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Tesla Teardown finds Electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

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Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota and VW

Self-driving AI sends shivers through traditional supply chains
HIDEYOSHI KUME, Nikkei xTech/Nikkei Automotive staff writer
February 17, 2020 13:54 JST


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A teardown of the Model 3 shows Tesla so far ahead of more established peers that its technology could end the auto supply chain as we know it. (Nikkei xTech)

TOKYO -- Toyota Motor and Volkswagen each sell 10 million cars, give or take, every year. Tesla delivered about 367,500 in 2019. But when it comes to electronics technology, Elon Musk's scrappy company is far ahead of the industry giants.

This is the takeaway from Nikkei Business Publications' teardown of the Model 3, the most affordable car in the U.S. automaker's all-electric lineup, starting at about $33,000.

What stands out most is Tesla's integrated central control unit, or "full self-driving computer." Also known as Hardware 3, this little piece of tech is the company's biggest weapon in the burgeoning EV market. It could end the auto industry supply chain as we know it.

One stunned engineer from a major Japanese automaker examined the computer and declared, "We cannot do it."

The module -- released last spring and found in all new Model 3, Model S and Model X vehicles -- includes two custom, 260-sq.-millimeter AI chips. Tesla developed the chips on its own, along with special software designed to complement the hardware. The computer powers the cars' self-driving capabilities as well as their advanced in-car "infotainment" system.

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The Model 3's "full self-driving computer" consists of two boards: one with custom AI chips for autonomous driving, and a media control unit for the "infotainment" system. A water-cooled heat sink is installed between the two boards. (Nikkei xTech)

This kind of electronic platform, with a powerful computer at its core, holds the key to handling heavy data loads in tomorrow's smarter, more autonomous cars. Industry insiders expect such technology to take hold around 2025 at the earliest.

That means Tesla beat its rivals by six years.

The implications for the broader auto industry are huge and -- for some -- frightening.

Tesla built this digital nerve center through a series of upgrades to the original Autopilot system it introduced in 2014. What was also called Hardware 1 was a driver-assistance system that allowed the car to follow others, mostly on highways, and automatically steer in a lane. Every two or three years, the company pushed the envelope further, culminating in the full self-driving computer.

There should be nothing stopping Toyota or VW from doing the same much earlier than 2025, considering their immense financial resources and vast talent pools. But technological hurdles are not the reason for the delay, according to the Japanese engineer who said "we cannot do it."

The real reason for holding off? Automakers worry that computers like Tesla's will render obsolete the parts supply chains they have cultivated over decades, the engineer said.

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Such systems will drastically cut the number of electronic control units, or ECUs, in cars. For suppliers that depend on these components, and their employees, this is a matter of life and death.

So big automakers apparently feel obliged to continue using complicated webs of dozens of ECUs, while we only found a few in the Model 3. Put another way, the supply chains that have helped today's auto giants grow are now beginning to hamper their ability to innovate.

Young companies like Tesla, on the other hand, are not shackled to suppliers and are free to pursue the best technologies available.

Our teardown underscored this in another way as well.

Most parts inside the Model 3 do not bear the name of a supplier. Instead, many have the Tesla logo, including the substrates inside the ECUs. This suggests the company maintains tight control over the development of almost all key technologies in the car.

And with this hardware in place, Teslas can evolve through "over the air" software updates. Right now, the vehicles are still classified as Level 2 or "partially autonomous" cars. But Musk has stressed that they have all the necessary components -- "computer and otherwise" -- for full self-driving.

From software to electric drive systems, Tesla is steadily bringing more development tasks in-house. If this strategy succeeds, competitors will have little choice but to follow suit, upending their old business models and supply chains as they try to overcome Tesla's head start.
 
aiyoh.... car electronics are generally from the last decade tech. They have the if it ain't broke don't fix it mentality.

Reason is that electronics on a typical car is typically a non-value added cost. Nobody ever sees and feels it. There was no need for any heavy lifting except for maybe power for high-end sound systems. With autonomous driving systems they become a necessity because of data transmission throughput requirements.

This article writer like stunned to see aerodynamics on Ferrari/Lambo 30+ years ahead of Toyota Hiace or VW Beetle. Yah lah, because car now needs it at 200+ km/h. :confused:
 
Please do not buy any cars. Use PMDs because they are safer for everyone, and much less costly to buy and maintain.
 
In the US and UK and everywhere else, it is considered a mass market car, just slightly above kia's EV... in SG, the starting price is $276k, which is more expensive than the E class.. it basically just priced itself out of the market here...
 
