Templeton University a Fake? Is Dr Tan Tee Koon a fake ?

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There is an ongoing discussion with the good doctor on the validity of his PHD and the existence of his university. He claims that his university has chosen not to be accredited or have a website. He also claims that employers can use their discretion in recognising such qualifications. How do you recognise something that does not exist.

See the thread of Trustyworthy Property Agents.

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://singsupplies.com/showpost.php?p=530204&postcount=1

Untrustworthy? Not property agents...
http://www.asiaone.com/Business/My+M...05-202631.html

I REFER to last Friday's report, 'In firefighters we trust (but not property agents)', which placed property agents as least trustworthy.

The online poll of 760 people conducted by Reader's Digest magazine is inconclusive.

The Public Perception & Expectations of Real Estate Agents survey conducted by Ngee Ann Polytechnic, involving 1,041 respondents and reported in the media two months ago, revealed that 81 per cent engaged property agents in their real estate transactions.


Of the total number of respondents, 68 per cent were tertiary-educated (diploma to postgraduate qualifications). From these figures, it can be deduced that well-educated consumers trust property agents enough to appoint them in their real estate transactions.

Unlike any consumer or insurance product, the purchase of a property may cost millions of dollars and often involve the consumer's life savings. Yet 843 people in the Ngee Ann Polytechnic survey enlisted the assistance of property agents in their real estate transactions.

This would appear inconceivable if property agents were the least trustworthy. In fact, of the remaining 19 per cent of respondents who did not use estate agents, less than 20 per cent of this group attributed their decision to 'lack of trust'.

That means fewer than 40 people out of 1,041 respondents actually said they did not trust property agents.

Moreover, 65 per cent of respondents were satisfied with their estate agents' services and 67 per cent rated them between 'satisfactory' and 'excellent' in the key attribute of Fiduciary, which referred to confidence and trust in an ethical relationship.

While the estate agency profession has not been adequately regulated, we do not agree that this is tantamount to being least trustworthy. The recent negative publicity of rogue estate agents is an exception and does not reflect the majority who value professionalism and integrity. We will all do well not to lean towards over-generalisation.

Dr Tan Tee Khoon
Chief Executive Officer
Singapore Accredited Estate Agencies

 

[Teo Kok Eng]

Templeton is an unaccredited school.

It could not get accredited because it has no real students, no real professors, no actual classrooms etc.

It is a fake definitely.

 

[scroobal]

I will even go one better. This is not even a paper mill. It does not even exist in the real world. With paper mill, there is paper trail and you then can query some conman and validate that it is bullshit. There is no one to even ask a question? Thin air.

Templeton is an unaccredited school.

It could not get accredited because it has no real students, no real professors, no actual classrooms etc.

It is a fake definitely.

 

[garlic]

This Tan Tee Khoon should know that it is quite impossible to make this believable.. stupid ass should get sued..

 

[peterlth]

A red hair man is peeing in his pants now ....

Dr Tan, who has a PhD in marketing from Templeton University, New York ......

Tried to google 'Templeton University, New York' and nothing came out .... this university probably do not exit. There is not even a website on Templeton University ....

The 'nearest' possibilities are:

(1) Templeton College was one of the constituent colleges of the University of Oxford, England
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_College,_Oxford

(2) Get discount coupons for Templeton University and other Las Vegas, NV local merchants
8070 W Russell Rd Unit 1106
Las Vegas, NV 89113
702-364-1478
http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Templeton.University.702-364-1478

Just wonder this Dr Tan really have a 'Dr in Marketing'. A CEO himself, he said property agents are trustworthy. But is he trustworthy in the first place?

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Exposed: 36 in S'pore
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Story/A1Story20080808-81392.html

A RETIRED secondary school teacher, two private school teachers, an IT manager, and two businessmen were among 36 names from Singapore on a list of people exposed in the United States for buying fake diplomas and degrees.

