Serious Tan Cheng Bock files affidavit to ask AGC to explain Elected President count

[nayr69sg]

same as in a wedding - speak now or forever hold thy tongue :(

Better than wedding. every 4 years they get blessings and reaffirmation.

 

[eatshitndie]

Better than wedding. every 4 years they get blessings and reaffirmation.

every 5 years, short by 1.9 years to make 6.9. they will drop a little to 69.69% in overall vote count on the next one as taxi uncles who cannot own cars lose jobs to uber operators. overall sinkies will still be happy if 6.9k's are intact.

 

[Papsmearer]

Did Dr Tan engage the service of Raffles Place or People's Park lawyers ?

Lim Suet Fern will represent him for free since she got fucked over by PAPzis policies.

 

[Patriot]

Lim Suet Fern will represent him for free since she got fucked over by PAPzis policies.

"On 28 April 2017, I engaged M/s Tan, Rajah & Cheah to make the necessary application, and to produce in my affidavit Lord Pannick’s written opinion before the Court. I believe this question can be answered without confrontation or hostility. Both the Government and I have the nation’s best interest at heart. It is in nobody’s interest to have a Reserved Election that is unconstitutional.

I am satisfied that I have, to the best of my ability and capacity, done my part to do what is right in the circumstances, which is to bring to this Court’s attention Lord Pannick’s opinion. Since the matter is now before the Court, it is only right that I refrain from making any further public comment until this case is decided."

 

[kingrant]

Methinks it will pass unabated. Dont think the Lee Jr govt will bother. He has always not, and still garnered 70%. He knows how stupid sinkies minds work.

The PE will turn out to be like Macron...lowest turnout including the Malays, with the foreseen slim win for the PAP. Again another 5 years of enforced ceremony and wayang.

PAP govt wins a battle but loses the war. Even the Malays felt condescended.

Backlash will return at the GE.

 

[scroobal]

I think we have gone past the stage for any substantial inroads into changes for the better. Pyrrhic victories on small issues with a bit of egg on the face keeps the heart beating. I am sure that Tan Cheng Bock is fully aware that the PE is a hollow post but like the 37% victory of a former cabinet minister and DPM it is to embarrass the govt.

Methinks it will pass unabated. Dont think the Lee Jr govt will bother. He has always not, and still garnered 70%. He knows how stupid sinkies minds work.

The PE will turn out to be like Macron...lowest turnout including the Malays, with the foreseen slim win for the PAP. Again another 5 years of enforced ceremony and wayang.

PAP govt wins a battle but loses the war. Even the Malays felt condescended.

Backlash will return at the GE.

 

[Reddog]

It is better for him to sue in JB.

Zikapore is a strange place to sue. There being in a polling station is not considered in the Vicinity of a polling station. How ?

 

[nayr69sg]

Courts have to be consistent. President that is not elected but doing work of an elected president is still considered an elected president.

 

[borom]

......... President that is not elected but doing work of an elected president is still considered an elected president.

could it be that too many people from saf- I remember my rank can change depending on appointment-one day can be local or acting or temporary-but the substantive rank and pay never change. Best part is one chap with a S rank higher than me (was given a lower appointment )and had to be my subordinate while I was given the same L rank as him(but with higher appointment).
Like they used to say "suka suka one "-too long in uniform also bring this habit to civilian life-so like now these x military will "order/command " the economy to turn around, if not send to DB?

Its good that the Court accepted the application (HC/OS 495/2017) filed on 5 May 2017 and we all look forward to the pre-trial conference on 22 May 2017.

 

[kingrant]

Do you think that the son is trying to ring fence the EP from TCB to prevent him from disrupting the new fledgling Cabinet and to gain time to assure that they can get to sit properly in their posts?

Explains why they are so desperate to steam roll it and get the EP under their belts.

Can't wait for this to be heard. It will be a massive set of gymnastics to clear the logic if the courts agree with AG. Tan Cheng Bock and whoever advised him waited for the PAP to complete digging the hole before they stepped in legally.

