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Stanford Antibody Testing results are out!

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California antibody testing suggests coronavirus may be far more widespread than official count


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The first large-scale coronavirus antibody study of 3,300 people in Santa Clara County, Calif., found that 2.5 to 4.2 percent of those tested were positive for antibodies, suggesting more people have been infected with the disease than public health officials have counted.

The study published Friday estimates that 48,000 to 81,000 people in the county of 2 million could be infected. In early April when the samples were taken, approximately 1,000 confirmed cases were recorded by the county.

Researchers estimate there are likely 50 to 80 times more infections in the state's counties than what is being reported.

“The most important implication of these findings is that the number of infections is much greater than the reported number of cases,” the researchers wrote.
The study, which has yet to be peer-reviewed, required a drop of blood to reveal whether the volunteer test subjects, who were recruited from online ads, had antibodies for the virus.

Widespread antibody tests have been touted by public health officials as a tool that could help governments resume business as usual. Though more research needs to be done on whether the presence of antibodies guarantees immunity from COVID-19, it could help determine who is less at risk and able to return to work and daily life.

However, Eran Bendavid, the associate professor of medicine at Stanford University who led the study, told ABC News's Diane Sawyer on Friday that his research also suggests about 95 percent of the population is still without antibodies which would make a system based on that data point difficult to execute.
“Knowing that well upwards of 90% of the population doesn't have antibodies is going to make that a very difficult choice,” he said. Bendavid also urged those who have tested positive for antibodies to “keep following public health guidelines.”
 

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This 4% figure keeps popping up so let's do a rough calculation for the entire world.

Forget the case counts let's just look at the number of deaths which is 130,000. Let's assume it's under counted and the actual figure is double ie 260.000.

The world's population is 7.8 billion 4% infected is 312,000,000

Mortality rate works out to 0.08%. Similar to a bad flu year.

If we use the official figure of 130,000 dead then the mortality rate is 0.04%
 

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At no time did NZ do what Taiwan, Hongkong and S Korea did which was to go head on into battle early in the game.
I believe taiwan snd hong kong shut their border with china early on. Isolating themselves from infection. More or less, delaying the effect of covid on their community until a vaccine is found.
 

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I believe taiwan snd hong kong shut their border with china early on. Isolating themselves from infection. More or less, delaying the effect of covid on their community.

The question I have to ask right now is since they have pretty much closed their borders how long will they be able to stay isolated from the rest of the world like North Korea? 3 months? 6 months? 18 to 24 months after a vaccine is developed which might not be the case?

If they are very lucky the virus will mutate and become harmless within a couple of months. If it doesn't at some point they will have to bite the bullet and reconnect with the rest of the world.

NZ is in the same boat and the country relies very heavily on tourism. ONE QUARTER of NZ's foreign exchange earnings comes from tourism. There is no way the country can hold out till a vaccine arrives if ever.
 

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And who as a health spokesmen, declared this, causing even more panic in my opinion,


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WHO says Covid-19 is 10 times more deadly than swine flu
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Issued on: 13/04/2020 - 19:05Modified: 13/04/2020 - 19:11
WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says the coronavirus is 10 times as deadly as the swine flu.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says the coronavirus is 10 times as deadly as the swine flu. © Martial Trezzini / EFE
Text by:NEWS WIRES
The novel coronavirus is 10 times more deadly than swine flu, also called H1N1, which caused a global pandemic in 2009, the World Health Organization said Monday, calling for control measures to be lifted “slowly”.
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WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a virtual briefing from Geneva that the organisation was constantly learning about the new virus sweeping the globe, which has now killed nearly 115,000 people and infected over 1.8 million.
"We know that COVID-19 spreads fast, and we know that it is deadly, 10 times deadlier than the 2009 flu pandemic," he said.
WHO says 18,500 people died of "swine flu", or H1N1, which was first uncovered in Mexico and the United States in March 2009, but the Lancet medical estimated the toll to be between 151,700 and 575,400.
The Lancet review included estimated deaths in Africa and Southeast Asia that were not accounted for by the WHO.

