sunkopitiam - ??

[scroobal]

It seems you made a rather good call.

I have never participated in other clone forums except for Otak and SGNEWSALT as I only trust these two.

In fact I made a call for those who insist on the delphi platform to use SGNEWSALT a week ago.

Bro, I am not at all surprised. You are from NUS, post grad. That tells alot.

 

[Leongsam]

I have never participated in other clone forums except for Otak and SGNEWSALT as I only trust these two.

Otak is the one that banned me from their site. The fact that they used MY delphi site for years counted for nothing.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/otak69/messages?msg=57.4

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Sorry leongsam,

While you may have the space to explain your position here,

you may not advertise your other delphi forum here.

Sad to say, your decision to do such an immediate crossover did alot of harm to our brothers. Look at the consequence and the current state of affairs with brothers have to be split amongst so many concurrent forums.

You intial few posts to offer ad space to reach out to ex-SBF forummers in this thread http://forums.delphiforums.com/otak69/messages?msg=38.9

Your REAL intention seems to me that you wanted to advertise your new site here.

You had ulterior motives and didnt even bother to ask me if you (the main perpetrator of our current sad state) could advertise here. Maybe you knew that I'd object so you went ahead anyway?

That is not becoming of an honest forum host.

Come to think of it, to prevent you from "chut pattern" again, (eg. by stirring shit through the use of clones etc), I've decided that it is best for you not to be heard again in this forum.

May you concentrate on your vbulletin forum and good luck with it.

otak69
Forum moderator.

Users who want to talk to leongsam may still reach him via visit his new vbulletin site.

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[NgEjay]

Trust built over years related to SBF and those who were part of it has spread across 11 forums, now down to maybe 5. Its going to be misplaced trust when endorsement however tacit comes from a known vet with rep who has absolutely no clue the ride that he is on.

I think Leongsam was trying to make the point that it does not matter if a crook provides a good forum platform that promotes constructive discussion and keeps out spam, as long as no monetary transactions are involved which might tempt the host to engage in criminal breach of trust.

I tend to agree more with you stand, personality issues are important as well. Why legitimize a forum hosted by someone you know to be of poor character?

 

[Leongsam]

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I tend to agree more with you stand, personality issues are important as well. Why legitimize a forum hosted by someone you know to be of poor character?

How on earth would you know the "character" of someone that you have never met?

On the net, people can be whatever they want to be. EG: 50 year old men become teenagers to bait underaged girls. The only reason why they don't gete away with it sometimes is that they have to show up in real life in order to catch what they have baited.

Even if the "reputation" of a particular internet moniker has been sullied, the person can always come back as someone else and start afresh and nobody would be any the wiser.

 

[ahbengsong]

Bro, the vets from the old forum have seen this many times. So I guess the signs become very obvious. This guy even attempted to rip donation meant for JBJ something that Fishbuff and others wanted to help out.

bro.... I am sure you know the agony of those of the JBJ donation drive who were blackmailed by the bastard tong hyui koh... the same guy who attempted to rip donations meant for JBJ.... nobody speak out at that time but I did...

Tong threaten one of the supporters if I don't stop posting about his attempt to rip of JBJ donations, he will post the names of the supporters.... this poor guy literally have to beg me to stop exposing tong in the then sbf forum....

beng

 

[NgEjay]

How on earth would you know the "character" of someone that you have never met? ... ... ... ... Even if the "reputation" of a particular internet moniker has been sullied, the person can always come back as someone else and start afresh and nobody would be any the wiser.

On the net, it is all about making subjective choices that often make sense only to you and a few others.

As for coming back as different monikers, most folk who resort to cloning cannot help but let their original personalities show through. It's a pretty amusing thing to watch -- from a distance.

 

[ahbengsong]

Thats something I was absolutely puzzled about. Sadly most people who screwed by this guy will never speak out.

bro.... you know why those screwed by tong hyui koh will never speak out... because bastard tong uses their identity to blackmail them... here's what one of them posted in then sbf forum...

From: Sib3itaukee 5-Aug 23:47
To: @@@@ (ericmega) 67 of 81 76349.67 in reply to 76349.63

My sympathy to you on not being able to retrieve your $$.

This is typical of Brendon. First, he'll sweet talk you with all the big gestures of promises, then once your money is with him, he'll fuck you over. In short, you've been short-changed by that bastard. He will never admit to his mistakes, instead, if you corner him hard enough, he'll bring out all personal details of yours and publish it on the internet as a deterent against you from divulging more about him.

