Slot games, Casino Rewards & Privileges

[chivasaurora]

heya guys.. currently im holding on to a Diamond card from MBS.

It has been a year since I've went in.

I am wondering whether there's such a thing where they will deactivate your card and scrap all the points/bonus dollars in it after a while of being inactive?

Would be really sucky if I have been downgraded to purple or gold..

 

[QinShiHuang]

What you are saying doesn't support nor contradict what highroller777 is saying. What you are saying is simply some machines are more volatile than others. This point is not being disputed.

What I disagree with highroller777 is HOW the mechanics of slots machines works. From what I read, he is saying when you press the number, the amount is decided, followed by the "presentation" of the symbols. What I understand from other sites is that when we press the button, where the symbols appear first is determined before the amount is calculated. i.e. the RNG is "mapped" to the symbols on the virtual reels and it is not like when we press the button, the machine says we are suppose to win $100 and then chooses the appropriate symbols to appear.

There's always a lot of myth pertaining to slot machine

What you mention about RNG is absolutely correct

RNG within the slot is keep rolling until we press that hit button, regardless what amount or lines we have bet on, that RNG stop at that combination and subsequently display on the screen

These day, slot machine are just like any other kind of gaming, animation, sound effect, are comparable to those arcade games, btw, IGT or WMS are also 1 of the leading players in create gaming, can check those gaming in their website

So now the question is how a slot machine determine the pay out?

And the percentage payout set within the slot machine now come into picture

Just imagine, we play a normal arcade game, we select easy, definitely the game will be damn easy, if we select hard, obviously will be damn hard to beat the monster lor

So put that to a slot machine, if casino operator set the slot machine percentage payout to 75-85%, RNG will definitely generate rojak combination and it might need million of spin before it will give out good payout

Whereas if percentage payout was set at 90-95%, the frequency to hit a good combination will be higher, is just like setting a gaming to easy mode

That's why, casino operators don't really bother about the max payout, what they do is just simply adjust %, even just simply adjust by 0.1%, the RNG will work differently

Lastly, there's no pre-determine payout for any kind of slot machine in this world, if there is, than is taking we players in the ride, unfair gaming

As a season slot players, we have to break that myth in ourself, always remember, every time we press the hit button, is an independent hit, meaning, imagine if I and you sit on the same machine on the same time (is impossible I know), we press the hit button in the same time, the result will be the same, but if we hit the button different by split second, the result definitely won't be the same

So don't get upset whenever you stand up, the next person sit down get a big win, unless you can hit that button the same time he hit (which is impossible), than maybe you will get that winning

In micro second, RNG can generate million of combination lor

If we can't break that myth within ourself, in long run, slot won't be as entertaining as what we think lor

My England not that good to put in word, hopefully you guys can understand what I mean

Good luck in playing slot

And lastly, as long pay table have indicate, definitely there will be a possibility to strike that combination, I have say before, casino operator must honour what is indicated in the pay table, usually display very clearly on top of machine

 

[yy8888]

There's always a lot of myth pertaining to slot machine

What you mention about RNG is absolutely correct

RNG within the slot is keep rolling until we press that hit button, regardless what amount or lines we have bet on, that RNG stop at that combination and subsequently display on the screen

These day, slot machine are just like any other kind of gaming, animation, sound effect, are comparable to those arcade games, btw, IGT or WMS are also 1 of the leading players in create gaming, can check those gaming in their website

So now the question is how a slot machine determine the pay out?

And the percentage payout set within the slot machine now come into picture

Just imagine, we play a normal arcade game, we select easy, definitely the game will be damn easy, if we select hard, obviously will be damn hard to beat the monster lor

So put that to a slot machine, if casino operator set the slot machine percentage payout to 75-85%, RNG will definitely generate rojak combination and it might need million of spin before it will give out good payout

Whereas if percentage payout was set at 90-95%, the frequency to hit a good combination will be higher, is just like setting a gaming to easy mode

That's why, casino operators don't really bother about the max payout, what they do is just simply adjust %, even just simply adjust by 0.1%, the RNG will work differently

Lastly, there's no pre-determine payout for any kind of slot machine in this world, if there is, than is taking we players in the ride, unfair gaming

As a season slot players, we have to break that myth in ourself, always remember, every time we press the hit button, is an independent hit, meaning, imagine if I and you sit on the same machine on the same time (is impossible I know), we press the hit button in the same time, the result will be the same, but if we hit the button different by split second, the result definitely won't be the same

