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South China Sea: US has declared China's Maritime Claims as Illegal. Game over for China

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leeisphtui

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so now the chinks dont even have a historical claim on the south china sea! WTF?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ric-rights-disputed-seas-200712124059625.html

China's own records debunk 'historic rights' over disputed seas


Experts say official Chinese documents belie 'nine-dash line' as Beijing asserts dominance in South China Sea.
by Ted Regencia
16 Jul 2020

A ruling at The Hague in 2016 tossed out Beijing's 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]

A ruling at The Hague in 2016 tossed out Beijing's 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]
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Having secured an alliance with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte during a state visit to Beijing in 2016, Chinese President Xi Jinping underlined it when he visited Manila in 2018, promising a new chapter in the two nations' diplomatic ties and vowing to turn the disputed South China Sea into "a sea of peace".
In a published message to Filipinos just before his trip, Xi recalled how, more than 600 years ago, Chinese explorer Zheng He "made multiple visits to the Manila Bay, Visayas and Sulu" areas during his "seven overseas voyages seeking friendship and cooperation".
The suggestion was that China had been in contact with the archipelago long before Europeans arrived and named it Las Islas Filipinas after Spain's King Felipe II. It was also a way for Xi to bolster China's claims in the South China Sea - based on its "nine-dash line" and long contested by the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia.
The problem is that the evidence suggests Zheng never set foot in the future Philippine islands.
"All the scholars all over the world are unanimous: Zheng He never visited the Philippines," Antonio Carpio said in an online lecture earlier this month, calling Xi's anecdote "totally false". The former Philippine Supreme Court justice also presented official Chinese records that debunk Beijing's "historical maritime rights" over the South China Sea - thereby raising new questions about its standing in the region as tensions escalate.
South China Sea tensions prevail ahead of The Hague ruling (2:31)
On Monday, the US raised the stakes, saying "Beijing's claims to offshore resources" across most of the disputed seas were "completely unlawful". US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo added that the world would "not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire." In response, Beijing accused Washington of unnecessarily inflaming the situation.

Earlier, the US deployed the warships USS Nimitz and USS Ronald Reagan to assert what it calls its freedom of navigation in the waters. A sailor on one of the ships told Al Jazeera that the operations could last for weeks. China held a large-scale naval exercise in the area from July 1 to 5.
'History vs facts on the ground'
Historical records may not favour China in the continuing debate on the control of the South China Sea, through which as much as $5.3 trillion in global trade passes annually.
Refuting the Chinese president's claim, Carpio presented evidence from China's own Naval Hydrographic Institute, chronicling Zheng's visit to the then-Cham Kingdom of central Vietnam. A translation mixup of the kingdom's Chinese name incorrectly referred to it later as a Philippine island.
A 2019 Ancient History Encyclopedia article also traced Zheng's expeditions in the early 1400s as far as Arabia and Africa, but nowhere in the story did it mention Zheng's supposed visit to the Philippines.
Chinese Map - Tang Dynasty

A map of ancient China dating back to the Tang Dynasty shows that the island of Hainan was the country's southernmost territory [State Bureau of Cultural Relics of China via the presentation of Philippine Justice Antonio Carpio]
To further disprove China's claim of "historical rights", Carpio presented several ancient Chinese maps, dating as far back as 900 years ago, to the Song and Tang dynasties. All the maps showed that China's southernmost territory was the island of Hainan.
Additionally, the 1947 Constitution of the Republic of China, also identified Hainan as the country's southernmost part, raising questions over what would later emerge as the "nine-dash line" claim.

Regardless of the historical evidence, the reality is that China already "controls almost all the facts on the ground" and now has a "real and credible foothold" in the South China Sea, said Thomas Benjamin Daniel, senior foreign policy expert at Malaysia's Institute of Strategic and International Studies (ISIS Malaysia).
Still, Daniel and other analysts urge China and other stakeholders in the region to abide by the principles and spirit of international law, to keep the peace and avoid situations that would lead "down a very dangerous road."