Fuckking lowest form of a dog Tong Hyui Koh, still hiding in China. I read in a thread where he claims to be in Singapore - lol what a joke. I would know coz I've seen the warrant of YOUR ARREST!


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[scroobal]

I tend to agree more with you stand, personality issues are important as well. Why legitimize a forum hosted by someone you know to be of poor character?

Yes, in life we follow those that are confident, have a track record of some sort as no one comes up to speed on any issues from the word go.

Sam has a stake in SBF and in the 9 years has not been petty, vindictive or has censored views despite getting personal brickbats. I also apprecate that he stonewalled the press in the early years and was cautious not to allow delphi to grow a brain during the perry tong police report affair. Then we had Robox attempt to kill the SBF forum by going to Delphi via the Racisim angleir and thus the push to move away from Delphi.

Wether he likes it or not, Sam and SBF has built trust over the years.

Nothing in life can be foolproof like ascertaining identity. We just work with the best options available.

 

[scroobal]

bro.... you know why those screwed by tong hyui koh will never speak out... because bastard tong uses their identity to blackmail them... here's what one of them posted in then sbf forum...

Yes, a real sad situation.

 

[ahbengsong]

What is there to be trusted or not to be trusted. Let's compare who to be trusted. One who pay a few thousand US$ to set up a forum and put in effort to run it or some one who set up a forum free of charge and still blast the orginial forum host.

I rather trust someone who has integrity.

By the way , forum is a forum, what is there to trust or not to trust. Just enjoy lah, why think so much.

bro... a dishonest host can pull off scams in his own forum easily.... a good example is alternative-asia in sbf (now closed).... the host started it off like any forum... then he started to ask for funds to "expand" the net business saying the free forum is now too large.... the host is tong hyui koh... host of sballiance.. and now suspected to be a partner of victor sun...

So... better to be safe than sorry.... I'll stop posting in sunkopitiam from today onwards....

beng

 

[Leongsam]

Then we had Robox attempt to kill the SBF forum by going to Delphi via the Racisim angleir and thus the push to move away from Delphi.

He tried to destroy the forum from two fronts.

1) Racism
2) Homophobia

Walt Howe banned a whole lot of nicks as a result and deleted a shitload of threads. He also moved the forum into the "adult" zone which means it does not get listed in the "Delphi Top Forums" page.

All of this was done without informing the me.. the person who pays delphi every month and a loyal delphi subscriber since 1999.

 

[ahbengsong]

Re: ___________ - ??

Sam.... you may be right the pap is not out to get them... but if somebody can offer them a namelist for a pardon of his crimes in sgp... then ???

A forum host can play dumb and allow free play... and then slowly organise chat room and even net conferences where IPs can be traced.... that list of IPs and date and time is useful to the pap... whether they deem it useful enough to make a "deal" with a fugitive...

I chat in mirc... and the IP is openly visible... so does other chat rooms I have used...

beng

 

[Leongsam]

Re: ___________ - ??

Sam.... you may be right the pap is not out to get them... but if somebody can offer them a namelist for a pardon of his crimes in sgp... then ???

The PAP controls all the ISPs... sorry... I'll correct my statement... the PAP OWNS all the ISPs.

They do not need to trace IPs from chat rooms, forums and blogs.

EVERYTHING goes through their giant scanner.. the proxy servers! Companies are allowed to bypass proxies but everything is captured in the server logs of the company which the PAP can easily demand with a simple court order. (from a PAP owned court of course)

Do you think that the PAPPIES decided to implement proxy servers just to ban a nominal 100 adult sites? There are much cheaper and simpler ways of banning 100 domains.

 

[tonychat]

bro... a dishonest host can pull off scams in his own forum easily.... a good example is alternative-asia in sbf (now closed).... the host started it off like any forum... then he started to ask for funds to "expand" the net business saying the free forum is now too large.... the host is tong hyui koh... host of sballiance.. and now suspected to be a partner of victor sun...

So... better to be safe than sorry.... I'll stop posting in sunkopitiam from today onwards....

beng

Well, we will come across good and bad. that is life. That doesn;t mean we own it to life that all the good things must be bad-free. Life dun own us a living. When we know that is an ass, then stay away from it.

Of course, there are pple who will know it sooner than the others, with or without participation.

