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Chitchat Straits times: The 6 men pipped to be the next PM of Sinkieland

Charlie99

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If you have access to the you tube of that lady speaking, please post it.
Thank you.

If they continue to discuss about a non-Chinese individual should be elected as the President of the Republic of Singapore, then they should not continue to allege that Singapore is not ready for a non-Chinese PM.
The time will come when there will be a non-Chinese PM and a non-Chinese President.
Ensure that there is equality, and ensure that every adult citizen is eligible to be a candidate.

Whether or not the individual is Chinese, Malay or Indian, the electorate should and will decide, provided every citizen is eligible to be a candidate.
Accordingly, the strict criteria for an individual to be eligible as a candidate, should be eliminated, and deposit for such elections and the General Elections should be eliminated.
 

yahoo55

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PAP are racists that's why only Chinese are considered for PM. If I'm Tharman, I would be deeply offended by this racism and discrimination by the PAP pigs.
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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Indians are ceo's is major successful western corporations. You will be hard pressed to find any chinks working in these places. Only the ones that failed, such as yahoo and bkackberry, chinks are in charge.

Fuck you nigger also how is a western corporation comparable to a country? Yahoo isn't a failure you nigger
 

rover2sg

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It does look like he too like the father will remain in the Istana pulling the strings until the day he keels over. I know that Heng has not relations to any of the establishment figures or the Lee Clan. Lawrence is a mystery. Ong Ye Kung via his father has roots in the PAP prior to independence. The Kwa clan carried a lot of influence and Teo Chee Hean is the last remaining one.

How is the relationship to the Kwa clan?:smile:
 

chootchiew

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You mean like this? :biggrin:

chan-chun-sing-tug.gif

human-centipede-drawing.jpg


Multiply this by X2 :p

We start with cutting the ligamentum patella, the ligaments of the kneecaps, so knee extension is no longer possible. Pulling from "B" and "C" the central incisors, lateral incisors and canines from the upper and lower jaws, the lips from "B" and "C," and the anus of "A" and "B," are cut circular along the border between skin and mucosa, the mucus cutaneous zone. Two pedicelated grafts are prepared and lifted from the underlying tissue. The shaped incisions below the chins of "B" and "C" up to their cheeks connecting the circular mucosa and skin parts of anus and mouth, from "A" to "B," and "B" to "C," connecting the pedicelated grafts to the chin-cheek incisions from "A" to "B," and "B" to "C," creating a Siamese triplet, connected via the gastric system. Ingestion by A, passing through B, to the excretion of C. The human centipede, first sequence.
 
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scroobal

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Not direct blood line. Both their parents were OCBC directors and stakeholder and their families have had long relationship. Teo Cheng Guan (father of DPM) was Chairman of OCBC before handing it to Tony Tan when he first left Cabinet in 1991.

How is the relationship to the Kwa clan?:smile:
 

scroobal

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http://themiddleground.sg/2016/09/04/khaw-pap-unseemly-response/Give a suggestion, get a PAP put down
Sep 04, 2016 06.00PM | Bertha Henson linkedin

by Bertha Henson

THE day after the National Day Rally (Aug 22), a reporter from a wire agency rang me for my views: What does the Prime Minister’s brief faint say about the fragility of leadership succession? I am putting this broadly, because the questions were rather indirect. But it was clear to me that the reporter wanted me to talk about how the lack of a designated successor is detrimental for Singapore. A few times, I interjected to tell him that we shouldn’t be “making a mountain out of a molehill”. The PM picked himself up and is alright. I also said that Singapore these days doesn’t have a “strongman” style of government, which collapses when the leader goes. The PM is more like First among Equals who seems to have been picked by his fellow Cabinet ministers.

How did I know, he asked.

I said that this was reported for Mr Goh Chok Tong’s succession and for Mr Lee Hsien Loong, the succession plan was clear. Mr Lee became Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) in 1990 and had a long runway to 2004 when he took over the mantle. Mr Lee was clearly from the third generation of leaders while Mr Goh was from the second. This time, of course, the signs are pretty mixed since both DPMs, Mr Tharman Shanmugaratnam and Mr Teo Chee Hean, can be viewed as belonging to Mr Lee’s generation, that is Gen 3.0 or at most Gen 3.5.

I surmised that if anything happened to Mr Lee, one of them could move into the top job easily. As for who would lead the fourth generation, his guess on whom among the usual suspects would make the cut would be as good as mine. Things will probably get clearer in the next Cabinet re-shuffle when it would be time for someone younger to make it into the DPM ranks – in time for the PM to retire after the next general election (GE), as he himself had said.

We were talking in circles, I know. Then we moved on to how the People’s Action Party (PAP) picks its leaders. The textbook answer is that the cadres pick members of the Central Executive Committee (CEC), who picks the secretary-general, who as leader of the party, becomes Prime Minister if his party wins the most seats.