The outbreak, which was declared a pandemic in June 2009 and considered over by August 2010, turned out to be not as deadly as first feared.
Vaccines were rushed out, but in hindsight, the West, particularly Europe, and the WHO were criticised for overreacting at a time when annual influenza epidemics every year killed between 250,000 and 500,000 people, according to WHO.
Tedros lamented Monday that some countries are seeing a doubling of cases every three to four days, but stressed that if countries were committed to "early case-finding, testing, isolating (and) caring for every case and tracing every contact" they could rein in the virus.
More than half of the planet's population is currently staying home as part of efforts to stem the spread of the virus, but Tedros warned that "our global connectedness means the risk of re-introduction and resurgence of the disease will continue".
He pointed out that while COVID-19 had accelerated quickly, "it decelerates much more slowly."
"In other words, the way down is much slower than the way up," he said, stressing that "control measures must be lifted slowly, and with control. It cannot happen all at once."
"Control measures can only be lifted if the right public health measures are in place, including significant capacity for contact tracing," he said.
Regardless of the efforts put in place, the WHO acknowledged that "ultimately, the development and delivery of a safe and effective vaccine will be needed to fully interrupt transmission".
A vaccine is thought to be at least 12 to 18 months away.
 

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And who as a health spokesmen, declared this, causing even more panic in my opinion,

#CORONAVIRUS
#FRANCELOCKDOWN
FRANCE
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Coronavirus notice • View the recommendations and information for travellers issued by the French Government


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WHO says Covid-19 is 10 times more deadly than swine flu
1Kshares
Issued on: 13/04/2020 - 19:05Modified: 13/04/2020 - 19:11
WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says the coronavirus is 10 times as deadly as the swine flu.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says the coronavirus is 10 times as deadly as the swine flu. © Martial Trezzini / EFE
Text by:NEWS WIRES
The novel coronavirus is 10 times more deadly than swine flu, also called H1N1, which caused a global pandemic in 2009, the World Health Organization said Monday, calling for control measures to be lifted “slowly”.
ADVERTISING

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a virtual briefing from Geneva that the organisation was constantly learning about the new virus sweeping the globe, which has now killed nearly 115,000 people and infected over 1.8 million.
"We know that COVID-19 spreads fast, and we know that it is deadly, 10 times deadlier than the 2009 flu pandemic," he said.
WHO says 18,500 people died of "swine flu", or H1N1, which was first uncovered in Mexico and the United States in March 2009, but the Lancet medical estimated the toll to be between 151,700 and 575,400.
The Lancet review included estimated deaths in Africa and Southeast Asia that were not accounted for by the WHO.

The outbreak, which was declared a pandemic in June 2009 and considered over by August 2010, turned out to be not as deadly as first feared.
Vaccines were rushed out, but in hindsight, the West, particularly Europe, and the WHO were criticised for overreacting at a time when annual influenza epidemics every year killed between 250,000 and 500,000 people, according to WHO.
Tedros lamented Monday that some countries are seeing a doubling of cases every three to four days, but stressed that if countries were committed to "early case-finding, testing, isolating (and) caring for every case and tracing every contact" they could rein in the virus.
More than half of the planet's population is currently staying home as part of efforts to stem the spread of the virus, but Tedros warned that "our global connectedness means the risk of re-introduction and resurgence of the disease will continue".
He pointed out that while COVID-19 had accelerated quickly, "it decelerates much more slowly."
"In other words, the way down is much slower than the way up," he said, stressing that "control measures must be lifted slowly, and with control. It cannot happen all at once."
"Control measures can only be lifted if the right public health measures are in place, including significant capacity for contact tracing," he said.
Regardless of the efforts put in place, the WHO acknowledged that "ultimately, the development and delivery of a safe and effective vaccine will be needed to fully interrupt transmission".
A vaccine is thought to be at least 12 to 18 months away.

The data that WHO publishes seems to contradict all the other official health bodies.

WHO says only 18,500 died of swine flu worldwide???

In the meantime CDC says 80,000 deaths in just one flu season in the USA alone!????? No wonder Trump does not want to fund these stooges.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html

(CNN)An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This means it was the deadliest season in more than four decades -- since 1976, the date of the first published paper reporting total seasonal flu deaths, said CDC Spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund.
In previous seasons, flu-related deaths have ranged from a low of about 12,000 during the 2011-2012 season to a high of about 56,000 during the 2012-2013.
 

SBFNews

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I suggest those who are in support of herd immunity walk the talk. Get your whole family father mother son daughter sister brother grandfather grandmother down to NCID now and kiss, hug and have enormous bodily contact with a Covid patient. I await your outcome. Otherwise, you are no better than those fear mongers.
 

