Tesla is the worst performing stock in the S&P 500. Analysts say it has further to fall

[Leongsam]

Tesla is an overhype company. Elon is given the post to lead the government efficiency drive by Trump, but in actual fact, Elon is being overshadowed by that Vivek Ramaswamy, who is going to work hand-in-hand with Elon. Trump's cabinet consists mainly of only those who are loyal to him, but not the relevant experience they can bring in.

Yes, Elon knows how to suck up to Trump, but do you really believe that Trump will go according to his wishes? Trump is an old cunning fox and I'm sure he's not going to listen to Elon without scrutiny. Come back in one and a half years or two years from now and we'll debate over this issue again.

Unless Tesla can truly make their cars compatibly cheaper in price to the Chinese makers, I doubt Tesla can survive profitably for the next 5 years. Blah Blah Blah, I know you'd invested US$100k in Tesla and made 2x out of it. Good for you if you are holding Tesla shares.

If you look at the exchanges it is Trump that is sucking up to Elon. Trump is worth 7 BILLION at best. Elon is currently worth $400 BILLION.


Unless you have followed what is going on in the internals of Tesla Inc I doubt if you'll be able to make an educated judgement call. To grasp the potential you need a good understanding of where AI is heading, where robotics will be relevant, what consumers actually want when it comes to transportation and what factories need to further improve automation.

You also need to decide for yourself whether LIDAR is needed for full self driving.

 

[winners]

If you look at the exchanges it is Trump that is sucking up to Elon. Trump is worth 7 BILLION at best. Elon is currently worth $400 BILLION.


Unless you have followed what is going on in the internals of Tesla Inc I doubt if you'll be able to make an educated judgement call. To grasp the potential you need a good understanding of where AI is heading, where robotics will be relevant, what consumers actually want when it comes to transportation and what factories need to further improve automation.

You also need to decide for yourself whether LIDAR is needed for full self driving.

Trump is sucking up to Elon? You've got to be kidding. Tell this to the world and I believe most will laugh at your naivety. If what you said is true, then Trump should have been in Elon's residence watching his Presidential election on 05 November 2024, instead of the opposite isn't it? Trump is an equally egoistic person as Elon. However, being the POTUS, you think he wants to become secondment to Elon? No way.

In terms of wealth, most of Elon's wealth are tied to his shares in Tesla. His US$400b is achieved only recently due to the unrealistic rise of Tesla's shares after the Presidential election. If Trump had lost, I strongly doubt that Tesla shares will be where it is today. Anyway, both are equally boastful and neither will want to lose to the other. Period. Elon is sucking up to Trump in the hope that Tesla's China made vehicles can be exempted (to some extent) from any increased tariffs when they are being imported into America when the Trump's era will come into force.

LIDAR is a better and safer requirement for FSD technology to come to fruition. Obviously it is much efficient than Tesla's Imaging Technology, which can be affected by weather and low light (evening) conditions. Whatever the case, my opinion is that FSD technology is not an easy task to implement unless all vehicles on the roads are mandatory to be fully automated. Otherwise, even the best FSD technology cannot predict and react to how a human driver will suddenly change his course of direction and driving decisions. Even human-to-human driving is already so unpredictable presently.

 

[Leongsam]

Trump is sucking up to Elon? You've got to be kidding. Tell this to the world and I believe most will laugh at your naivety. If what you said is true, then Trump should have been in Elon's residence watching his Presidential election on 05 November 2024, instead of the opposite isn't it? Trump is an equally egoistic person as Elon. However, being the POTUS, you think he wants to become secondment to Elon? No way.

In terms of wealth, most of Elon's wealth are tied to his shares in Tesla. His US$400b is achieved only recently due to the unrealistic rise of Tesla's shares after the Presidential election. If Trump had lost, I strongly doubt that Tesla shares will be where it is today. Anyway, both are equally boastful and neither will want to lose to the other. Period. Elon is sucking up to Trump in the hope that Tesla's China made vehicles can be exempted (to some extent) from any increased tariffs when they are being imported into America when the Trump's era will come into force.

LIDAR is a better and safer requirement for FSD technology to come to fruition. Obviously it is much efficient than Tesla's Imaging Technology, which can be affected by weather and low light (evening) conditions. Whatever the case, my opinion is that FSD technology is not an easy task to implement unless all vehicles on the roads are mandatory to be fully automated. Otherwise, even the best FSD technology cannot predict and react to how a human driver will suddenly change his course of direction and driving decisions. Even human-to-human driving is already so unpredictable presently.

