Bro, I am not at all surprised. You are from NUS, post grad. That tells alot.
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Otak is the one that banned me from their site. The fact that they used MY delphi site for years counted for nothing.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/otak69/messages?msg=57.4
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I think Leongsam was trying to make the point that it does not matter if a crook provides a good forum platform that promotes constructive discussion and keeps out spam, as long as no monetary transactions are involved which might tempt the host to engage in criminal breach of trust.
I tend to agree more with you stand, personality issues are important as well. Why legitimize a forum hosted by someone you know to be of poor character?
How on earth would you know the "character" of someone that you have never met?
On the net, people can be whatever they want to be. EG: 50 year old men become teenagers to bait underaged girls. The only reason why they don't gete away with it sometimes is that they have to show up in real life in order to catch what they have baited.
Even if the "reputation" of a particular internet moniker has been sullied, the person can always come back as someone else and start afresh and nobody would be any the wiser.
bro.... I am sure you know the agony of those of the JBJ donation drive who were blackmailed by the bastard tong hyui koh... the same guy who attempted to rip donations meant for JBJ.... nobody speak out at that time but I did...
Tong threaten one of the supporters if I don't stop posting about his attempt to rip of JBJ donations, he will post the names of the supporters.... this poor guy literally have to beg me to stop exposing tong in the then sbf forum....
beng
On the net, it is all about making subjective choices that often make sense only to you and a few others.
As for coming back as different monikers, most folk who resort to cloning cannot help but let their original personalities show through. It's a pretty amusing thing to watch -- from a distance.
bro.... you know why those screwed by tong hyui koh will never speak out... because bastard tong uses their identity to blackmail them... here's what one of them posted in then sbf forum...
Yes, in life we follow those that are confident, have a track record of some sort as no one comes up to speed on any issues from the word go.
Sam has a stake in SBF and in the 9 years has not been petty, vindictive or has censored views despite getting personal brickbats. I also apprecate that he stonewalled the press in the early years and was cautious not to allow delphi to grow a brain during the perry tong police report affair. Then we had Robox attempt to kill the SBF forum by going to Delphi via the Racisim angleir and thus the push to move away from Delphi.
Wether he likes it or not, Sam and SBF has built trust over the years.
Nothing in life can be foolproof like ascertaining identity. We just work with the best options available.
Yes, a real sad situation.
bro... a dishonest host can pull off scams in his own forum easily.... a good example is alternative-asia in sbf (now closed).... the host started it off like any forum... then he started to ask for funds to "expand" the net business saying the free forum is now too large.... the host is tong hyui koh... host of sballiance.. and now suspected to be a partner of victor sun...
So... better to be safe than sorry.... I'll stop posting in sunkopitiam from today onwards....
beng
He tried to destroy the forum from two fronts.
1) Racism
2) Homophobia
Walt Howe banned a whole lot of nicks as a result and deleted a shitload of threads. He also moved the forum into the "adult" zone which means it does not get listed in the "Delphi Top Forums" page.
All of this was done without informing the me.. the person who pays delphi every month and a loyal delphi subscriber since 1999.
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Sam.... you may be right the pap is not out to get them... but if somebody can offer them a namelist for a pardon of his crimes in sgp... then ???
A forum host can play dumb and allow free play... and then slowly organise chat room and even net conferences where IPs can be traced.... that list of IPs and date and time is useful to the pap... whether they deem it useful enough to make a "deal" with a fugitive...
I chat in mirc... and the IP is openly visible... so does other chat rooms I have used...
beng
Sam.... you may be right the pap is not out to get them... but if somebody can offer them a namelist for a pardon of his crimes in sgp... then ???
A forum host can play dumb and allow free play... and then slowly organise chat room and even net conferences where IPs can be traced.... that list of IPs and date and time is useful to the pap... whether they deem it useful enough to make a "deal" with a fugitive...
I chat in mirc... and the IP is openly visible... so does other chat rooms I have used...
beng
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The PAP controls all the ISPs... sorry... I'll correct my statement... the PAP OWNS all the ISPs.
They do not need to trace IPs from chat rooms, forums and blogs.
EVERYTHING goes through their giant scanner.. the proxy servers! Companies are allowed to bypass proxies but everything is captured in the server logs of the company which the PAP can easily demand with a simple court order. (from a PAP owned court of course)
Do you think that the PAPPIES decided to implement proxy servers just to ban a nominal 100 adult sites? There are much cheaper and simpler ways of banning 100 domains.
The PAP controls all the ISPs... sorry... I'll correct my statement... the PAP OWNS all the ISPs.
They do not need to trace IPs from chat rooms, forums and blogs.
EVERYTHING goes through their giant scanner.. the proxy servers! Companies are allowed to bypass proxies but everything is captured in the server logs of the company which the PAP can easily demand with a simple court order. (from a PAP owned court of course)
Do you think that the PAPPIES decided to implement proxy servers just to ban a nominal 100 adult sites? There are much cheaper and simpler ways of banning 100 domains.
