Socialism

[Leongsam]

competition only when it benefits them,no corporation or capitalists will tell u they want more competition only a monopoly.....and when they established a monopoly,they can deliver substandard quality and charge sky high prices......

all resources are finite,as a company would u wish for other companies to come compete for u for a market or resource thats already limited?
if u were a employee would u want more people to compete at ur cost?

capitalism is selfish and greedy,and human nature is counter intuitive and counter productive to progress

No system is perfect which is why there are regulations which limit monopoly powers etc. However any other system that is not based upon competition and greed is doomed to fail because it goes against the way humans operate.

Humans are by nature competitive. If you try to implement a system which is based upon altruism it is doomed to fail. This is not my theory. It is my observation based upon what has happened in the course of history.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Democracy in US is controlled by 100 lawyers: 4 engineers economy.

Freedom is lawyer ricebowl to brainwash people get into more troubles get more cases for lawyers and ex-lawyers turned judges.

Why no manufacturing in US? And manufacturing moved out go to100 engineers: 4 lawyers Asians economy.

Until US starts to realise too many lawyers does not know how to boil a simple egg, they will try to steal boiled eggs from Asian countries, tiktok is a boiled egg and lawyers are ready to steal it....

 

[syed putra]

In a free market, a monopoly cannot exist for too long. Unless it's a captive market like hong kong where just a handful of rich corporation dominates the economy. Li Ka Shing practically controls everything except banking.

 

[frenchbriefs]

No system is perfect which is why there are regulations which limit monopoly powers etc. However any other system that is not based upon competition and greed is doomed to fail because it goes against the way humans operate.

Humans are by nature competitive. If you try to implement a system which is based upon altruism it is doomed to fail. This is not my theory. It is my observation based upon what has happened in the course of history.

Monopoly is the equivalent of greed,greed is good,the motto of capitalism,to go against monopolies means ur going against greed,against people making as much as they can,ur a socialist.

On the other hand monopolies are anti competitive,so if ur pro greed u should be pro monopoly.....so which are u saying?u support capitalism or anti capitalism?

If u read the book the first tycoon,on Cornelius Vanderbilt,one of the richest man in the history of America,touted to own 1/20th every us dollar in circulation at that time or the equivalent of a few hundred billions today,he was hyper competitve at the beginning but his Ultimate goal or end game was to build a massive monopoly so no one can compete.

Same goes for everyy Microsoft,Google,Facebook,apple,Amazon are all monopolies of their respective industries.

Overwhelming majority of OS is still Microsoft even though Microsoft rescued apple in an anti trust move in 1997.

 

[Leongsam]

Monopoly is the equivalent of greed,greed is good,the motto of capitalism,to go against monopolies means ur going against greed,against people making as much as they can,ur a socialist.

On the other hand monopolies are anti competitive,so if ur pro greed u should be pro monopoly.....so which are u saying?u support capitalism or anti capitalism?

If u read the book the first tycoon,on Cornelius Vanderbilt,one of the richest man in the history of America,touted to own 1/20th every us dollar in circulation at that time or the equivalent of a few hundred billions today,he was hyper competitve at the beginning but his Ultimate goal or end game was to build a massive monopoly so no one can compete.

The debate was not about the evils of a monopoly. It's about capitalism vs the rest.

The overriding tenet of capitalism is private ownership vs the rest of the systems which involve collective/state ownership.

Exactly what are you against? Are you saying that private ownership should not be allowed?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

If capitalism is soo bad..what is the better alternative?

 

[Leongsam]

If capitalism is soo bad..what is the better alternative?

That's the question I am always asking.

 

[frenchbriefs]

The debate was not about the evils of a monopoly. It's about capitalism vs the rest.

The term the overriding tenet of capitalism is private ownership vs the rest of the systems which involve collective/state ownership.

Exactly what are you against? Are you saying that private ownership should not be allowed?

no but the underlying logic is the same,its not about capitalism or socialism.......its about COMPETITION.

i think the argument originally started from whether capitalism created jobs

 

[nightsafari]

Makes me tear when I recall what the Greatest American President said

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President Trump will lift up America from the hell of the Democrats and Make The World Great Again ridding communism and socialism

That's a pretty good summary.

 

[nightsafari]

If capitalism is soo bad..what is the better alternative?

That's the question I am always asking.

there isn't a credible alternative that would serve as a societal foundation. as long as we cannot magic ourselves good and services a la Star Trek, it is the only viable and progressive solution.

 

[nightsafari]

No system is perfect which is why there are regulations which limit monopoly powers etc. However any other system that is not based upon competition and greed is doomed to fail because it goes against the way humans operate.

Humans are by nature competitive. If you try to implement a system which is based upon altruism it is doomed to fail. This is not my theory. It is my observation based upon what has happened in the course of history.

that's only half the story. The other half is down to how resources are finite and deserve to be best allocated.

 

[Leongsam]

Same goes for everyy Microsoft,Google,Facebook,apple,Amazon are all monopolies of their respective industries.

Overwhelming majority of OS is still Microsoft even though Microsoft rescued apple in an anti trust move in 1997.

You seem to have gone off on a tangent. Monopoly isn't synonymous with capitalism. It's a separate entity of it's own the evils of which can just as well be associated with state owned resources too.

And Microsoft, Google, Facebook etc are hardly monopolies because I am doing fine not using any of their services.

Also the predominant OSs are now mobile based.

 

[frenchbriefs]

You seem to have gone off on a tangent. Monopoly isn't synonymous with capitalism. It's a separate entity of it's own the evils of which can just as well be associated with state owned resources too.

And Microsoft, Google, Facebook etc are hardly monopolies because I am doing fine not using any of their services.

Also the predominant OSs are now mobile based.

But u are using them,even if u are not using them, indirectly ur affected because everyone else is using them.
just because u don't use them doesn't mean they are not monopolies.because I don't drive that means standard oil is not a monopoly?

Yes state owned is a monopoly too but for the masses.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Free market capitalism and free soeech, wherever it is applied, appears to create wealth and prosperity.

And slavery......mostly slavery
Prosperity......mostly in the form of pointless and endless consumerism,

A society driven by shallow meaningless consumption and empty mindless greed.
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we have no place or purpose.we are the middle children of history
our great war is the spiritual war.our great depression is our lives.

 

[Leongsam]

But u are using them,even if u are not using them, indirectly ur affected because everyone else is using them.
just because u don't use them doesn't mean they are not monopolies.because I don't drive that means standard oil is not a monopoly?

Yes state owned is a monopoly too but for the masses.

I'm not using them because there are so many alternatives which means they are not monopolies.

So a state owned monopoly is a good monopoly but a privately owned one is bad?

 

[frenchbriefs]

I'm not using them because there are so many alternatives which means they are not monopolies.

So a state owned monopoly is a good monopoly but a privately owned one is bad?

Bro!!!!!just because u clean backside use hands instead of toilet paper doesn't mean there's no monopoly

 

[Leongsam]

Bro!!!!!just because u clean backside use hands instead of toilet paper doesn't mean there's no monopoly

That's forgoing the use of toilet paper. However I am not forgoing the use of anything I am using an alternative app/system.

I use duckduckgo for my searches not google. I use apple maps for navigation. I use telegram groups to chat with those with similar interests. I use flipboard to curate the news that I am interested in by selecting what I want and blocking what I don't.

I use this forum for on line debate and to air any controversial views.

There is an alternative all the so called "monopolies" that you mentioned therefore they cannot be monopolies.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Italian Jew?
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Italians are not jews?

 

[Devil Within]

Socialism is a race to the bottom. That is why it will never work.

 

[Devil Within]