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What I think is that although it is not herd immunity yet it does suggest that lockdowns are pretty futile and it is too late for contact tracing.

And the description of the study implies that the random sample was all healthy individuals and not those who have tested positive. We therefore have to add the percentage who are positive to the this figure as that would be a snapshot of the situation as it stands now.

If I was a PM of a country I would continue the social distancing and hygiene campaigns and get the country back on track but I'm not so what I think does not really matter.

Assume the Stanford study is correct, so about 6% of Singaporean have already been infected; so infected cases should be about 177,00 x 2 = 350,000, not the official figure of 5050. Mortality rate is: 11/350,000 = 0.003 %.

A mortality rate of 0.003% is almost zero and no one should care about it.

But then can someone explain what is happening in Italy and Spain. Was there a mistake that they hospitalized all infected persons with symptoms which was the reason the hospitals were overwhelmed. Then what about the shortage of ventilators - was there really a need for ventilators.

Say the world now completely go back to normal. The only precaution is for the older people to try to stay at home. There is not even a need to test for anything - virus nor antibodies. What would happen? Wait and we have 50% of the world population (7.6 bln) getting infected = 3.8 billion with total death 11.4 million (much below the black death of 200 millions!). We will save the world economy at a cost of 11.4 million deaths (additional to usual death) and many having to go through the trials of recovering from serious symptoms.

The older folks cannot be safe even at home as long as they are not isolated from the world at large.

Is the Singapore government aware of this alternative to confronting this so-called "pandemic"?

Chan Rasjid.
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"Chemical Analysis Of Plain Distilled Water May Refute Mass-Energy Conservation Of E=mc²"
"The Relativistic Mechanics of E=mc² Fails"; E=mc² is wrong.
"Is Mass Spectrometry Accurate"; Penning trap cannot measure atomic mass.
"Coulomb Electric Gravity"; gravity is all Coulomb electric.
http://www.emc2fails.com
 

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Assume the Stanford study is correct, so about 6% of Singaporean have already been infected; so infected cases should be about 177,00 x 2 = 350,000, not the official figure of 5050. Mortality rate is: 11/350,000 = 0.003 %.

A mortality rate of 0.003% is almost zero and no one should care about it.

But then can someone explain what is happening in Italy and Spain. Was there a mistake that they hospitalized all infected persons with symptoms which was the reason the hospitals were overwhelmed. Then what about the shortage of ventilators - was there really a need for ventilators.

Say the world now completely go back to normal. The only precaution is for the older people to try to stay at home. There is not even a need to test for anything - virus nor antibodies. What would happen? Wait and we have 50% of the world population (7.6 bln) getting infected = 3.8 billion with total death 11.4 million (much below the black death of 200 millions!). We will save the world economy at a cost of 11.4 million deaths (additional to usual death) and many having to go through the trials of recovering from serious symptoms.

The older folks cannot be safe even at home as long as they are not isolated from the world at large.

Is the Singapore government aware of this alternative to confronting this so-called "pandemic"?

Chan Rasjid.
Singapore.

"Chemical Analysis Of Plain Distilled Water May Refute Mass-Energy Conservation Of E=mc²"
"The Relativistic Mechanics of E=mc² Fails"; E=mc² is wrong.
"Is Mass Spectrometry Accurate"; Penning trap cannot measure atomic mass.
"Coulomb Electric Gravity"; gravity is all Coulomb electric.
http://www.emc2fails.com
To be honest I am still very confused as to why different countries should see such vastly different % of deaths. It really is very strange.

What is the difference between new york and chicago?? Chicago only has 461 deaths and 70% are black. What is the difference?

The truth behind all these numbers may never emerge because everything is politicised to death.

Nevertheless the more data we gather the clearer the true picture will be.
 

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I suggest those who are in support of herd immunity walk the talk. Get your whole family father mother son daughter sister brother grandfather grandmother down to NCID now and kiss, hug and have enormous bodily contact with a Covid patient. I await your outcome. Otherwise, you are no better than those fear mongers.
That was actually how I gained immunity to Mumps and Measles.

There was no vaccine available at the time. The only way to become immune was to catch it and the earlier this was done the better.

My parents walked the talk and ensured that I was infected when I was still in primary school.