'Nine-dash line'
For years, China has anchored its South China Sea claims on the "nine-dash line", under which it lays claim to almost 90 percent of the disputed waters as far south as the coasts of Malaysian Borneo and Brunei. Images published by China showed the imaginary line almost hugging the shores of neighbouring countries.
Using the controversial line, Beijing has been ramping up activities in the South China Sea, starting with the Paracel Islands in the 1970s and 1980s, the Spratly Islands in the 1990s, and the Scarborough Shoal in the early 2000s.
Chester Cabalza, a security analyst and fellow at the National Defence University in Beijing, said China has been strategic in approaching the "South China Sea conundrum". He added that the ongoing coronavirus pandemic has only provided the country even more opportunities to advance its interests.
"It seems like China is winning," he told Al Jazeera, noting how it had militarised the disputed waters by developing rocks and atolls into islands in recent years.

ISIS Malaysia's Daniel added that China "is playing the long game", as it attempts to solidify and "normalise" its regional maritime position.
Subi Reef - The Hague

An aerial view of the disputed Subi reef shows China's construction of maritime and aerial facilities on reclaimed land in 2017 [File: Francis R Malasig/EPA]
The Hague ruling
Beijing's approach encountered resistance in 2016 with the landmark ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, which declared that China's "historical rights" had no legal basis.
The ruling also said that the rocks and the partly submerged features on which China had built its naval and aerial facilities, were within the 200 nautical-mile (370.4km) Exclusive Economic Zone of the Philippines, as defined by the UN. An EEZ is an area where only the country it belongs to can fish and explore natural resources, although safe passage is granted to foreign vessels.
The court also established the EEZs of Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and Vietnam, boosting their positions in relation to China.
Furthermore, the court said China's reclaimed areas and artificial islands were not entitled to a 12-nautical-mile (22.2km) territorial sea, because they were not habitable in their original form. As such, freedom of navigation and overflight are allowed in those areas.
China refused to participate in the arbitration case, dismissing the ruling as "null and void".
COUNTING THE COST | South China Sea: Beijing extends its military and economic reach (26:01)
 
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Game over? I think it should be the game has just started. International policeman USA will pay a high price as China is no pushover like smaller nations. Firstly it is communist and they don't lose sleep over bodies and body bags count. USA is just a mere pussy ever ready to drop atomic bombs as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
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winners

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leeisphtui said:
not an election issue. PRc has pissed off the whole world with South China Sea, virus and diplomats around the world acting like bullies. problem is china is not as strong as we are led to believe even they lost to india with defeat and retreat on the LAC even indonesia has defeated the chinks near natunas recently.
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In my opinion, all the present reactions from the US are only for Wayang. Do you think Trump will take the risk and start a war with China when his election is just 4 months away? Furthermore, I don't think China is ready for a war now, especially when the Covid-19 pandemic still has no concrete solution at the moment.

Both the US and China are always boasting with a lot of hot air and tit-for-tat threats. Unlike the EU, which takes a more subtle approach and not so rowdy.
 
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winners

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leeisphtui said:
so now the chinks dont even have a historical claim on the south china sea! WTF?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ric-rights-disputed-seas-200712124059625.html

China's own records debunk 'historic rights' over disputed seas


Experts say official Chinese documents belie 'nine-dash line' as Beijing asserts dominance in South China Sea.
by Ted Regencia
16 Jul 2020

A ruling at The Hague in 2016 tossed out Beijing's 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]'s 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]