 

[scroobal]

He tried to destroy the forum from two fronts.

1) Racism
2) Homophobia

Walt Howe banned a whole lot of nicks as a result and deleted a shitload of threads. He also moved the forum into the "adult" zone which means it does not get listed in the "Delphi Top Forums" page.

All of this was done without informing the me.. the person who pays delphi every month and a loyal delphi subscriber since 1999.

It became pretty obvious that he was trying to blackmail you. He even used his mum and religion to bait others.

 

[scroobal]

Re: ___________ - ??

Sam.... you may be right the pap is not out to get them... but if somebody can offer them a namelist for a pardon of his crimes in sgp... then ???

A forum host can play dumb and allow free play... and then slowly organise chat room and even net conferences where IPs can be traced.... that list of IPs and date and time is useful to the pap... whether they deem it useful enough to make a "deal" with a fugitive...

I chat in mirc... and the IP is openly visible... so does other chat rooms I have used...

beng

Bro, at a drop of the hat, security ops from ISPs and their industry counterparts from around the world can identify a post that came thru anon or otherwise, spoofed or non spoofed, isolate it, get the ID and the final trunk line. If it was a result of mooching via wifi, its takes patience and time but you got more of less the physical zone confined and the MAC to go.

Thats how they track terrorist, hackers and virus hacks.

SBF is built around porn, its has got incredible amount of sterile postings, the gems if you cared to watch are released deep down in long winded threads and are cryptic at times. It does not carry noted vocab and will not be picked up by echolen type equipment.

In my years in this forum, only came across 2 incidents, one on bomb making which the nick quickly took down on advice and the other on SPF by loaded888. The latter screwed up when he named his uncle of all places in ISD. He was rather emotional, so probably a good scolding.

The governments of the world however stalin like go after those who are a threat. No one in SBF is one. Uncle Yap maybe the exception for criminal but not security threat wise having named and slandered everyone including temples but even he has to force the cops to arrest him with great reluctance and instead of paying the petty fine, he vountarily goes to jail.

Despite all these, I don't see a cult or a dissident group forming here. So we are talking about mild chilli curry at the most.

I would not worry, the comments that you see are on par for the course even in an authoritarian govt like ours.

Just throw out your views in a responsible manner no matter how unplatable it may be to the government or others.

 

[leetahbar]

Ah but you know what the conspiracy theorists will say... that I receive my funding from the PAP and that this forum is set up to track your IP address which I will then sell for a huge profit.

why are bankrupt driving around and relaxing in posh office while non-bankrupt chases after buses n mrt and sweat like hell in the heat of the sun??

ANSWER: foreign "NGO" backings allocating funds to them to mess up a country.

 

[leetahbar]

Otak is the one that banned me from their site. The fact that they used MY delphi site for years counted for nothing.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/otak69/messages?msg=57.4

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Originally Posted by NgEjay

I have never participated in other clone forums except for Otak and SGNEWSALT as I only trust these two.
]

well, he lied...and will continue to do so as long as he's the clone master.

 

[ahbengsong]

Re: ___________ - ??

The PAP controls all the ISPs... sorry... I'll correct my statement... the PAP OWNS all the ISPs.
They do not need to trace IPs from chat rooms, forums and blogs.
EVERYTHING goes through their giant scanner.. the proxy servers! Companies are allowed to bypass proxies but everything is captured in the server logs of the company which the PAP can easily demand with a simple court order. (from a PAP owned court of course)
Do you think that the PAPPIES decided to implement proxy servers just to ban a nominal 100 adult sites? There are much cheaper and simpler ways of banning 100 domains.

Nobody is talking about banning domains..... if somebody walk up to the pap ISD today with a list of IPs with date/time stamps.... it simplifies their job that much easier to trace a certain forumer.....

Say.... the pap like to know the identity of Mr A from a chat room... the chat is date/time stamped... so all the ISD have to do is match it with the sgp ISP server log... and voila!

It is that simple really.....

beng

 

[ahbengsong]

Well, we will come across good and bad. that is life. That doesn;t mean we own it to life that all the good things must be bad-free. Life dun own us a living. When we know that is an ass, then stay away from it.

Of course, there are pple who will know it sooner than the others, with or without participation.

bro.... when we know something is wrong... we warn others about it... and that goes for the alert of delphi nick cheapjustice aka brendon tong hyui koh forum and his links with victor sun....

beng