on the streets.

A MURKY PICTURE

The man tasked with compiling national data admits that it is incomplete and messy. All of the records throughout the country since gun ownership laws were introduced in 1947 have only ever been recorded manually by hand.

“Not only that, all the records are scattered among the districts and the provincial offices. There are errors. We had five to six million licenses, and now we’re trying to put them into a computer," said Chamnanwit Terat, the deputy director-general of the Department of Provincial Administration.

“We found that there are duplications, or one license that belongs to multiple weapons and therefore we have to go through those errors one case at a time.”

The department is attempting to create a central, online database for national gun records in an attempt to make the country more accountable for its weapons.

Chamnanwit believes self-defence is a justifiable reason for “mature” citizens to own firearms, especially when, he admits, they “can’t always rely on the state’s protection”. However, he wants licensing laws tightened to allow for reviews of a person’s suitability to possess a gun.

“Personally, I think those who possess or use firearms should have their license renewed once in a while. But as of now, once you get the permission to get your gun, you can keep it for life. You might be well behaved this year, but what about next year? What if you get sent to jail?”

MAKING PATRIOTS

More than 30,000 people are held in Thailand’s jail system for gun-related offences. Some of the most common are for lesser crimes like possessing an illegal weapon, or making guns; the homemade trade is known to be rife across the country, particularly by organised crime groups.

Earlier this year, an initiative was launched to give gun offenders three weeks of specialist weapon-making training - overseen by the government and the Royal Thai Army, with the aim of reducing the rates of released inmates re-offending.

“One of the biggest problems in Thailand is recidivism. One of the alternatives to the problem is finding them a job or employment,” Pol Col Naras Savestanan said.

The Department of Corrections handpicks the “geniuses” of homemade weapon making to get a better impression of how criminal groups are operating, and in the process hope to turn them into patriotic citizens.

“Some of those people make the gun themselves. They are a kind of naughty boy making the gun and trying to do something with it. So they will gain the knowledge, skills and experience of how the army works, how we develop our own weapons and on the other hand, the army, the government will gain some new ideas from them,” he said.

And while the law is tough on gun offenders, resulting in mass incarcerations, Pol Col Naras makes no apologies for the hardline stance.

“It’s better than having a high murder rate. Actually, we do have a high murder rate but at least to have a strict gun law might help to reduce that figure.

‘GUN HEAVEN’

Dozens of gun shops line the timeworn avenues of Wang Burapha, an old district in central Bangkok. Some of these establishments are well known for their history as gunsmiths and have been operating for decades. Over time, their windows have filled with modern weaponry.

“It’s kind of a surprise for first time visitors to this neighbourhood because Thailand is not really known to be a gun heaven,” said one firearm enthusiast.

These stores are not hidden and are not secret. It is the embodiment of the engrained nature of gun ownership in Thailand. Even by the government’s incomplete and unreliable count of legal guns, by the numbers, one in 10 Thais owns a firearm.

The paperwork required for gun ownership is not exhaustive. A citizen without a criminal record needs only to produce documents from their district office, a bank statement and a letter from their employer. The process typically takes a matter of weeks to complete and some of the cheapest rifles in Wang Burapha can be purchased for US$1,300.

While the price is much higher than in the United States, it is not out of reach for an ordinary citizen set on buying one.

“To be honest, it’s surprisingly easy,” the enthusiast said. “It depends on how long it takes to get your approval from the authorities. If you’re an ordinary citizen, it should be a very straightforward procedure.”

Buying illegal weapons, apparently the source of most crimes, is even more simple. A number of Thais told Channel NewsAsia that one could be arranged within a day or two via the black market.

There is no push to make gun possession illegal in Thailand and those who arm themselves within the framework of the law defend their rights with the same vigour and reasoning as gun rights defenders in the US.

“I believe a good person can use a gun in a good way. And if a bad person uses a gun, it’s going to be illegal anyway, said professional firearm self-defence trainer David Sutthaluang.

“If you ban guns in Thailand, it means the good guys won’t be having a gun so who can they protect?”

‘EVERY MORNING SOMEONE DIES’

Finding someone with an anti-gun agenda in Thailand is not so easy.

One politician, though, has been willing to take what is proving to be the unpopular side of this debate. As a former foreign minister of the country, the voice of Kasit Pirom stills carries weight.

He wants another nationwide gun amnesty period, where illegal guns could be surrendered without penalty, supported by the government and religious institutions. Thailand has attempted such amnesty periods several times in previous decades.

“It’s time we take stock of where are the guns and where do they come from. I think it’s a human reaction because every day you open a newspaper or you listen on the radio or particularly on television, every morning someone dies,” he said.

“We have so many extrajudicial killings. It seems so prevalent, becoming a sort of norm in the Thai society and yet in the backdrop of being a Buddhist country, a lot of Buddhist traditions, a lot of religious organisation are all about being peaceful and coexistence.

“In that sense I think we should do something about gun control. We do have a law, but there are weaknesses about enforcement.”

No justice was ever delivered for the shocking attack on Pam at the Khao San road nightspot. And the shooting has had a profound effect on her life ever since.

“I almost lost one of my arms but fortunately I was in the doctor’s hands and I did physical therapy for at least one year. Even now, my left hand is not 100 per cent but it’s ok. I got used to it already,” she said.

Now she is married and the mother of a young daughter. Her life is different from the times she spent frequenting Bangkok night spots.

But for years she says she was scared to be out in loud, public places like bars, in case something like this, a stranger with a gun intent on violence, happened again.