 

[Papsmearer]

I think we have gone past the stage for any substantial inroads into changes for the better. Pyrrhic victories on small issues with a bit of egg on the face keeps the heart beating. I am sure that Tan Cheng Bock is fully aware that the PE is a hollow post but like the 37% victory of a former cabinet minister and DPM it is to embarrass the govt.

Only a fucktard like you think the EP is a hollow post. Its the most powerful post in the country. U don't believe, just follow the money. Who controls and supervises the national reserves? Who signs into bill the budgets that keep the country running?

 

[Papsmearer]

It is better for him to sue in JB.

Zikapore is a strange place to sue. There being in a polling station is not considered in the Vicinity of a polling station. How ?

the issue was on loitering, not the vicinity per se.

 

[Patriot]

Do you think that the son is trying to ring fence the EP from TCB to prevent him from disrupting the new fledgling Cabinet and to gain time to assure that they can get to sit properly in their posts?

Explains why they are so desperate to steam roll it and get the EP under their belts.

[h=1]Tan Cheng Bok files Lord Pannick’s legal view in Court to challenge PAP’s interpretation of Wee Kim Wee as first Elected President[/h]May 9, 2017446

 

[Patriot]

Former Presidential candidate Dr Tan Cheng Bok has filed a court application to challenge the Govt’s interpretation of President Wee Kim Wee being the first Elected President of Singapore and not President Ong Teng Cheong.

Because the PAP Govt counted President Wee as the first Elected President, it would trigger the Reserved Election – something that they introduced into our Constitution. The Reserved Election would entail that the next PE would be reserved for minority candidates only. The talk is that PAP would push Halimah to become the next President.

Dr Tan said, “To recap, on 31 March 2017, I held a press conference explaining why in my layman’s opinion, starting the count from President Wee’s term appeared to be inconsistent with the spirit and purpose for reserved elections. I then invited the Government or AG to explain the legal reasons for their count.”

But the PAP govt chose to ignore Dr Tan’s request for further explanation on the matter. Hence, Dr Tan has no choice but to seek arbitration from the Court.

He explained, “Since this is a matter of national importance, I sought to find the legal answer and consulted the best constitutional lawyer I could find. He is Queen’s Counsel Lord David Pannick.”

“I gave Lord Pannick the Commission Report, White Paper, all relevant Hansard parliamentary reports from 7 Nov 2016 to 6 February 2017, our Constitution and all related statutes on this issue. I asked him one question: whether the AG correctly advised the Government to specify President Wee’s term as the first to be counted on the basis that he was the first President to exercise elected powers,” he added.

“Lord Pannick has advised that he disagrees with the AG’s advice, and that section 22 Presidential Elections (Amendment) Act 6 of 2017 as it stands is unconstitutional.”

Dr Tan further explained that after receiving Lord Pannick’s reply, he felt that it would be in the public interest to have the Court decide which legal view is correct – Lord Pannick’s or the AG’s.

Lord Pannick’s written opinion has been submitted in Dr Tan’s affidavit so that the public can also see for themselves. Dr Tan commented that it is in nobody’s interest to have a Reserved Election that is unconstitutional.

“I am satisfied that I have, to the best of my ability and capacity, done my part to do what is right in the circumstances, which is to bring to this Court’s attention Lord Pannick’s opinion,” he concluded.

So, who is this Lord Pannick?

The Right Honourable Lord Pannick
The Right Honourable Lord Pannick is one of UK’s most highly regarded Queen’s Counsel, who specialises in Public law & Human Rights. He is also an independent member of British House of Lords. In the House of Lords, he was a member of the Constitution Committee for four years.

