Chitchat Sinkie Prettyboy Reservist Aloysius Pang Seriously Injured In NZ While Fucking Around With Howitzer! Guess Whether He Uplorry! Boss Sam Please Help!

[Ralders]

Sinkees should be roused up to be angry and direct the anger at the government, the PAP and its supporters. People like John Tan should be harassed and spit on.

If u read carefully between his lines John purpose is only to stir and make this forum more active.

 

[winnipegjets]

I believe family may have rejected mindef explanation.

The MINDEF press conference was to CMA and sow seeds that the fatal accident was caused by the deceased. That's why MINDEF's action is so sickening. The deceased body was not even on home soil and MINDEF started its PR offensive. It was definitely offensive to the family and all sinkees who have to serve.

 

[winnipegjets]

At least Tin Pei Ling and hubby (I believe the one next to her) were there to pay their last respect. Yes, those unrepentant Oppie supporters and Sinkie traitors here will never appreciate but will instead turn the table to say that after all, the wake is being held in her constituency, and hence, her duty to do so. But Aljunied is just next door. Do I see LTK or even Sylvia, or maybe it's too early to comment now?

The PAPpies are there to show face ...do they care? If they care, then they should defend the family against MINDEF's insinuation that the accident was caused by the deceased.

 

[winnipegjets]

If u read carefully between his lines John purpose is only to stir and make this forum more active.

It is okay ...Leong Sam deserves to make some money. This is the cheapest entertainment we can get in SINKapore.

 

[winnipegjets]

When your wife friend migrated to Canada? SG qualifications are not recognized here as equivalent. Have to take exams then apply to train in residency.

Anyway I worked with Dr Teo Li Tserng at SGH GS back in 2003. SARS period. We were fellow MOs. He is a good chap.

Crush injuries can be difficult because you cant really tell how badly the organ or tissue is damaged till later. Especially if they are internally organs. They might not be bleeding and dont have like obvious cuts or tears to repair.

It could be why things played out that way. Aloysius could have seemed stable. But as time went on there was more necrosis that declared itself.

Fracture ribs are usually not fixed with hardware. It is possible there were no other fractures if the crush injury was to his chest and upper abdomen.

Pulmonary contusion is another notorious trauma injury. Eg patient is hit by a car. Initial chest x Ray's look normal. Then later on you see a whiteout picture. Pulmonary edema is widespread an failure ensues.

There is also the element of shock. Medical definition of shock. With more necrosis there may also have sepsis. Operations subsequently might have been to excise neurotic bowel and other tissue to reduce the necrotizing burden for the patient. It could have become too extensive by the 2nd or 3rd day so they knew it was a lost cause. Multi organ failure.

It is also why they send Li Tserng a trauma surgeon. Cos there wasn't anything specific to repair or fix per se. It also wasn't a case of ballistic or shrapnel that needed removing. Multiple organs. All crushed. It isn't something surgery can fix.

Surgeons mostly do wok like cutting out tumors respecting segments of bowel. Patching perforated ulcers. Removing gallbladders. Connecting artery to artery vein to vein eg in transplants.

You cannot cut or burn your way to repair a crushed organ.

Aloysius could hav ben saved if they could have stabilized him and then get him heart lungs liver kidneys transplant. It would still be a massive heroic effort.

Would it have made a difference if Pang was treated in the NZ hospital earlier? From accident to arrival of chopper, it was 110 min. Don't know how long was the flight to the hospital from the SAF camp.

 

[eatshitndie]

Then in war how? Reservist supposed to know how to repair dunno how to repair?

Who was the senior mechanic here? Aloysius or that other guy?

as war machines becum more technologically sophisticated and computerized, a professional tech on 6.9-year contract being paid $6.9k a month is more dependable, more sexperienced, and better trained at handling these modernized weapons during 696-point service, repair, and maintenance, much like an aircraft technician. saf aircraft techs have to sign 6(.9)-year contracts minimum and they are usually poly grads with basics in engineering, mechanics, hydraulics, and electronic systems. don’t see why these bulky, chunky but highly technical machines should be relegated to reservist techs who only show up once a year and for less than 6.9 weeks. we’re talking troubleshooting (no pun intended), diagnostics, finding root causes, repairs. not occasional field fix as is required for all mechanized combat personnel to know basics about fixing their weapons of war. this is more than a basic fix. in war, little to no time for servicemen to find root causes in the field. replace it, abandon it or tow it back to depot for engineers from manufacturer to diagnose it and do rca. same for submarines and ships. too complex and sophisticated for ict personnel.