The 9,612 names were taken from computers seized as part of Operation Gold Seal, a US Federal case that led to eight people pleading guilty to conspiracy to sell fake degrees from St Regis University and other fictional colleges based in rural Washington state.

The husband and wife ringleaders, Steven and Dixie Ellen Randock, have been sentenced to three years in prison.

The Washington-based newspaper, The Spokesman Review, ran the full list of names on its website on July 28. Buyers had paid the degree mill US$250 to US$5,400 (S$350 to S$7,500) for bachelor's and master's degrees, as well as doctorates.

The full report, which stated names, the degrees bought, and in some cases, the names of the fictional universities, can be found at http://www.spokesmanreview.com/data/diploma-mill/

The Straits Times contacted more than a dozen of those on the list and confirmed that six had bought the degrees. Four of the six had listed the degrees in their resumes.

Two admitted they had degrees from the listed universities but claimed they were unaware that these were degree mills.

The Education Ministry said it will investigate the case of the teacher to establish if any offence has been committed. But it said preliminary checks show that the teacher, who was recruited as a non-graduate teacher, had not used the 'degree' in question for placement.

MOE said the teacher is currently re-employed as a non-graduate contract adjunct teacher.

Businessman David Tan Leng Huat said he had merely enquired about a degree from St Regis University but had not paid anything.

Private school teacher David Nelson Samuel said he paid more than S$4,000 for a BA from St Regis University, but only found out later that it was unrecognised.

A Mr Joseph Ferguson was listed as a trainer at the Asian Life Skills Centre at North Bridge Road which runs courses for English Language teachers. His credentials include a BA (Business) and MA (Education) from St Lourdes University, one of the exposed degree mills.

But the centre's managing director Joseph Chee said the American had left the centre last year and expressed surprise at his fake credentials.

Dr Tan Tee Khoon, a Christian author and head of Knight Frank Property Network, said he is not the Tan Tee Khoon named for having bought a Master's in Divinity.

Dr Tan, who has a PhD in marketing from Templeton University, New York, said he was 'aggrieved' when he heard someone with his name was on the list.

SANDRA DAVIE

 

[SneeringTree]

Oh no the christian persecutions begins once again!

so you guys enjoy the flood?

The issue is someone who claims to have earned a PhD in Mrrketing legitimately but apparently has done it through a degree mill. Why did you even bring up his religious affiliation?

And why are you back to be a nuisance again?

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

Dr Tan, where are you ?

 

[peterlth]

Dr Tan, where are you ?

Wait for angmohlang to come online ... should be very soon, i just informed him ... he is probably at the salon now trying to dye his hair red first before joining the discussion ....

 

[Queen Seok Duk]

Wait for angmohlang to come online ... should be very soon, i just informed him ... he is probably at the salon now trying to dye his hair red first before joining the discussion ....

I'm very sure he will not join this thread. Unlike the previous thread, this thread is dedicated to one Templeton University and Dr Tan. You can imagine the number of Knight Frank's employees reading this thread.

 

[IR123]

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[IR123]

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[manokie]

Write to newspaper or paste on those bigger forums

Too little people here to matter

 

[scroobal]

See his reasoning below!


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First of all, I don't think I want to comment on the trustworthiness of agents. As chinkandoo rightly said, it's an issue with every human being and trust has to be earned. A generalisation won't help. I don't think anyone can conclusively or imply that someone is untrustworthy just because his academic credentials are doubtful. In 2002, Oxford University's Pembroke College had a scandal when its staff, a very qualified Rev Dr John Platt actually promised admission to the son of a wealthy banker in exchange for an indecent donation. Read this at http://www.btinternet.com/~akme/Broke1.html. Trustworthiness has to do with character and little with academic qualifications. Anyway, I don't know who this Dr Tan Tee Khoon personally and I reserve my comments.