So don't get upset whenever you stand up, the next person sit down get a big win, unless you can hit that button the same time he hit (which is impossible), than maybe you will get that winning

In micro second, RNG can generate million of combination lor

If we can't break that myth within ourself, in long run, slot won't be as entertaining as what we think lor

My England not that good to put in word, hopefully you guys can understand what I mean

Good luck in playing slot

And lastly, as long pay table have indicate, definitely there will be a possibility to strike that combination, I have say before, casino operator must honour what is indicated in the pay table, usually display very clearly on top of machine

I agree. In the end it just boils down to personal luck and timing. In the long run we will definitely lose. Most of us will have the occasional winning streaks, and the best way is to discipline ourselves to know when we need to run and no longer keep trying until everything is gone.

The last part about paytable is true but it isn't complete. They usually tell us what the payout PER LINE is but don't reveal what is the max possible combination or how stacks are calculated especially in the example of the 5D machine I brought up earlier.

 

[QinShiHuang]

This 2 years, I did not step into our casino, so I don't know how far they have change

These day, server gaming is already in the market, those time, when we think that operators can adjust the percentage payout just by simply clicking on the computer, now is possible

Currently, when a slot machine is set to certain %, in order to change it, it takes time and effort, not so easy

But with server gaming, no more hassle

Of course with CRA around, I think we should be very safe

 

[yy8888]

I also noticed some other machines near the banks of Cash Cove that seem to be similar just different theme. Why are those less popular? The pay structure and play features look the same. (I only glanced casually but didn't take a detailed look so please correct me if I am wrong.)

 

[QinShiHuang]

I agree. In the end it just boils down to personal luck and timing. In the long run we will definitely lose. Most of us will have the occasional winning streaks, and the best way is to discipline ourselves to know when we need to run and no longer keep trying until everything is gone.

The last part about paytable is true but it isn't complete. They usually tell us what the payout PER LINE is but don't reveal what is the max possible combination or how stacks are calculated especially in the example of the 5D machine I brought up earlier.

Definitely, slot machine is a losing game, the moment you press the 1st hit, you started to lose (unless 1st strike big, very rare lor)

And slot is a type of gaming, always must come back from losing in order to win, wierd right?

If unsure about the game, we can read thru the help menus, usually will explain slightly more detail

What I mean on the payout table is that, for eg, in Qin, the highest pay out is 5 x Great Wall 15,000cr, this casino must honour it

Than game rules stated that, we can bet up to 50 lines, so indirectly it telling us that as long symbols fall within that 50 lines, machine must pay

So in 5D, is reel power type of gaming, as long we place a bet that can trigger the reel power, any combination display must pay also

Like bro Kia have say, in our heart, looking at the screen everytime we spin, we know that certain combination definitely won't appear but is not impossible (unless game rule say so), why is that so?

Because there's no slot machine in this world will set to 100% lor

Don't underestimate this percentage payout, 1% different nia, the machine will work differently

 

[fl_slayer]

Hi bro Kia

Are you the one in checker bumuders
? So a person max bet in cash cove at rws. Well play and steady.

I also Heng Heng hit 5 scatter 10cents at 115 bet

 

[DutukLim]

Double posting

 

[DutukLim]

What you are saying doesn't support nor contradict what highroller777 is saying. What you are saying is simply some machines are more volatile than others. This point is not being disputed.

What I disagree with highroller777 is HOW the mechanics of slots machines works. From what I read, he is saying when you press the number, the amount is decided, followed by the "presentation" of the symbols. What I understand from other sites is that when we press the button, where the symbols appear first is determined before the amount is calculated. i.e. the RNG is "mapped" to the symbols on the virtual reels and it is not like when we press the button, the machine says we are suppose to win $100 and then chooses the appropriate symbols to appear.

I said too much. I should just say I agree with highroller777 and don't agree with what you said above.

This is a straight quote from The Wizard of Odds

It is my understanding that when the player presses the button to spin the reels the random numbers are drawn at that instant, which determine where the reels stop, and ultimately what you win

I don't know where you read somewhere about "the RNG is "mapped" to the symbols on the virtual reels". Show me and I will believe this (nonsense).

 

[yy8888]

I said too much. I should just say I agree with highroller777 and don't agree with what you said above.