At the time 1 in 500 kids died of measles but the risk increased with age. That's a 0.2% mortality rate.

Anesthesia was another risky process but some operations just had to be done after weighing the risk factors. The death rate just from the anesthesia administered before an operation could kill you. It still can but the risks are a lot lower now but they still increase with age.

The difference then was that there was no internet to spread panic and fear. Certain things had to be done and people just bit the bullet and hoped for the best.
 

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Antibody tests suggest that coronavirus infections vastly exceed official counts
Smriti Mallapaty

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Roughly circular yellow blobs with dark patches scattered over pink and white background.


Limited global testing for coronavirus (yellow) has led researchers to try to estimate the prevalence of infection within specific communities.Credit: CDC/Science Photo Library

Widespread antibody testing in a Californian county has revealed a much higher prevalence of coronavirus infection than official figures suggested. The findings also indicate that the virus is less deadly than current estimates of global case and death counts suggest. But some scientists have raised concerns about the accuracy of kits used in such studies because most have not been rigorously assessed to confirm they are reliable.

An analysis of the blood of some 3,300 people living in Santa Clara county in early April found that one in every 66 people had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. On the basis of that finding, the researchers estimate that between 48,000 and 82,000 of the county’s roughly 2 million inhabitants were infected with the virus at that time — numbers that contrast sharply with the official case count of some 1,000 people reported in early April, according the analysis posted today on medRxiv. The work has not yet been peer reviewed.

The results are some of the first of more than a dozen ‘sero-prevalence surveys’ being carried out in cities worldwide to try to estimate populations’ true infection rates, in the absence of widespread diagnostic testing. The World Health Organization is also running a global sero-prevalence study, known as Solidarity II.
Many surveys are using commercial antibody kits to detect antibodies against the virus in blood samples. The presence of SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies reveals that a person hadhas been infected for at least a week earlier, even if they have had no symptoms.

“A sero-survey gives you a snapshot in time of who is infected in your given population,” says Kanta Subbarao, a virologist at the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity in Melbourne. This is especially important for an infection such as SARS-CoV-2, for which some people show no symptoms, or only mild ones, she says.

When combined with information about age, gender, symptoms, co-morbidities and socioeconomic status, these survey can also help to answer questions about factors such as the role of children in spreading the infection, and the portion of cases that are asymptomatic.

“This is a really inexpensive way to get an incredible amount of information,” says Jayanta Bhattacharya, a health economist at Stanford University in California and a co-author of the study.

News of the Santa Clara analysis follows preliminary results from a similar study in Germany, released on 9 April, that tested some 500 people in a village of more than 12,000 and found that one in seven had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. The German team also looked for active infections, using diagnostic tests based on the polymerase chain reaction, and when those figures were combined with those who had antibodies, estimate that the town’s overall infection rate was 15%.

But this result might not be indicative of what’s happening across Germany, says virologist Christian Drosten, who heads the Institute of Virology at the Charité university hospital in Berlin, because many people in the town celebrated at a carnival in February. “There was a big point source outbreak in that village,” he says.

The fact that both studies detected much higher rates of infection than official figures suggest is not surprising, says Peter Collignon, a physician and microbiologist at the Australian National University in Canberra. The virus had been spreading in the United States and parts of Europe for at least a month before it was detected as spreading in the community.

Antibody kits aren’t just being used for population studies. Kits are also being marketed to individuals to test whether they’ve had the disease. But experts warn that most tests haven’t been rigorously evaluated to ensure they are reliable.

Collignon notes that the commercial antibody tests used in both studies were evaluated using only a small number of people, which could also affect the accuracy of the survey results.

How deadly is SARS-CoV-2?

Sero-surveys can also provide a better estimate of how deadly a virus is, using a measure known as the infection fatality rate (IFR) — the proportion of all infections, not just those confirmed through clinical testing, that result in death.

An accurate IFR can improve models being used to decide public-health responses. If a disease turns out to be less deadly than previously estimated, this could reframe discussions around the measures being introduced to contain it, and their economic and social impact, says Neeraj Sood, a health economist at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, who is leading a separate antibody study in Los Angeles and is also a co-author in the Santa Clara study. “We are trying to prevent the spread of disease, but at the same time we have rising unemployment in the US because of the preventive measures, so there is a trade-off here,” he says.