The problem with you is you refuse to accept the reality that you don't really know what you're talking about. Your comments regarding the definition of wealth, LIDAR and the risks that human driving poses pretty much sums it up.

Let's review this thread in 8 to 12 month's time to see how things are going.

 

[winners]

The problem with you is you refuse to accept the reality that you don't really know what you're talking about. Your comments regarding the definition of wealth, LIDAR and the risks that human driving poses pretty much sums it up.

Let's review this thread in 8 to 12 month's time to see how things are going.

Chay, aren't you the same? Talking of Trump sucking up to Elon. This is the biggest joke of the month.

 

[Leongsam]

Chay, aren't you the same? Talking of Trump sucking up to Elon. This is the biggest joke of the month.

Without Elon Trump may well have lost the election. Elon buying Twitter and liberating the Republicans may well be seen as a major fork in the road when history looks back at this tumultuous period of American politics.

 

[Leongsam]

Chay, aren't you the same? Talking of Trump sucking up to Elon. This is the biggest joke of the month.

What will Musk's net worth look like if and when Space X and Starlink go public?

 

[Leongsam]

The death of LIDAR?

 

[Leongsam]

 

[syed putra]

Looks like bill gates shorting of Tesla stock is working.

 

[winners]

The problem with you is you refuse to accept the reality that you don't really know what you're talking about. Your comments regarding the definition of wealth, LIDAR and the risks that human driving poses pretty much sums it up.

The main problem with you is that you mostly talk like a genius and presume to be always right, albeit without much facts, whilst all the others are wrong. Therefore, I usually just take them like a six-year old throwing his tantrums. And please don't tell me the video below is out to defame Tesla. Otherwise, why did not Elon sue the WSJ?

In addition, I know the next thing you'll say is that manually driven cars have created more fatal accidents than Tesla's auto-pilot. And for goodness sake, do your comparison with some basic intelligence, which I believe you still have. In total, how many manually driven cars are on the roads today, vis-a-vis to the number of Tesla cars. Failing which, what you are going to say will be irrelevant and flawed.

 

[shock888]

If you look at the exchanges it is Trump that is sucking up to Elon. Trump is worth 7 BILLION at best. Elon is currently worth $400 BILLION.


Unless you have followed what is going on in the internals of Tesla Inc I doubt if you'll be able to make an educated judgement call. To grasp the potential you need a good understanding of where AI is heading, where robotics will be relevant, what consumers actually want when it comes to transportation and what factories need to further improve automation.

You also need to decide for yourself whether LIDAR is needed for full self driving.

Tesla's fortune took a turn with Trump 2.0 incoming. It will get approval to have Robo Taxies running in almost all the Red states soon...

 

[Leongsam]

The main problem with you is that you mostly talk like a genius and presume to be always right, albeit without much facts, whilst all the others are wrong. Therefore, I usually just take them like a six-year old throwing his tantrums. And please don't tell me the video below is out to defame Tesla. Otherwise, why did not Elon sue the WSJ?

In addition, I know the next thing you'll say is that manually driven cars have created more fatal accidents than Tesla's auto-pilot. And for goodness sake, do your comparison with some basic intelligence, which I believe you still have. In total, how many manually driven cars are on the roads today, vis-a-vis to the number of Tesla cars. Failing which, what you are going to say will be irrelevant and flawed.

You cannot compare total crashes obviously. You need to compare crashes per mile driven.

Auto pilot is nothing more than a driving aid. It's not autonomous driving and does not involve AI. Crashes have been occurring with auto pilot engaged because drivers are treating autopilot as full self drive when it is anything but.

The holy grail is FSD (Full Self Drive) and Tesla is in the lead which is why it's stock price is now above $400 as more people are starting to catch on. If you are interested in learning something there is an excellent article at https://www.iangreer.io/tesla-fsd-technical-deep-dive/

FSD is designed to continuously improve so the argument is not about whether it is better than a human but rather WHEN it will be better than humans. There will definitely be an Eureka moment at some point. The only debate has to be when this will occur. It's like man vs computer in chess. Initially the humans still had a fighting chance but nowadays it is absolutely impossible for even the world's top chess master to beat a machine.

Eventually you too will realise what is happening but the naysayers like yourself have taken a stand that is emotional rather than logical. They either have a vested interest in seeing Tesla fail or they have taken a dislike to his quirky personality which is anything but normal.