A ruling at The Hague in 2016 tossed out Beijing's 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]
MORE ON ASIA PACIFIC
Having secured an alliance with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte during a state visit to Beijing in 2016, Chinese President Xi Jinping underlined it when he visited Manila in 2018, promising a new chapter in the two nations' diplomatic ties and vowing to turn the disputed South China Sea into "a sea of peace".
In a published message to Filipinos just before his trip, Xi recalled how, more than 600 years ago, Chinese explorer Zheng He "made multiple visits to the Manila Bay, Visayas and Sulu" areas during his "seven overseas voyages seeking friendship and cooperation".
The suggestion was that China had been in contact with the archipelago long before Europeans arrived and named it Las Islas Filipinas after Spain's King Felipe II. It was also a way for Xi to bolster China's claims in the South China Sea - based on its "nine-dash line" and long contested by the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia.
The problem is that the evidence suggests Zheng never set foot in the future Philippine islands.
"All the scholars all over the world are unanimous: Zheng He never visited the Philippines," Antonio Carpio said in an online lecture earlier this month, calling Xi's anecdote "totally false". The former Philippine Supreme Court justice also presented official Chinese records that debunk Beijing's "historical maritime rights" over the South China Sea - thereby raising new questions about its standing in the region as tensions escalate.
South China Sea tensions prevail ahead of The Hague ruling (2:31)
On Monday, the US raised the stakes, saying "Beijing's claims to offshore resources" across most of the disputed seas were "completely unlawful". US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo added that the world would "not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire." In response, Beijing accused Washington of unnecessarily inflaming the situation.

Earlier, the US deployed the warships USS Nimitz and USS Ronald Reagan to assert what it calls its freedom of navigation in the waters. A sailor on one of the ships told Al Jazeera that the operations could last for weeks. China held a large-scale naval exercise in the area from July 1 to 5.
'History vs facts on the ground'
Historical records may not favour China in the continuing debate on the control of the South China Sea, through which as much as $5.3 trillion in global trade passes annually.
Refuting the Chinese president's claim, Carpio presented evidence from China's own Naval Hydrographic Institute, chronicling Zheng's visit to the then-Cham Kingdom of central Vietnam. A translation mixup of the kingdom's Chinese name incorrectly referred to it later as a Philippine island.
A 2019 Ancient History Encyclopedia article also traced Zheng's expeditions in the early 1400s as far as Arabia and Africa, but nowhere in the story did it mention Zheng's supposed visit to the Philippines.
Chinese Map - Tang Dynasty

A map of ancient China dating back to the Tang Dynasty shows that the island of Hainan was the country's southernmost territory [State Bureau of Cultural Relics of China via the presentation of Philippine Justice Antonio Carpio]
To further disprove China's claim of "historical rights", Carpio presented several ancient Chinese maps, dating as far back as 900 years ago, to the Song and Tang dynasties. All the maps showed that China's southernmost territory was the island of Hainan.
Additionally, the 1947 Constitution of the Republic of China, also identified Hainan as the country's southernmost part, raising questions over what would later emerge as the "nine-dash line" claim.

Regardless of the historical evidence, the reality is that China already "controls almost all the facts on the ground" and now has a "real and credible foothold" in the South China Sea, said Thomas Benjamin Daniel, senior foreign policy expert at Malaysia's Institute of Strategic and International Studies (ISIS Malaysia).
Still, Daniel and other analysts urge China and other stakeholders in the region to abide by the principles and spirit of international law, to keep the peace and avoid situations that would lead "down a very dangerous road."

'Nine-dash line'
For years, China has anchored its South China Sea claims on the "nine-dash line", under which it lays claim to almost 90 percent of the disputed waters as far south as the coasts of Malaysian Borneo and Brunei. Images published by China showed the imaginary line almost hugging the shores of neighbouring countries.
Using the controversial line, Beijing has been ramping up activities in the South China Sea, starting with the Paracel Islands in the 1970s and 1980s, the Spratly Islands in the 1990s, and the Scarborough Shoal in the early 2000s.
Chester Cabalza, a security analyst and fellow at the National Defence University in Beijing, said China has been strategic in approaching the "South China Sea conundrum". He added that the ongoing coronavirus pandemic has only provided the country even more opportunities to advance its interests.
"It seems like China is winning," he told Al Jazeera, noting how it had militarised the disputed waters by developing rocks and atolls into islands in recent years.