Recognised as one of the “stars at the bar” for his handling of high-level cases in UK and international law, Lord Pannick appeared in some 100 cases in the Appellate Committee of the House of Lords (before it was replaced by UK’s new Supreme Court). He has argued more than 25 cases in the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg and over 30 cases in the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. His long list of appearances before the highest appellate courts in the UK and Europe is almost second to none.Graduated from Oxford, Lord Pannick was ranked as one of Chambers UK’s Top Silk Bar 100 in 2013. The Chambers UK, a British legal guide said of him, “Without question, he’s superb. He’s a man of great intellect who can turn his hand to almost anything.”

The Times Law 100 also listed him as one of the most influential lawyers in UK and ranked him in 10th place. A judge said, “Lord Pannick is one of the country’s most powerful advocates.”

Some of his notable clients include:

The Queen – winning an injunction in the High Court to restrain The Daily Mirror from publishing further allegations about her home life by a reporter who had gained employment as a footman.
* The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia – in establishing in the House of Lords that state immunity applies to claims alleging torture.
Princess Diana – advised on an employment tribunal case.
Greece govt – resisting the claim brought by former King Constantine for the return of property.
Cyprus govt – in relation to human rights abuses by Turkey in Northern Cyprus.
UK govt – in establishing that MPs accused of dishonestly claiming expenses were not entitled to the benefit of parliamentary privilege.
BBC – defending BBC that it had committed the criminal offence of blasphemy by broadcasting “Jerry Springer – The Opera” (following the judgment, Parliament decided to abolish the criminal offence of blasphemy in UK).
Last year, in the most famous case in UK, Lord Pannick successfully represented a citizen against the State to require the approval of Parliament before the Prime Minister could initiate “Brexit” from EU.Internationally, he has also appeared in a large number of cases in courts outside of UK: Hong Kong, Brunei, the Cayman Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands and Gibraltar. In Hong Kong, he has appeared in some 15 cases in the Court of Final Appeal, many of them on major constitutional and public law issues.

He became an Honorary Fellow at Oxford in September 2004. He writes a fortnightly column on legal matters for UK’s Times, and is the co-author of “Human Rights Law and Practice”, an important textbook used by many universities on Human Rights Law.

It would certainly be interesting to read Lord Pannick’s legal view on why President Wee should not be counted as the first Elected President of Singapore and why section 22 of Presidential Elections (Amendment) Act is “unconstitutional”.

 

[mojito]

Do you think that the son is trying to ring fence the EP from TCB to prevent him from disrupting the new fledgling Cabinet and to gain time to assure that they can get to sit properly in their posts?

Explains why they are so desperate to steam roll it and get the EP under their belts.

All the more we should let it slide! Do you really want Loong to stay for another term?

 

[scroobal]

Its more about face and legacy for the son. He needs first to stop TCB who is the favourite by a mile in an open election. Secondly he needs to correct the ridiculous figure of 37% for Tony Tan. This is the difference between the son and his dad - poor on strategy and tactics. If the desire is to move towards a more democratic society, this last minute gardening shows otherwise.

Remember the wife took leave to handle his elections and one week after they sent the old man to his final destination to plan GE15 strategy. Shortly after GE2015, the terms of reference for the constitutional review was announced and she was still on leave after extending it. The Malay representation was a powerful way to fix TCB but he and his wife missed how to nail the door shut. They did not accept all the recommendation but left the gate open on this interpretation thinking that AG is the final authority.

CCS responses to Sylvia on the interpretation is telling. He not only refused to answer the questions but charged WP for questioning AG's credentials. Highly defensive.

I am sure there is a whole bunch of people behind TCB working out this. When TCB raised it officially, they again avoided it and the second time they refused to answer.

Do you think that the son is trying to ring fence the EP from TCB to prevent him from disrupting the new fledgling Cabinet and to gain time to assure that they can get to sit properly in their posts?

Explains why they are so desperate to steam roll it and get the EP under their belts.

 

[rushifa666]

In her lecture Mrs Lee, the managing partner of Morgan Lewis Stamford, questioned the outcome of internationalisation of the scheme and wondered if QFLP was good enough when the firms under the scheme hired “only about 100 out of thousands of Singapore-qualified lawyers”. I seem to like her more

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

So, who is this Lord Pannick?