 

[eatshitndie]

The PAPpies are there to show face ...do they care? If they care, then they should defend the family against MINDEF's insinuation that the accident was caused by the deceased.

all you care about is to shame the pappies. this tragic accident has absolutely nothing to do with pappies. how many times have ns men being crushed by a primus barrel inside the chassis since the deployment of the primus? if it’s flawed, many techs would have been crushed. what next? luxury lounge with sofa, love seat, coffee table, and extra leg and torso room in both turret and chassis for 69 techs to talk cock sing song inside? you’re the kind of sinkie that gravitates other sinkies to continue voting for pappies....simply because they find you absurb, unreasonable, vengeful, and fixated with very narrow thinking. so narrow that skinny torso can still get crushed and others better siam.

 

[nayr69sg]

Crazy sinkies

 

[winners]

all you care about is to shame the pappies. this tragic accident has absolutely nothing to do with pappies. how many times have ns men being crushed by a primus barrel inside the chassis since the deployment of the primus? if it’s flawed, many techs would have been crushed. what next? luxury lounge with sofa, love seat, coffee table, and extra leg and torso room in both turret and chassis for 69 techs to talk cock sing song inside? you’re the kind of sinkie that gravitates other sinkies to continue voting for pappies....simply because they find you absurb, unreasonable, vengeful, and fixated with very narrow thinking. so narrow that skinny torso can still get crushed and others better siam.

Agree. This winnipegjets is totally ridiculous, out of point and out of focus. The focus is to ensure that MINDEF truly wakes up from this incident and revises what is required to prevent a similar recurrence. There had been 0 fatality during the 4 years prior to 2016 whilst 4 fatalities had occurred since then. Apart from the 1 with the heatstroke case (which I would say is nobody's at fault), the other 3 were all as a result of human errors. Complacency must have set in. They'll need a thorough review of their training curriculum and exercises so as to prevent the next fatality. This is the more important concern to be discussed in this thread and not like that crazy winnipegjets, who does nothing, but only to whine continuously against the PAP in all his posts. I would like to ask him 1 question: Even, if tomorrow the Oppies were to take over, does it mean that the NS will be abolished?

 

[eatshitndie]

Agree. This winnipegjets is totally ridiculous, out of point and out of focus. The focus is to ensure that MINDEF truly wakes up from this incident and revises what is required to prevent a similar recurrence. There had been 0 fatality during the 4 years prior to 2016 whilst 4 fatalities had occurred since then. Apart from the 1 with the heatstroke case (which I would say is nobody's at fault), the other 3 were all as a result of human errors. Complacency must have set in. They'll need a thorough review of their training curriculum and exercises so as to prevent the next fatality. This is the more important concern to be discussed in this thread and not like that crazy winnipegjets, who does nothing, but only to whine continuously against the PAP in all his posts. I would like to ask him 1 question: Even, if tomorrow the Oppies were to take over, does it mean that the NS will be abolished?

and 2nd question. even if oppies take over and keep ns but reduce it to 6.9 months for full time and 6.9 years for reservists, will there be no injuries and deaths from ns?

 

[Kee Chew]

 

[Kee Chew]