In the US and UK and everywhere else, it is considered a mass market car, just slightly above kia's EV... in SG, the starting price is $276k, which is more expensive than the E class.. it basically just priced itself out of the market here...

That's because Tesla sells direct in other markets. Here it is sold by dealers with a 50+% markup.

It's the dealers who price it out and our gov for pissing Elon off so he won't bother setting up a direct sales office here for many years to come if at all.

A base model 3 direct from tesla should translate into a S$120-130k selling price here.

Fuck Pap. They just want to protect their petrol dollars.
 
That's because Tesla sells direct in other markets. Here it is sold by dealers with a 50+% markup.

It's the dealers who price it out and our gov for pissing Elon off so he won't bother setting up a direct sales office here for many years to come if at all.

A base model 3 direct from tesla should translate into a S$120-130k selling price here.

Fuck Pap. They just want to protect their petrol dollars.
Tesla model 3 sgd$130k? Dont joke lah. Will be way more!

Your toyota corolla already how much?
 
That's because Tesla sells direct in other markets. Here it is sold by dealers with a 50+% markup.

It's the dealers who price it out and our gov for pissing Elon off so he won't bother setting up a direct sales office here for many years to come if at all.

A base model 3 direct from tesla should translate into a S$120-130k selling price here.

Fuck Pap. They just want to protect their petrol dollars.
actually, I think it's because the market is too small. he has much bigger fish to fry at this moment.
 
Please do not buy any cars. Use PMDs because they are safer for everyone, and much less costly to buy and maintain.
now I am sure you guys go around switching account usage! :laugh:

either that or your brain kena water already! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
That's because Tesla sells direct in other markets. Here it is sold by dealers with a 50+% markup.

It's the dealers who price it out and our gov for pissing Elon off so he won't bother setting up a direct sales office here for many years to come if at all.

A base model 3 direct from tesla should translate into a S$120-130k selling price here.

Fuck Pap. They just want to protect their petrol dollars.
I thot Tesla already here in Sg? Quarter of a mill for entry level and half a mill for the top models
 
now I am sure you guys go around switching account usage! :laugh:

either that or your brain kena water already! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
It's very complex. We have a few different people sharing one account manning different shifts. And when it comes to my shift, because my brain kena tri-polar disorder, it gets lagi crazy. Sorry for the confusion though.:biggrin:
 
Tesla model 3 sgd$130k? Dont joke lah. Will be way more!

Your toyota corolla already how much?

you can work out the OMV and import taxes yourself. shouldnt be rocket science for anyone.
 
I thot Tesla already here in Sg? Quarter of a mill for entry level and half a mill for the top models

here by parallel importers. not here by tesla inc. dealer mark up very high. teslas supposed to be sold like iphones, direct from maker.

warranty issues also, car needs to be shipped back if there are major bugs. not sure how's the local workshops ability to fix teslas.
 
Car O/S (operating system) going to be another major industry by itself in time to come. the traditional automakers are hardware people, they know nuts about making chips and O/S.

Amazon and Blackberry teaming up. Google probably has an Andriod for Cars up their sleeves. Tesla is already way ahead in the game as per the article by Froggy. Wonder if iOS will have a car version too.
 
you can work out the OMV and import taxes yourself. shouldnt be rocket science for anyone.
to insult to injury, there's even a hefty carbon emissions surcharge on the model "s" although tesla automobiles are fully electric with no gas (nor carbon) emissions. sg just doesn't want teslas on her roadways as they are a threat to the oil and gas industry that has invested billions in sg.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/08/tes...ts-singapores-carbon-emissions-surcharge.html

Tesla's response to lta imposing the nonsensical and totally irrational surcharge on electric vehicles....
https://electrek.co/2016/03/10/tesla-model-s-singapore-emissions/
 
to insult to injury, there's even a hefty carbon emissions surcharge on the model "s" although tesla automobiles are fully electric with no gas (nor carbon) emissions. sg just doesn't want teslas on her roadways as they are a threat to the oil and gas industry that has invested billions in sg.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/08/tes...ts-singapores-carbon-emissions-surcharge.html

Tesla's response to lta imposing the nonsensical and totally irrational surcharge on electric vehicles....
https://electrek.co/2016/03/10/tesla-model-s-singapore-emissions/
Hey bro how much will the Tesla Model 3 be in Sinkieland?

I doubt it is $130k. Which is the price of a Corolla? I may be wrong. Have been out of touch with car prices in sinkieland since 2010.
 
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