The Santa Clara team estimated an IFR for the county of 0.1–0.2%, which would equate to about 100 deaths in 48,000-82,000 infections. As of 10 April, the county's official death count was 50 people. The study's IFR is lower than the IFR used in models by researchers at Imperial College London, which estimated an IFR for Great Britain on the basis of data from China to be 0.9%. In another study, the same group later estimated an IFR for China of 0.66%, and a study of deaths on the Diamond Princess cruise ship estimated an IFR of 0.5%.

Figures vary in different places for several reasons, including the age distribution of the population and the extent of testing.

Fatality rate estimates have been revised down over time as more people have been tested and researchers have gained more insight into less-severe cases, as happened with swine flu in 2009, says Eran Bendavid, a population-health researcher at Stanford University who led the Santa Clara study.
Test concerns

Some scientists have raised concerns about the reliability of the antibody tests used in these surveys, another factor that could affect the accuracy of the survey results.

To ensure a test is sensitive enough to pick up almost all SARS-CoV-2 infections, it needs to be evaluated on hundreds of positive cases of COVID-19 and thousands of negative ones, says Michael Busch, an infectious-diseases researcher and director of the Vitalant Research Institute in San Francisco, California, who is also leading a sero-prevalence survey.


The researchers involved in the Santa Clara study say that they assessed the sensitivity and specificity of the antibody tests they used — a relatively cheap finger-prick kit developed by Premier Biotech, a biotechnology company based in Minneapolis, Minnesota — in an initial 37 positive samples and 30 negative controls. The tests identified 80% of the positive samples and 100% of the negatives. A follow-up assessment in 30 positive and 88 negative controls found that the test correctly identified 28 positives and all 88 negatives.

To estimate the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara from their sample, Bendavid says they adjusted for the test kit’s performance and differences in the survey population relative to the county. The survey participants included a higher proportion of white, female and affluent individuals than is found in the county’s population.

Bhattacharya says the results probably undercount the prevalence in the wider population, because they miss anyone who has been infected too recently to have mounted an immune response, and exclude people in prisons, nursing homes and other institutional settings.

Results are expected soon from sero-prevalence surveys run by other groups around the world, including teams in China, Australia, Iceland, Italy, Germany and several others in the United States.

This story will be updated throughout the day.
 

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That was actually how I gained immunity to Mumps and Measles.

There was no vaccine available at the time. The only way to become immune was to catch it and the earlier this was done the better.

My parents walked the talk and ensured that I was infected when I was still in primary school.

At the time 1 in 500 kids died of measles but the risk increased with age. That's a 0.2% mortality rate.

Anesthesia was another risky process but some operations just had to be done after weighing the risk factors. The death rate just from the anesthesia administered before an operation could kill you. It still can but the risks are a lot lower now but they still increase with age.

The difference then was that there was no internet to spread panic and fear. Certain things had to be done and people just bit the bullet and hoped for the best.



Same, we were purposely asked to mix with those kids that's infected and once you survived you're immune, there were no vaccines then only the strong needs to survive it's nature's law.

Now the kuniang and kiasi kiasu 30% ignorant weak chain-smoker, geylang sex-worker transporters, oppy supporters, kpkb starts all the blame and fear mongering as if the entire world owes them a living.... fucking twits !
 

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Same, we were purposely asked to mix with those kids that's infected and once you survived you're immune, there were no vaccines then only the strong needs to survive it's nature's law.

In the past it’s lupsup jiak, lupsup tua. Now so sterile... poor thing lah, this generation.
 

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Herd immunity can be fatal and will wipe out humanity if its done without a vaccine. Period. Imagine the chaos it will cause and the death it will bring. Hospitals for starters will be overwhelmed, causing a breakdown in healthcare and killing those with other illnesses. The virus, if allowed to run rampant, could mutate to a more deadly strain, so don't bet on having any immunity when enough people get it.
Herd immunity has a small chance of success only IF a vaccine is found. Wannabe virologists with little or no medical backgrounds trying to sound smart and spreading the "wonders" of herd immunity without a vaccine, have never thought through enough of the repercussions and the deadly outcomes. That is why they are wannabes. Listen to the experts and just avoid people for this period of time. I would rather take the blows, hide away for a few months, work from home and emerge to see myself and loved ones alive after this pandemic blows over.
 
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