CFC Aloysius Pang’s family cannot sue MINDEF even if they want to Correspondent 2019-01-25 Current Affairs After the unfortunate death of CFC Aloysius Pang during his reservist training in New Zealand, many netizens commented that perhaps his family should sue MINDEF for the death of their son. Unfortunately, Section 14 of the Government Proceeding Acts grants immunity to MINDEF or any of the SAF commanders or officers who may be involved with any deaths or injuries of NSmen of NSFs against any civil suits. Case of Private Dominique Sarron Lee In 2012, Private Dominique Sarron Lee, an NSF, collapsed with breathing difficulties during an exercise where excessive smoke grenades were used. He later died from an acute allergic reaction from inhaling zinc chloride fumes. His family sued his then-platoon-commander Captain and chief safety officer of the exercise after both were summarily tried and found guilty in military court for negligent performance of lawful order or duty. In 2016, the High Court dismissed the civil suit. Judicial Commissioner Kannan Ramesh ruled that the two officers qualified for immunity from being sued under Section 14 of the Government Proceedings Act (GPA). The statute states that as long as any deaths or injuries occurred during service, the Government or any SAF officer involved are not liable to be sued. “Whilst the tragedy behind this case, and the pain and anguish it has engendered, should be recognised, we should not forget that this case also engages a matter of great importance — the ability of the SAF and its members to safeguard our nation and her security without being burdened by the yoke of tortious civil liability,” the judge said. “The immunity accorded by (Section 14 of the GPA) does not mean that the SAF and its officers have carte blanche to act without sufficient regard to the safety of the young men and women whose lives are entrusted to them. Indeed, to the contrary, the fact that such immunity exists in and of itself imposes an even heavier moral burden on the SAF and its officers to exercise utmost care in looking after their young charges.” The judge added that whether a mishap was the result of negligence did not matter under the GPA. As long as the victim was on duty, immunity from a lawsuit applies. “I am entirely convinced that the SAF and all who command it fully recognise the weight of that burden, and do their very best to sedulously discharge it. However, despite the best intentions and careful and meticulous planning, mistakes can and unfortunately sometimes do happen,” he said. WP tried to change the law but failed In 2017, Workers' Party NCMP Dennis Tan then filed a motion in Parliament proposing that Section 14 of the GPA be amended to allow for certain situations of liability to be prosecuted in civil court — specifically during training and when safety protocols, procedures and regulations have been violated. This was in view of Private Lee case being thrown out by the High Court. Mr Tan stressed that he was not proposing a “blanket civil liability for accidents”, just for accidents during the “controlled environment” of training, where training protocols were violated. He also pointed out that the independence of the judicial process through the civil courts will also help to prevent any “undesired impression or accusation of cover-up and underscore that Mindef and the SAF are above board”. “This willingness to allow for legal scrutiny builds public confidence,” he added. The PAP-dominated Parliament however, rejected Mr Tan's call to amend the law so as to allow for civil liability in negligence against the government or a member of the armed forces for causing death or personal injury during training. Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said that the statute in question continues to serve a “vital” purpose — to allow soldiers to train realistically. He said that the legislative intention behind Section 14 was to ensure that the government and the members of the armed forces are shielded from liability to ensure effectiveness and decisiveness of the armed forces in training and operations, “without being burdened by the prospect of legal action” when training or having to “second guess” the consequences of every action. However, Minister Ng did note that those who have been reckless or negligent are not protected from criminal prosecution.

 

[Leongsam]

It is okay ...Leong Sam deserves to make some money. This is the cheapest entertainment we can get in SINKapore.

How exactly am I making money? Please explain.

 

[winners]

However, Minister Ng did note that those who have been reckless or negligent are not protected from criminal prosecution.

In the military court, they did prosecute and jailed those found negligent in past cases. The punishment meted out would have been similar if brought upon by civil suits. As for the annulment of civil suits against the military and government for service related deaths, isn't almost all other countries are practicing similarly?

 

[winners]

As I've said before, sometimes, it's just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. When I was in a SADA unit in Changi serving my NS, our CO had called for a Recall Exercise during 1 night. When the return roll out had reached the achieved target at 2.30am, he then declared a Stand Down out of goodwill so that those who have already reported can return home to rest. Unfortunately, there was this NSF guard who upon returning home, his fellow mate called to him and asked him to give him a lift to the camp for the reporting (since he hasn't turn up yet). Whilst on his way to pick up his fellow mate, he then met with a hit-and-run case on his motorcycle and was killed. He was the only son in the family. His fellow mate had to live with a whole life of remorse.

 

[JohnTan]

How exactly am I making money? Please explain.

I'm losing money. I'm paid only $1 per post. It's not enough to pay for parking and petrol.

 

[Leongsam]

I'm losing money. I'm paid only $1 per post. It's not enough to pay for parking and petrol.

Yes and your $1 is not shared with me either so guess how much I lose every month.