ISIS Malaysia's Daniel added that China "is playing the long game", as it attempts to solidify and "normalise" its regional maritime position.
Subi Reef - The Hague

An aerial view of the disputed Subi reef shows China's construction of maritime and aerial facilities on reclaimed land in 2017 [File: Francis R Malasig/EPA]
The Hague ruling
Beijing's approach encountered resistance in 2016 with the landmark ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, which declared that China's "historical rights" had no legal basis.
The ruling also said that the rocks and the partly submerged features on which China had built its naval and aerial facilities, were within the 200 nautical-mile (370.4km) Exclusive Economic Zone of the Philippines, as defined by the UN. An EEZ is an area where only the country it belongs to can fish and explore natural resources, although safe passage is granted to foreign vessels.
The court also established the EEZs of Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and Vietnam, boosting their positions in relation to China.
Furthermore, the court said China's reclaimed areas and artificial islands were not entitled to a 12-nautical-mile (22.2km) territorial sea, because they were not habitable in their original form. As such, freedom of navigation and overflight are allowed in those areas.
China refused to participate in the arbitration case, dismissing the ruling as "null and void".
COUNTING THE COST | South China Sea: Beijing extends its military and economic reach (26:01)
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China is a big bastard alright. But there's no other nation capable of taking on China other than the US. Even Japan is unable to do this task alone. The only way to whack China hard is a combined force of the US, EU and Japan. But I think the majority of the EU countries would rather want to be on a neutral side, except for Boris Johnson.
 
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winners said:
China is a big bastard alright. But there's no other nation capable of taking on China other than the US. Even Japan is unable to do this task alone. The only way to whack China hard is a combined force of the US, EU and Japan. But I think the majority of the EU countries would rather want to be on a neutral side, except for Boris Johnson.
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not just those is ASEAN and 5 EYES (US,UK,Australia, NZ,Canada) Japan, India, even S Americans getting involved against the tiongs (brazil)
 
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tiongsrshit

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leeisphtui said:
so now the chinks dont even have a historical claim on the south china sea! WTF?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ric-rights-disputed-seas-200712124059625.html

China's own records debunk 'historic rights' over disputed seas


Experts say official Chinese documents belie 'nine-dash line' as Beijing asserts dominance in South China Sea.
by Ted Regencia
16 Jul 2020

A ruling at The Hague in 2016 tossed out Beijing's 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]'s 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]

A ruling at The Hague in 2016 tossed out Beijing's 'nine-dash line' claim in the South China Sea [File: Andy Wong/AP]
MORE ON ASIA PACIFIC
Having secured an alliance with Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte during a state visit to Beijing in 2016, Chinese President Xi Jinping underlined it when he visited Manila in 2018, promising a new chapter in the two nations' diplomatic ties and vowing to turn the disputed South China Sea into "a sea of peace".
In a published message to Filipinos just before his trip, Xi recalled how, more than 600 years ago, Chinese explorer Zheng He "made multiple visits to the Manila Bay, Visayas and Sulu" areas during his "seven overseas voyages seeking friendship and cooperation".
The suggestion was that China had been in contact with the archipelago long before Europeans arrived and named it Las Islas Filipinas after Spain's King Felipe II. It was also a way for Xi to bolster China's claims in the South China Sea - based on its "nine-dash line" and long contested by the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia.
The problem is that the evidence suggests Zheng never set foot in the future Philippine islands.
"All the scholars all over the world are unanimous: Zheng He never visited the Philippines," Antonio Carpio said in an online lecture earlier this month, calling Xi's anecdote "totally false". The former Philippine Supreme Court justice also presented official Chinese records that debunk Beijing's "historical maritime rights" over the South China Sea - thereby raising new questions about its standing in the region as tensions escalate.
South China Sea tensions prevail ahead of The Hague ruling (2:31)
On Monday, the US raised the stakes, saying "Beijing's claims to offshore resources" across most of the disputed seas were "completely unlawful". US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo added that the world would "not allow Beijing to treat the South China Sea as its maritime empire." In response, Beijing accused Washington of unnecessarily inflaming the situation.