“Yes I was scared a bit. But that’s why I try to be more careful, try to look around and notice if there is anything wrong around me or close to me so I can run away in time,” she said.

“If you see someone that carries a gun, maybe it’s better you stay away from him because it’s not normal.”

Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...iland-a-problem-that-can-t-be-solved-10124114

PODCAST: Listen to Jack Board's account of gun violence in Thailand on the latest edition of The Asia Angle.

Don't make froggy panic. He is having the best years of his life in Thailand.
 

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Those who think that the gun violence in America is out of control should towards their backyard to one of their favorite destinations - Thailand.

Thailand has a higher rate per capita of gun violence compared to the USA. Perhaps sinkies should think twice before heading for that weekend getaway in the land of "smiles". :smile:
I have a few friends in Thailand, and they all have guns. Shot guns, revolvers and pistols. I love that country!
 

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Those who think that the gun violence in America is out of control should towards their backyard to one of their favorite destinations - Thailand.

Thailand has a higher rate per capita of gun violence compared to the USA. Perhaps sinkies should think twice before heading for that weekend getaway in the land of "smiles". :smile:

U are comparing US with a corrupted country like Thailand. Hmm....:rolleyes:
 

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It is not just the case of lax gun law in US. It is also a case of serious mentally sick people. And it seems that there is an increasing lot of these sick people. Armed with guns, they are a menace to society. These people should be scourged and banned from society.

Texas school shooter killed girl who turned down his advances and embarrassed him in class, her mother says

As he heard the gunshots approaching down the hall Friday morning, Santa Fe High School student Abel San Miguel, 15, hid with a few classmates in the art class storage closet.

He wasn't sure if he was going to survive. Through the door, he could see the barrel of a shotgun. Then the shooter began shooting through the door, killing at least one student inside, and grazing Abel's back.

When the shooter left the room briefly, Abel and others left the closet and tried to barricade the door. But the shooter pushed it open, spotted a student he knew, and with anger said, "Surprise!" before shooting the student in the chest.

"I'm still trying to process everything," Abel said in an interview.

One of Pagourtzis' classmates who died in the attack, Shana Fisher, "had 4 months of problems from this boy," her mother, Sadie Rodriguez, wrote in a private message to the Los Angeles Times on Facebook. "He kept making advances on her and she repeatedly told him no."

Pagourtzis continued to get more aggressive, and she finally stood up to him and embarrassed him in class, Rodriguez said. "A week later he opens fire on everyone he didn't like," she wrote. "Shana being the first one." Rodriguez didn't say how she knew her daughter was the first victim.

The gunman repeatedly taunted students during the attack, according to another harrowing account posted to Facebook by one survivor's mother.

After scrambling to escape the shooter's blasts in the art room, Isabelle Van Ness, covered in dust from rounds hitting her classroom walls, could hear the shooter in a next-door classroom yelling, "Woo hoo!" while shooting, according to her mother, Deedra Van Ness.

"The gunman then comes back into their room and they hear him saying … are you dead? Then more shots are fired," Deedra Van Ness wrote. "By this time, cell phones all over the classroom are ringing and he's taunting the kids in the closet asking them … do you think it's for you? do you want to come answer it? Then he proceeds to fire more bullets into the closet and tries to get in."

Police arrived within 10 minutes later as Isabelle hid among the bodies of her classmates, and she could hear the shooter reloading after an "exchange" with police, her mother wrote.

Soon after, the shooter surrendered. "She and her friends had been in the same room with the gunman the ENTIRE TIME," her mother wrote. "As the media announces the names of the confirmed dead, Isabelle falls apart. ... She had prayed that her friends lying around the school were just injured and the confirmation of their deaths was crushing."
 

whoami

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It is not just the case of lax gun law in US. It is also a case of serious mentally sick people. And it seems that there is an increasing lot of these sick people. Armed with guns, they are a menace to society. These people should be scourged and banned from society.

Yes. They are mentality sick people voting a retard President.
 

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Outsiders have this impression that America is a dangerous place apart from safe zones. The reality is that it is the other way round.

There are huge swathes of middle America where people still don't lock their doors or bolt their windows. I've been there and I too was surprised when we set off for a Sunday outing and the house was left wide open. I was told that there hadn't been a murder or even a burglary for the last 20 years.

The most dangerous areas of the USA are those where the liberal retards are in charge and too many scum immigrants (Latinos/Mexicanos) have been allowed in. This map explains it all.

The pockets of red in middle America are where the blacks are and the majority of the victims are their fellow bros.


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what is not publicized on national and international news everyday is the frequent shooting (and killing) among black and hispanic communities. local news will report such events, but others outside the local area will not hear about it. the amount of shooting and killing in urban ghettos far exceeds the mass shootings in so called white suburbs. i’ve posted about this before with facts, links, and anecdotes, but sinkies don’t have a clue about the constant carnage happening in black and hispanic urban ghetto america. all they hear and see are the big international and national news about mass shootings on tv, print media and internet. just in the bay area alone, reports of gun violence resulting in multiple fatalities happens daily, and it already has become a norm - so normal and numbed that if it doesn’t happen, we’ll be worried. when niggers and hispanics get shot and killed in drive by shootings everybody just shrug it off and go about their daily routines. but when white kids get shot and killed everyone takes notice, pauses and reads the news.
 

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USA needs to spend more on mental institutions and psychiatric counsellors to deal with a growing trend of psychopaths in young people.

Parents and teachers need to observe their children and students if they show any tendencies towards mental illness or imbalances.

The sick person needs treatment. Getting guns to protect oneself from the sick person is not going to solve the problem . It causes more people to be sick.
 
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