Well, we will come across good and bad. that is life. That doesn;t mean we own it to life that all the good things must be bad-free. Life dun own us a living. When we know that is an ass, then stay away from it.
Of course, there are pple who will know it sooner than the others, with or without participation.
It became pretty obvious that he was trying to blackmail you. He even used his mum and religion to bait others.
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Thats how they track terrorist, hackers and virus hacks.
SBF is built around porn, its has got incredible amount of sterile postings, the gems if you cared to watch are released deep down in long winded threads and are cryptic at times. It does not carry noted vocab and will not be picked up by echolen type equipment.
In my years in this forum, only came across 2 incidents, one on bomb making which the nick quickly took down on advice and the other on SPF by loaded888. The latter screwed up when he named his uncle of all places in ISD. He was rather emotional, so probably a good scolding.
The governments of the world however stalin like go after those who are a threat. No one in SBF is one. Uncle Yap maybe the exception for criminal but not security threat wise having named and slandered everyone including temples but even he has to force the cops to arrest him with great reluctance and instead of paying the petty fine, he vountarily goes to jail.
Despite all these, I don't see a cult or a dissident group forming here. So we are talking about mild chilli curry at the most.
I would not worry, the comments that you see are on par for the course even in an authoritarian govt like ours.
Just throw out your views in a responsible manner no matter how unplatable it may be to the government or others.
Bro, at a drop of the hat, security ops from ISPs and their industry counterparts from around the world can identify a post that came thru anon or otherwise, spoofed or non spoofed, isolate it, get the ID and the final trunk line. If it was a result of mooching via wifi, its takes patience and time but you got more of less the physical zone confined and the MAC to go.
Thats how they track terrorist, hackers and virus hacks.
SBF is built around porn, its has got incredible amount of sterile postings, the gems if you cared to watch are released deep down in long winded threads and are cryptic at times. It does not carry noted vocab and will not be picked up by echolen type equipment.
In my years in this forum, only came across 2 incidents, one on bomb making which the nick quickly took down on advice and the other on SPF by loaded888. The latter screwed up when he named his uncle of all places in ISD. He was rather emotional, so probably a good scolding.
The governments of the world however stalin like go after those who are a threat. No one in SBF is one. Uncle Yap maybe the exception for criminal but not security threat wise having named and slandered everyone including temples but even he has to force the cops to arrest him with great reluctance and instead of paying the petty fine, he vountarily goes to jail.
Despite all these, I don't see a cult or a dissident group forming here. So we are talking about mild chilli curry at the most.
I would not worry, the comments that you see are on par for the course even in an authoritarian govt like ours.
Just throw out your views in a responsible manner no matter how unplatable it may be to the government or others.
Ah but you know what the conspiracy theorists will say... that I receive my funding from the PAP and that this forum is set up to track your IP address which I will then sell for a huge profit.
why are bankrupt driving around and relaxing in posh office while non-bankrupt chases after buses n mrt and sweat like hell in the heat of the sun??
ANSWER: foreign "NGO" backings allocating funds to them to mess up a country.
[Quote:Otak is the one that banned me from their site. The fact that they used MY delphi site for years counted for nothing.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/otak69/messages?msg=57.4
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Originally Posted by NgEjay
I have never participated in other clone forums except for Otak and SGNEWSALT as I only trust these two.
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well, he lied...and will continue to do so as long as he's the clone master.
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Nobody is talking about banning domains..... if somebody walk up to the pap ISD today with a list of IPs with date/time stamps.... it simplifies their job that much easier to trace a certain forumer.....
Say.... the pap like to know the identity of Mr A from a chat room... the chat is date/time stamped... so all the ISD have to do is match it with the sgp ISP server log... and voila!
It is that simple really.....
beng
The PAP controls all the ISPs... sorry... I'll correct my statement... the PAP OWNS all the ISPs.
They do not need to trace IPs from chat rooms, forums and blogs.
EVERYTHING goes through their giant scanner.. the proxy servers! Companies are allowed to bypass proxies but everything is captured in the server logs of the company which the PAP can easily demand with a simple court order. (from a PAP owned court of course)
Do you think that the PAPPIES decided to implement proxy servers just to ban a nominal 100 adult sites? There are much cheaper and simpler ways of banning 100 domains.
Nobody is talking about banning domains..... if somebody walk up to the pap ISD today with a list of IPs with date/time stamps.... it simplifies their job that much easier to trace a certain forumer.....
Say.... the pap like to know the identity of Mr A from a chat room... the chat is date/time stamped... so all the ISD have to do is match it with the sgp ISP server log... and voila!
It is that simple really.....
beng
bro.... when we know something is wrong... we warn others about it... and that goes for the alert of delphi nick cheapjustice aka brendon tong hyui koh forum and his links with victor sun....
beng
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