 

[winnipegjets]

CFC Aloysius Pang’s family cannot sue MINDEF even if they want to Correspondent 2019-01-25 Current Affairs After the unfortunate death of CFC Aloysius Pang during his reservist training in New Zealand, many netizens commented that perhaps his family should sue MINDEF for the death of their son. Unfortunately, Section 14 of the Government Proceeding Acts grants immunity to MINDEF or any of the SAF commanders or officers who may be involved with any deaths or injuries of NSmen of NSFs against any civil suits. Case of Private Dominique Sarron Lee In 2012, Private Dominique Sarron Lee, an NSF, collapsed with breathing difficulties during an exercise where excessive smoke grenades were used. He later died from an acute allergic reaction from inhaling zinc chloride fumes. His family sued his then-platoon-commander Captain and chief safety officer of the exercise after both were summarily tried and found guilty in military court for negligent performance of lawful order or duty. In 2016, the High Court dismissed the civil suit. Judicial Commissioner Kannan Ramesh ruled that the two officers qualified for immunity from being sued under Section 14 of the Government Proceedings Act (GPA). The statute states that as long as any deaths or injuries occurred during service, the Government or any SAF officer involved are not liable to be sued. “Whilst the tragedy behind this case, and the pain and anguish it has engendered, should be recognised, we should not forget that this case also engages a matter of great importance — the ability of the SAF and its members to safeguard our nation and her security without being burdened by the yoke of tortious civil liability,” the judge said. “The immunity accorded by (Section 14 of the GPA) does not mean that the SAF and its officers have carte blanche to act without sufficient regard to the safety of the young men and women whose lives are entrusted to them. Indeed, to the contrary, the fact that such immunity exists in and of itself imposes an even heavier moral burden on the SAF and its officers to exercise utmost care in looking after their young charges.” The judge added that whether a mishap was the result of negligence did not matter under the GPA. As long as the victim was on duty, immunity from a lawsuit applies. “I am entirely convinced that the SAF and all who command it fully recognise the weight of that burden, and do their very best to sedulously discharge it. However, despite the best intentions and careful and meticulous planning, mistakes can and unfortunately sometimes do happen,” he said. WP tried to change the law but failed In 2017, Workers' Party NCMP Dennis Tan then filed a motion in Parliament proposing that Section 14 of the GPA be amended to allow for certain situations of liability to be prosecuted in civil court — specifically during training and when safety protocols, procedures and regulations have been violated. This was in view of Private Lee case being thrown out by the High Court. Mr Tan stressed that he was not proposing a “blanket civil liability for accidents”, just for accidents during the “controlled environment” of training, where training protocols were violated. He also pointed out that the independence of the judicial process through the civil courts will also help to prevent any “undesired impression or accusation of cover-up and underscore that Mindef and the SAF are above board”. “This willingness to allow for legal scrutiny builds public confidence,” he added. The PAP-dominated Parliament however, rejected Mr Tan's call to amend the law so as to allow for civil liability in negligence against the government or a member of the armed forces for causing death or personal injury during training. Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen said that the statute in question continues to serve a “vital” purpose — to allow soldiers to train realistically. He said that the legislative intention behind Section 14 was to ensure that the government and the members of the armed forces are shielded from liability to ensure effectiveness and decisiveness of the armed forces in training and operations, “without being burdened by the prospect of legal action” when training or having to “second guess” the consequences of every action. However, Minister Ng did note that those who have been reckless or negligent are not protected from criminal prosecution.

Male sinkees must then boycott NS and reservist training. EVERYONE boycott until this law is removed. MINDEF must NOT be immune from civil suit.

 

[winnipegjets]

As I've said before, sometimes, it's just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. When I was in a SADA unit in Changi serving my NS, our CO had called for a Recall Exercise during 1 night. When the return roll out had reached the achieved target at 2.30am, he then declared a Stand Down out of goodwill so that those who have already reported can return home to rest. Unfortunately, there was this NSF guard who upon returning home, his fellow mate called to him and asked him to give him a lift to the camp for the reporting (since he hasn't turn up yet). Whilst on his way to pick up his fellow mate, he then met with a hit-and-run case on his motorcycle and was killed. He was the only son in the family. His fellow mate had to live with a whole life of remorse.

God must like the PAP. Why such mishaps do not happen to the PAP MPs? SINKapore needs to see a few PAP MPs die tragically every year...then Sinkees can rejoice and know that there is a god that looks after them.

 

[winnipegjets]

How exactly am I making money? Please explain.

I failed GP. So, cannot answer this question. Let me ask Mr. Google, okay.