As for whether the job goes to the person with the most votes in the CEC which can have up to 18 members, including six co-opted members, I confessed that I didn’t know. The PAP is a monolith with a conference of cardinals who are sworn to secrecy about their choice of Pope, I said. Also, the party chief-to-PM process didn’t happen for both Mr Goh Chok Tong and Mr Lee Hsien Loong. Mr Goh became party chief in 1992, two years after he became PM. Mr Lee became party chief four months after taking the top job in 2004.

That part, I said, was opaque.

It seems opaque is a bad word to use, looking at how PAP chairman Mr Khaw Boon Wan tore into The Straits Times (ST) commentator Mr Han Fook Kwang’s column suggesting more transparency in the selection process.

The PAP, and by extension, the G seems to have a nasty way of taking down critics. So Mr Khaw, after expressing surprise at the column, said: “He, of all people, should know that the process by which we choose prime ministers is anything but “opaque”. He has worked on many books with Mr Lee Kuan Yew, and heard Mr Lee describe in detail leadership succession in the People’s Action Party (PAP).”

The PAP might want to consider that because he knows the process better than most, Mr Han might be saying something worth thinking about. Or is this a reminder that Mr Han, ex-Editor of ST, should know better than to “rock the boat”.

Mr Han’s column made two points, including how top politicians seemed to be drawn from the ranks of the civil service and the military – which is a fact – and warned of the danger of groupthink. “A system that is perceived to favour those from the public service will naturally deter outsiders,” he said. Mr Khaw did not acknowledge this point, nor argue against it.

Instead he settled for what the PAP has always said:

“We scour the country to find able, honest and committed people to field in elections. Possible candidates go through a rigorous vetting process. This begins the day after every general election.”

“The most promising among every cohort of MPs are then brought into government. They work with senior ministers, and are tested and stretched in a range of portfolios. In the process, they become confident in their roles and gain the trust of the people.”

In other words, it just so happens that the best are from the public service or the military.

Mr Han’s second point about leadership succession was about how the PM was finally chosen. He said: “If it follows from the previous script, it is likely that some time between now and the next GE, the appointed successor will break away from the field and be promoted to a senior position to signal his anointment.”

“Who makes the decision, apart from the PM, though isn’t clear.”

Here, it seems that Mr Khaw is correcting wrong information that Mr Han provided, on the role of the PM. The PM has no say in who his successor will be.

Mr Khaw wrote: “Older ministers, including the current PM, will stay out of the deliberations. This is as it should be, for it is the younger ministers who will have to work with the new PM and help him succeed.”

Mr Khaw’s letter, published in ST, was accompanied by an article on the appointments of PM Goh and PM Lee in the past. You can read it here. Yes, the PM does not have executive decision-making power over this, but surely his views matter?

Mr Khaw acknowledged that the PAP doesn’t have a party chief-to-PM process. It’s the other way around. “The new leader will also have to be elected into the PAP’s Central Executive Committee, and become the party’s secretary-general.”

So the new PM has to at least get enough party cadre votes to make it into the CEC in party elections. But Mr Khaw doesn’t say how he vaults from CEC member to secretary-general. Number of votes from the cadres? Voting by CEC members?

Then Mr Khaw goes on about the divisive process of selecting the head of the government in Australia, Britain and the United States. Some choice phrases: “prodigiously expensive”, ”deeply divisive”. “internecine struggle” and “brutal contest”.

Here in Singapore, however…..

“We are lucky to have had leadership cohesion over five decades, across three generations. The shared sense of purpose among ministers, and the consciousness that becoming PM is a responsibility to be borne and not an ambition to be sought, means the ruling party is not riven by factions.

“Why would we want to exchange this calm and rational process for periodic political bloodlettings that leave deep and lasting wounds, both within the party and the body politic?”

But what did Mr Han actually say? He wrote that in Britain, the Conservative Party leader is chosen by MPs (note that this is a much bigger group than the Cabinet). He said that the Labour Party uses not just MPs, but also registered party members to settle on their choice. Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party’s candidates for leadership must be endorsed by at least 20 members. The US has a long and complicated process that ends in a party convention.

“Obviously there isn’t a right or wrong way, and every party has to decide how best to do it,” said Mr Han. He suggested that the PAP rank-and-file have a more direct hand in picking the leader.

“It isn’t clear such a system will work because it is unlikely there will be many contending candidates. It is just not the done thing here for anyone to put himself up for the party leadership. But it shouldn’t also be such an opaque decision that no one knows what is happening until the succession announcement is made.”

“Being more open and transparent would help Singaporeans understand better why a particular person was chosen and how the assessment was made. It would be good if the ruling party discussed openly the merits of various ways in which this could be done.”

“It should make for good politics.”

By Mr Khaw’s reasoning, the ends justify the means. We’ve always had good outcomes, so why talk about the process? We know best.

Mr Khaw and the PAP probably think they have the last word on the issue. Of course, they do. No one outside the party can influence leadership renewal within the party. Maybe the party rank-and-file are happy enough with the current opacity.

But it surely doesn’t mean a citizen can’t make suggestions without receiving such an unseemly put down?
 

Leongsam

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“We scour the country to find able, honest and committed people to field in elections. Possible candidates go through a rigorous vetting process. This begins the day after every general election.”