This is a straight quote from The Wizard of Odds

It is my understanding that when the player presses the button to spin the reels the random numbers are drawn at that instant, which determine where the reels stop, and ultimately what you win

I don't know where you read somewhere about "the RNG is "mapped" to the symbols on the virtual reels". Show me and I will believe this (nonsense).

Sorry, but what you are saying is what I meant just in different words.

What I interpret highroller777 said is that when you press the button, what is chosen is the amount you win and once that amount is determined, the screen displays an arrangement of symbols to match that amount. What both you and I are saying is that when the button is pressed, the RNG stops at a random group of numbers. These numbers represent where the symbols land (hence the term mapping) and once that happens, the machine calculates the win amount. Does anyone else have difficulty understand what I am trying to say?

 

[yy8888]

Basically when the button is pressed on a slot machine, a random set of numbers is generated and this correlates to a position on the various reels. On the Wizard of Odds, there are MANY examples of him showing examples of this and how he tries to calculate the odds of hitting certain payouts.

I quote him directly by cutting and paste -

"How They Work

Whether you're playing a 3-reel single-line game or a 5-reel 25-line game, the outcome of every bet is ultimately determined by random numbers. The game will choose one random number for each reel, map that number onto a position on the reel, stop the reel in the appointed place, and score whatever the outcome is. In other words, the outcome is predestined the moment you press the button; the rest is just for show. There are no hot and cold cycles; your odds are the same for every spin on a given machine."

Can you please tell me what you are reading differently from me? Even the word MAP is used here.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/ <<<< this is the link.

 

[highroller777]

I've read many articles too and here's my last bit, dont want to go into any flip flops.
In the old days slots were mechanical, hit a button, reels spin, symbols drop in place, matches the winning combination on the pay table and coins come out. Many would think that in this new PC age RNGs carry out that similar process. That's not the case, you hit button, win or no win result already decided, and win amount will be presented with by all the winning symbols according to pay table.
Aunties will hit screen and say aiya if only the last phoenix fall in last reel I get big one, 5x more. It's already decided you did not win 5x more, that's why the last phoenix did not fall in. If you are not deemed to get free spin, the scatters will be all over the place to irritate and provoke you into playing more for the next try. This program works in nano seconds you wont even notice.

 

[QinShiHuang]

Knowing how exactly a slot machine work still won't guarantee winning

Is still now to our guts feeling, whether we feel that the machine got to pay or not

RNG don't generate winning, it only generate various kind of combination

The percentage payout determine that winning, working hand in hand with the RNG

In US, anytime we could find a 95% payout machine, is clearly shown on the floor, but not here lor

Is just like buying TOTO, in order to strike 1st prize, the probability is lower

It work the same in slot, to get the highest payout, the probability is lower also

We share info, not to argue on that

A myth will forever remain as a myth no matter how we define it

 

[yy8888]

highroller777, I think we all agree that the outcome is decided once we press the button. Actually what you are saying isn't far from what is mentioned by most sites except the sequence of what you think happens. Basically, the symbols on the reels are "mapped" in such a way that for most combinations generated by the RNG to show a "near miss", i.e. like the example you stated where we think we could have hit that last phoenix. The outcome is already decided to be 4 phoenix when you press the button, and the last one will not fall, rather than you are going to win $X amount then it displays 4 phoenix which it was I assumed you were saying earlier.

As QinShiHuang has stated, I am just sharing info that I have gathered on other sites and hope to be clear and not to argue. It is not important on whether you choose to agree or not, as in the end, it is how you enjoy the games that matters

 

[DutukLim]

I've read many articles too and here's my last bit, dont want to go into any flip flops.
In the old days slots were mechanical, hit a button, reels spin, symbols drop in place, matches the winning combination on the pay table and coins come out. Many would think that in this new PC age RNGs carry out that similar process. That's not the case, you hit button, win or no win result already decided, and win amount will be presented with by all the winning symbols according to pay table.
Aunties will hit screen and say aiya if only the last phoenix fall in last reel I get big one, 5x more. It's already decided you did not win 5x more, that's why the last phoenix did not fall in. If you are not deemed to get free spin, the scatters will be all over the place to irritate and provoke you into playing more for the next try. This program works in nano seconds you wont even notice.

Yes, the spinning of the reel is just Entertainment.