However, I do wish to say something about Templeton University because before I employed 2 very fine managers who have qualifications from that university, I did reasonable due diligence which went beyond just google search and checking the online database of CHEA. I actually corresponded with CHEA in writing and asked 2 very direct questions:

1. Is Templeton University in Middletown NY the same as Templeton University in Nevada? Or are they linked? I knew the one in Middletown NY is unaccredited but I had wanted to verify if it is associated in any manner to the latter as the one in Nevada has been explicity stated to be dubious and a degree mill, especially in Oregon.

2. Is an unaccredited university always a degree mill, and thus anyone that has gone to an unaccredited university has obtained a useless paper?

To the first question, CHEA could not tell me if there were linked but only that they were unaccredited. To the second question, CHEA could not comment except to say that accreditation is voluntary self-regulation towards quality in education and in America, all accreditors are private bodies recognised by the govt but the accreditation is not done by the govt. Also, to access state or federal grants, an university has to be accredited and employers may only sponsor employees going to accredited universities. You can read all this in CHEA's website. In a nutshell, not even CHEA can commit affirmatively that unaccredited institutions equal degree mills.

I have checked out that Templeton University in Middletown, NY is a private independent setup and its address is not a mailbox. It has a small physical campus there and it is in fact 37 minutes from SUNY New Paltz campus. Check it out yourself. The university was setup in 1947 and used to have a website but has ceased since 2005 (if I recall correctly) because of rising numbers of online mills. The Registrar is a Ms Grace Wald.

Now, I don't have any vested interest in the university nor any personal gratification to see this university vindicated. I only think I should share what I know. If i am mistaken about my managers' qualifications, it doesn't affect me because they have been with me for the past 5 years and they are excellent, trustworthy performers.

 

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Oh yes, I forgot to add that I also consulted MOE then and it did not have any policy on accreditation or verification of foreign academic credentials. Employers were told to exercise discretion. The CPE is the most recent setup particularly after the Brookes College's RMIT fakes were exposed.
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The point about accreditation as self-regulation is in CHEA's website. If someone wishes to see bullshit all the time, I won't want to engage such a polarised perspective. Besides, an argument which takes the point entirely out of context in making comparisons with lawyers and doctors is extreme. I suppose very soon we will need accredited taxi-drivers, accredited tuition teachers, accredited retailers, accredited mediums, etc.
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It is not my ambition to defend the university and as I wrote earlier, I do not have any personal gratification to see it vindicated. Nonetheless, my 2 managers exist regardless whether their university has a website. If their papers are worthless, their performance is not.
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I made my point clear from my posts. Generalisation is not the way to go. There are good fellas who may have come from unaccredited universities which are not necessarily degree mills. There are scum who came from Ivy League universities. The Rev Dr John Platt of the Pembroke College, Oxford scandal is one such example. I have also shared my information on Templeton University in Middletown, NY which I believe exists. There are more information on my end and correspondence with CHEA that I am not at liberty to share. Should members of this community take a different view, it does not perturb me. What disturbs me is judgementalism of people!
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Someone who is not him and not from the "famed" Templeton University but going to great lengths to defend it and him


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I read your posts with great hilarity. If some of you need an online punching bag, get the real Dr into the forum. I am not his substitute. I mock at such an incredulous imputation of identity.

 

[middaydog]

Write to newspaper or paste on those bigger forums

Too little people here to matter

Hoy! you think this is small forum huh?

 

[scroobal]

How pathetic? He even provided the number of the registrar. The registrar might be too busy trying to urgently apply for a website access and website to be created and probably engaged on the line.

The first question I would ask is why they don't have a website and I will probably get the following possible answers
- it is voluntary and not a requirement
- up to your discretion to have one
- no need to generalise
- already got a phoneline
- Did Dr Tan from Singapore ask you to call. Yes, he is the only one that refers people to us.
- its up to your discretion to recognise the qualification or not.
- its not a requirement to conduct classes or have a faculty. Its like religious faith.

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There were 22 applicants in 2006. These two have the F&B/hospitality track record which I was looking out for. I called Grace Wald at this number:
(845) 346-0986 but that was 5 years ago. Good luck!
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