I too thought he was a bit of a nut job back in 2012. He had all sorts of outlandish ideas that I perceived to be absolutely ridiculous. However if you look at what he has achieved you have to admit he's doing a lot better than most others so he can't be totally lacking in grey matter. Just look at the way his rockets land so that they can be reused and that is just one of his many companies.

 

[winners]

You cannot compare total crashes obviously. You need to compare crashes per mile driven.

Auto pilot is nothing more than a driving aid. It's not autonomous driving and does not involve AI. Crashes have been occurring with auto pilot engaged because drivers are treating autopilot as full self drive when it is anything but.

The holy grail is FSD (Full Self Drive) and Tesla is in the lead which is why it's stock price is now above $400 as more people are starting to catch on. If you are interested in learning something there is an excellent article at https://www.iangreer.io/tesla-fsd-technical-deep-dive/

FSD is designed to continuously improve so the argument is not about whether it is better than a human but rather WHEN it will be better than humans. There will definitely be an Eureka moment at some point. The only debate has to be when this will occur. It's like man vs computer in chess. Initially the humans still had a fighting chance but nowadays it is absolutely impossible for even the world's top chess master to beat a machine.

Eventually you too will realise what is happening but the naysayers like yourself have taken a stand that is emotional rather than logical. They either have a vested interest in seeing Tesla fail or they have taken a dislike to his quirky personality which is anything but normal.

I too thought he was a bit of a nut job back in 2012. He had all sorts of outlandish ideas that I perceived to be absolutely ridiculous. However if you look at what he has achieved you have to admit he's doing a lot better than most others so he can't be totally lacking in grey matter. Just look at the way his rockets land so that they can be reused and that is just one of his many companies.

Sadly, at the end of the day, you still don't get the picture.

Whether it's FSD or Auto-pilot, the primary detection system which Tesla uses is Imaging Technology for most of its models. Elon is prioritizing money ahead of safety.

There's no need to duel further on this matter. Time will tell.

 

[Leongsam]

Sadly, at the end of the day, you still don't get the picture.

Whether it's FSD or Auto-pilot, the primary detection system which Tesla uses is Imaging Technology for most of its models. Elon is prioritizing money ahead of safety.

There's no need to duel further on this matter. Time will tell.

Imaging is what humans use and we only have 2 eyes vs Tesla's 8. I see no reason why FSD won't surpass humans at some point.

Elon is prioritising something that works vs something that is overly complicated and requires whole cities to be digitally mapped and then re-mapped every time something changes. Self driving needs to be achieved the same way humans perceive their surroundings.

Human driving results in 1.5 MILLION deaths annually and an astronomical number of injuries resulting in permanent disabilities. It's not a very high bar for FSD to aim for and then better.

 

[Leongsam]

 

[sbfuncle]

What's the point of having fsd?
You don't feel shiok owning a car if you are not the one driving it, isn't it?

 

[Leongsam]

What's the point of having fsd?
You don't feel shiok owning a car if you are not the one driving it, isn't it?

When you feel like driving go ahead by all means. However if you don't there's an option for FSD to take over.

 

[sbfuncle]

When you feel like driving go ahead by all means. However if you don't there's an option for FSD to take over.

Rarely this will happen.
I think FSD is only good for
1. Public transportation to cut off manpower cost
2. Gcb who are just not borned to handle a machine and failed a driving test despite trying their entire life.
3. People who truly take a car as a transportation.

Both 2&3 are already addressed by hitch ride service.
Hence the whole idea of fsd is only for the public transportation.

 

[syed putra]

Rarely this will happen.
I think FSD is only good for
1. Public transportation to cut off manpower cost
2. Gcb who are just not borned to handle a machine and failed a driving test despite trying their entire life.
3. People who truly take a car as a transportation.

Both 2&3 are already addressed by hitch ride service.
Hence the whole idea of fsd is only for the public transportation.

As you get older, I think you may want FSD. Especially when you need text and type on the road. Or got a Chio bu next to you.

 

[Leongsam]

Rarely this will happen.
I think FSD is only good for
1. Public transportation to cut off manpower cost
2. Gcb who are just not borned to handle a machine and failed a driving test despite trying their entire life.
3. People who truly take a car as a transportation.

Both 2&3 are already addressed by hitch ride service.
Hence the whole idea of fsd is only for the public transportation.

I'm definitely going to use it most of the time. I used to enjoy driving but now it's just a chore especially on long stretches of motorway. I'm certain there are more like me around.