 

[Kia0042]

Basically, what you all said above are not wrong. Slot result is control by RNG and payout is control by a payout chip. So, for those causal players, they may like to pick blindly as they solely play depend on luck, but a regular slot player like me, not only I need a little luck, but also need to know which are the machines that have higher payout percentage. I wish to continue and extend my slot play fun time as long as possible, therefore, play within limit, with fun, with good mood and picking the right machine is more important than anything else.

Slot is random, all the slot experts say that, but the fact is we have never see a machine that just had a big hit continues to pay!
Do remember that those experts (mostly AngMo) call $1,000-$2,000 as big win, but for us (Asian), $1000-$2,000 is chicken feet (peanuts), we will continue to whack the machine, what we meant by big hit is something x20 their said amount which is $20,000~$30,000, will you play a 5K or 5D or FF machine that displays a feature game that paid a closed 500,000credits ($25,000)? I doubt you will, even if you will, I doubt you will stay long with that machine.

 

[Kia0042]

Hi bro Kia

Are you the one in checker bumuders
? So a person max bet in cash cove at rws. Well play and steady.

I also Heng Heng hit 5 scatter 10cents at 115 bet

You meant 125 bet, izzit, CC where got 115 bet one?
Ok, nevermind, I am certainly not a bermuda person, I hate Bermuda with slipper where ppl like to say, don't look down a person wearing Bermuda with slipper, he may be driving a Menz or Bmw. Sorry not my type, such believe are for ppl who are still living in those days where slot machines play single line, I wear appropriate wear when visiting certain venue, this is a basic respect to myself and others.

Btw, I don't like to max bet on CC because 500cr bet on 2cts demon which is $10 per spin get audiences behind me which make me feel very irritating, so I prefer to bet min but on higher demon, especially 50cts demon which is $12.50 per spin and catches no one attention.

 

[QinShiHuang]

I also noticed some other machines near the banks of Cash Cove that seem to be similar just different theme. Why are those less popular? The pay structure and play features look the same. (I only glanced casually but didn't take a detailed look so please correct me if I am wrong.)

Maybe you are talking about the clone type of machine?

Like Landlord is actually the clone of Qin, but I just don't like to play on Landlord lor

Especially in Sg, everybody now talking about CC, where got time to play other type of game

 

[QinShiHuang]

Basically, what you all said above are not wrong. Slot result is control by RNG and payout is control by a payout chip. So, for those causal players, they may like to pick blindly as they solely play depend on luck, but a regular slot player like me, not only I need a little luck, but also need to know which are the machines that have higher payout percentage. I wish to continue and extend my slot play fun time as long as possible, therefore, play within limit, with fun, with good mood and picking the right machine is more important than anything else.

Slot is random, all the slot experts say that, but the fact is we have never see a machine that just had a big hit continues to pay!
Do remember that those experts (mostly AngMo) call $1,000-$2,000 as big win, but for us (Asian), $1000-$2,000 is chicken feet (peanuts), we will continue to whack the machine, what we meant by big hit is something x20 their said amount which is $20,000~$30,000, will you play a 5K or 5D or FF machine that displays a feature game that paid a closed 500,000credits ($25,000)? I doubt you will, even if you will, I doubt you will stay long with that machine.

Everyday watching their so call "big win" in YouTube always make me laugh

But according to their country law, anything above $1k must be hand pay in order to pay certain taxes I think

That's why, their ambition also not so high when playing slot, I do read up some of their forum also, can find many useful facts from there

As for us, many time we will encounter this situation, after losing and losing, finally big one came, recover, sometime even with winning, than most of us will decided to cash out and run

But, in fact, sometime not knowingly, we have just let go a hot machine where it just started to pay out

Of course, there's also no guarantee, if continue to whack, it will pay out again

 

[yy8888]

Everyday watching their so call "big win" in YouTube always make me laugh

But according to their country law, anything above $1k must be hand pay in order to pay certain taxes I think

That's why, their ambition also not so high when playing slot, I do read up some of their forum also, can find many useful facts from there

As for us, many time we will encounter this situation, after losing and losing, finally big one came, recover, sometime even with winning, than most of us will decided to cash out and run

But, in fact, sometime not knowingly, we have just let go a hot machine where it just started to pay out

Of course, there's also no guarantee, if continue to whack, it will pay out again

I think the tax law on casino winnings in the US is silly. Most of the time we are getting negative returns in the long run anyway... to tax on winnings above $1k is like rubbing salt to the wound. Lucky we don't have such laws here