“The most promising among every cohort of MPs are then brought into government. They work with senior ministers, and are tested and stretched in a range of portfolios. In the process, they become confident in their roles and gain the trust of the people.”

Judging by the quality of the current leadership this system either isn't working very well or there is a real dearth of leadership talent in the country.
 

scroobal

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In the mid 90s, during GCT's term, the issue of choosing leaders from scholars from Civil Service and the SAF was raised. The general sense was that they have no idea of the real World and the Private sector and selected from this small pool was not beneficial. The decision was made to hire mid-career candidates from the Private Sector into the Admin Service at a grade that would commensurate with their qualifications and experience and thereby enlarging the pool of future leaders. PSC led the recruitment in all the papers, the leaders spoke about it and everyone was excited.

More than a thousand candidates applied. In the end only one Individual was hired in 1996 after all the interviews. I believe one other candidate declined the offer. People were shocked They felt short changed. That candidate was Dr Finnian Tan and he was given the grade of Deputy Secretary and sent to a much coveted Ministry - MTI. He lasted all of 4 years, To cut a long story short, he is now a multi-millionaire, a successful venture capitalist and was involved in the Baidu IPO.

It look like the Civil Service failed in his eyes and not the other way around. The Finnian Tan incident clearly shows that there are lot more capable people out there who have goods to prove it. Yet they continue to pick from the amongst the scholars. None of them had to risk anything in their life or go above what is required since they signed the bond guarantee at the age of 18.


Judging by the quality of the current leadership this system either isn't working very well or there is a real dearth of leadership talent in the country.
 

maxsanic

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In the mid 90s, during GCT's term, the issue of choosing leaders from scholars from Civil Service and the SAF was raised. The general sense was that they have no idea of the real World and the Private sector and selected from this small pool was not beneficial. The decision was made to hire mid-career candidates from the Private Sector into the Admin Service at a grade that would commensurate with their qualifications and experience and thereby enlarging the pool of future leaders. PSC led the recruitment in all the papers, the leaders spoke about it and everyone was excited.

More than a thousand candidates applied. In the end only one Individual was hired in 1996 after all the interviews. I believe one other candidate declined the offer. People were shocked They felt short changed. That candidate was Dr Finnian Tan and he was given the grade of Deputy Secretary and sent to a much coveted Ministry - MTI. He lasted all of 4 years, To cut a long story short, he is now a multi-millionaire, a successful venture capitalist and was involved in the Baidu IPO.

It look like the Civil Service failed in his eyes and not the other way around. The Finnian Tan incident clearly shows that there are lot more capable people out there who have goods to prove it. Yet they continue to pick from the amongst the scholars. None of them had to risk anything in their life or go above what is required since they signed the bond guarantee at the age of 18.

I strongly suspect one of the main reasons holding back the civil service from attracting top caliber people from all walks of life is the ingrained culture and belief in the archaic CEP system as the fundamental building block to talent planning. This system was borrowed from Shell during the civil service's early days and the idea was that people's future potential a.k.a career ceiling decades down the road can be measured and identified just like how states can identify and train talented sportsmen from young to prepare them for the Olympics. Such identified elites are then put on the pedestal and endowed with the best development opportunities, paired with good mentors and subsequently starting from late 90s paid at a much higher rate than normal government employees.

This is all good in theory, but we know in real life it's really not possible to determine an individual's potential 30 years down the road. Sometimes it's because people ace out too early and stagnate, sometimes it could be lack of certain character traits required for senior leadership positions or otherwise it could also be change in personal ambition/interest as they chug along in life. No matter what, just because someone aced in exams in the teens and got a nice scholarship and degree from Oxford does not mean this young adult is good material for Perm Sec or Minister 25 years later.

The unintended effects of this policy has resulted in batches after batches of elites groomed in this manner and holding on to public leadership positions not on their merits in the talent market, but as a result of very little competition whereby only a very small subset of people who were lucky enough to get a high CEP in their early days were really competing for the top jobs. Not only that, this creates a critical mass of group think at the policy making level that defines the culture of the entire civil service.

Even if accomplished private sector folks join the civil service at senior levels, they often find themselves fighting as a minority against their peers and bosses who come from a totally different background. To compound matters, the non-elite civil servants (they like to call themselves farmers colloquially) that often reports into them mostly adopt the know your place and go through motion do-don't-ask sort of mentality. There comes a point where it is just not possible for a few exceptional outsiders to fight the entire system - the boss, the peers and the subordinates all at one go. It's either exit or assimilate in the end.

This, I believe, plays a strong part in how we ended up with 6 indistinguishable individuals with bureaucratic backgrounds who stand for everything and nothing. They were all marinated in the same sauce ever since they embarked on tertiary education.
 
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Force 136

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How can George Yeo be PM material when his preferred solution to Singapore's then woes was to introduce Casino gaming ?

Even more sad was the fact that Cabinet went along with the idea and even LKY abandoned his instincts and allowed the scheme to go through....
 
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