Earlier, the US deployed the warships USS Nimitz and USS Ronald Reagan to assert what it calls its freedom of navigation in the waters. A sailor on one of the ships told Al Jazeera that the operations could last for weeks. China held a large-scale naval exercise in the area from July 1 to 5.
'History vs facts on the ground'
Historical records may not favour China in the continuing debate on the control of the South China Sea, through which as much as $5.3 trillion in global trade passes annually.
Refuting the Chinese president's claim, Carpio presented evidence from China's own Naval Hydrographic Institute, chronicling Zheng's visit to the then-Cham Kingdom of central Vietnam. A translation mixup of the kingdom's Chinese name incorrectly referred to it later as a Philippine island.
A 2019 Ancient History Encyclopedia article also traced Zheng's expeditions in the early 1400s as far as Arabia and Africa, but nowhere in the story did it mention Zheng's supposed visit to the Philippines.
Chinese Map - Tang Dynasty

A map of ancient China dating back to the Tang Dynasty shows that the island of Hainan was the country's southernmost territory [State Bureau of Cultural Relics of China via the presentation of Philippine Justice Antonio Carpio]
To further disprove China's claim of "historical rights", Carpio presented several ancient Chinese maps, dating as far back as 900 years ago, to the Song and Tang dynasties. All the maps showed that China's southernmost territory was the island of Hainan.
Additionally, the 1947 Constitution of the Republic of China, also identified Hainan as the country's southernmost part, raising questions over what would later emerge as the "nine-dash line" claim.

Regardless of the historical evidence, the reality is that China already "controls almost all the facts on the ground" and now has a "real and credible foothold" in the South China Sea, said Thomas Benjamin Daniel, senior foreign policy expert at Malaysia's Institute of Strategic and International Studies (ISIS Malaysia).
Still, Daniel and other analysts urge China and other stakeholders in the region to abide by the principles and spirit of international law, to keep the peace and avoid situations that would lead "down a very dangerous road."

'Nine-dash line'
For years, China has anchored its South China Sea claims on the "nine-dash line", under which it lays claim to almost 90 percent of the disputed waters as far south as the coasts of Malaysian Borneo and Brunei. Images published by China showed the imaginary line almost hugging the shores of neighbouring countries.
Using the controversial line, Beijing has been ramping up activities in the South China Sea, starting with the Paracel Islands in the 1970s and 1980s, the Spratly Islands in the 1990s, and the Scarborough Shoal in the early 2000s.
Chester Cabalza, a security analyst and fellow at the National Defence University in Beijing, said China has been strategic in approaching the "South China Sea conundrum". He added that the ongoing coronavirus pandemic has only provided the country even more opportunities to advance its interests.
"It seems like China is winning," he told Al Jazeera, noting how it had militarised the disputed waters by developing rocks and atolls into islands in recent years.

ISIS Malaysia's Daniel added that China "is playing the long game", as it attempts to solidify and "normalise" its regional maritime position.
Subi Reef - The Hague

An aerial view of the disputed Subi reef shows China's construction of maritime and aerial facilities on reclaimed land in 2017 [File: Francis R Malasig/EPA]
The Hague ruling
Beijing's approach encountered resistance in 2016 with the landmark ruling of the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, which declared that China's "historical rights" had no legal basis.
The ruling also said that the rocks and the partly submerged features on which China had built its naval and aerial facilities, were within the 200 nautical-mile (370.4km) Exclusive Economic Zone of the Philippines, as defined by the UN. An EEZ is an area where only the country it belongs to can fish and explore natural resources, although safe passage is granted to foreign vessels.
The court also established the EEZs of Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia and Vietnam, boosting their positions in relation to China.
Furthermore, the court said China's reclaimed areas and artificial islands were not entitled to a 12-nautical-mile (22.2km) territorial sea, because they were not habitable in their original form. As such, freedom of navigation and overflight are allowed in those areas.
China refused to participate in the arbitration case, dismissing the ruling as "null and void".
COUNTING THE COST | South China Sea: Beijing extends its military and economic reach (26:01)
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fucking tiongs lost the court case refuse to acknowledge
 
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If I was China this is what I would say to us......can we declare ur invasion of Iraq and middle East illegal and unsubstantiated?

Now sit down and shut up!!!!!
 
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