The Right Honourable Lord Pannick
The Right Honourable Lord Pannick is one of UK’s most highly regarded Queen’s Counsel, who specialises in Public law & Human Rights. He is also an independent member of British House of Lords. In the House of Lords, he was a member of the Constitution Committee for four years.

Recognised as one of the “stars at the bar” for his handling of high-level cases in UK and international law, Lord Pannick appeared in some 100 cases in the Appellate Committee of the House of Lords (before it was replaced by UK’s new Supreme Court). He has argued more than 25 cases in the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg and over 30 cases in the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg. His long list of appearances before the highest appellate courts in the UK and Europe is almost second to none.Graduated from Oxford, Lord Pannick was ranked as one of Chambers UK’s Top Silk Bar 100 in 2013. The Chambers UK, a British legal guide said of him, “Without question, he’s superb. He’s a man of great intellect who can turn his hand to almost anything.”

The Times Law 100 also listed him as one of the most influential lawyers in UK and ranked him in 10th place. A judge said, “Lord Pannick is one of the country’s most powerful advocates.”

Some of his notable clients include:

The Queen – winning an injunction in the High Court to restrain The Daily Mirror from publishing further allegations about her home life by a reporter who had gained employment as a footman.
* The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia – in establishing in the House of Lords that state immunity applies to claims alleging torture.
Princess Diana – advised on an employment tribunal case.
Greece govt – resisting the claim brought by former King Constantine for the return of property.
Cyprus govt – in relation to human rights abuses by Turkey in Northern Cyprus.
UK govt – in establishing that MPs accused of dishonestly claiming expenses were not entitled to the benefit of parliamentary privilege.
BBC – defending BBC that it had committed the criminal offence of blasphemy by broadcasting “Jerry Springer – The Opera” (following the judgment, Parliament decided to abolish the criminal offence of blasphemy in UK).
Last year, in the most famous case in UK, Lord Pannick successfully represented a citizen against the State to require the approval of Parliament before the Prime Minister could initiate “Brexit” from EU.Internationally, he has also appeared in a large number of cases in courts outside of UK: Hong Kong, Brunei, the Cayman Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands and Gibraltar. In Hong Kong, he has appeared in some 15 cases in the Court of Final Appeal, many of them on major constitutional and public law issues.

He became an Honorary Fellow at Oxford in September 2004. He writes a fortnightly column on legal matters for UK’s Times, and is the co-author of “Human Rights Law and Practice”, an important textbook used by many universities on Human Rights Law.

It would certainly be interesting to read Lord Pannick’s legal view on why President Wee should not be counted as the first Elected President of Singapore and why section 22 of Presidential Elections (Amendment) Act is “unconstitutional”.

Lord Pannick had also acted for the Singapore Medical Council in the GMC/ Shorvon case in the UK courts.

 

[Semaj2357]

and i'm sure lord pannick would address the notion that excercising the duties of an elected president is deemed to be one

 

[KuanTi01]

I think we have gone past the stage for any substantial inroads into changes for the better. Pyrrhic victories on small issues with a bit of egg on the face keeps the heart beating. I am sure that Tan Cheng Bock is fully aware that the PE is a hollow post but like the 37% victory of a former cabinet minister and DPM it is to embarrass the govt.

Don't be so sure and presumptuous that Tan Cheng Bock is fully aware that the PE is a hollow post! On the contrary, it is a much coveted post now with soft powers projecting far beyond its constitutional powers and ceremonial duties. If not why do you think the PAP is scheming so hard to prevent him from running. They even have to stoop so low to bring in the race rotation and qualification card on top of very stringent pre-qualifying criteria in order to run for the so-called "hollow post." Please don't anyhow say hor! It is all too clear to the average Singaporean in the street that the PAP feels threatened by Tan Cheng Bock being elected as the President and Tan Cheng Bock already showed his mettle. He is certainly not going to be a wooden figure-head and yes man for the PAP.