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Chitchat Sinkie Lecturer Shares Hard Truths On Poly Graduates!

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As a parent of two kids, issues affecting Polytechnic students and graduates are important issues to me because, at this moment, I still lie behind the Rawlsian veil. I am concerned that if my children did not qualify for a seat in a local university and end up studying in a Polytechnic/ITE, they will face an uncertain future with the gig economy.

I think many parents have this fear but they are too ashamed to admit it because it hurts the feelings of 50% of their friends. Also, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with turning out average. It's only wrong in a place like Singapore.

I echoed my fears and shared my deepest concerns with a friend I know, whom in my opinion, is best positioned to address my fears because he is very successful in business, lectured in polytechnics, and are intimately close with the problem at hand. He is a straight-talking fellow.

In summary, the conversation left me more shaken than before.

I asked my friend, why not put two and two together and have Singapore's startup eco-system draw their recruits primarily from Polytechnics, specifically poly graduates who are not going into local universities, instead of waging a price war for local university graduates?

He said that most startups would be, privately, unwilling to hire the 80% of the polytechnics cohort. My friend commented that our education system sorts people out "far too well". I read this as a hint that people's motivations correlates well to their academic positions in the local education system.

The conversation then took an even darker turn...

My friend said that he can teach a polytechnic class and he will know exactly who is on their way towards a local university within one week of interacting with his students. My interpretation of this statement is that the polytechnic population is now bimodal.

20% of poly graduates are elites from the secondary school cohort who possibly wanted to avoid JC because they hate PE and CL2 lessons. These guys will go to a local university and become leaders of the future industry.


The government will then praise the polytechnic system for producing such corporate heroes and declare that we have an egalitarian meritocracy. But that still leaves 80% to be destined to join the gig economy after getting a diploma if they don't sign up for some private degree program.

I then asked what can the 80% be hired to do after we transform into a Smart City ? Are we being blinded to to the needs of the middle class given that the 20% of poly grads are becoming doctors and lawyers and seem to be doing better and better every year?

My friend did not answer the question directly despite being a really smart guy.

After the conversation took a detour into several other areas, he said that perhaps his average students can be hired to do admin work, but cautioned me that such work needs to be documented very carefully, or the work would not be done properly. Perhaps, he did not have confidence that the average poly graduate would have any initiative in the corporate world at all.

We did not come up with any clear solutions that day beyond the flippant idea that unhappy Singaporeans may make a bigger difference if they build a career in a second tier city in China like Chongqing or Australia.

For this Christmas, when we think about compassion and empathy, the general idea is for us to focus on the bottom 5-20%. This is why elites like to focus on charity work. Helping the disabled and homeless makes us feel so good and superior to the other Singaporeans who do less charity. Also, the story behind the struggling single mum who has to raise intellectually disabled children can easily make us cry.

There is no compassion or empathy for the median Singaporean because if you are median, there are an equal number of people who are both better and worse off than you. The story of the Singlish speaking dude who spending weekends LAN gaming at Parklane and nights fapping to anime porn is more likely to make us go "Meh."

But not thinking about giving a decent life for the average Singaporean is what can poison a good society. World events in 2017 have shown that Populism can upstage a great government once hope is lost. Populations can turn against free trade and capitalism even if it better for them over the long term.

Asa result of our apathy, the people who just want to see the world burn will grow stronger.

My friend said that even friending his students can be a negative experience. His students are the ones who spell Singaporeans "Sinkies" or "Sinkaporeans" and find every excuse blame the 70%.

It's very easy every Christmas to brag about the good we do for the unfortunate or the poor.

But it's much harder to admit that we did not spare a thought for the average fellow citizen who is facing the latest round of disruption from our transformation to a Smart City.

For this Christmas, I am admitting it right now.


http://treeofprosperity.blogspot.sg/2017/12/brutal-truths-about-polytechnic.html
 
in sg they are considered “average” but in sillycon valley poly grads who have prerequisites in hardware and software get snapped up by tech firms who will not only sponsor them for work visas but also continuing education. they can easily finish their cse and ee degrees in 2 to 3 years. it’s extremely competitive to enrol in cse and ee in u.s. unis but poly grads in tech studies have majority of the prereqs. moreover with both hw and sw backgrounds poly grads are good at machine coding which is virtually unheard of in uni education decades ago. engineers have to attend courses during careers to pick up machine coding specific to the hardware used and project requirements.

if sinkie parents just think of their kids within the sg box, of course nothing will be promising, not even degrees in sg as career growth paths are limited unless you’re pap porlumpar with high ecp and ministars as your mentors.
 
I personally knew quite a number of ITE, private diploma holders and external university degree holders who are now doing very well in their career. They are once students who did not score well in their past N, O & A Level examination.

Sometimes it is the career path that we had chosen and the determination to do well in life.

Merry Christmas :p
 
Hard Truth:
  • 1/3 of students in many NUS and NTU undergrad courses are not locally born.
  • When I spoke to the leader of the country about the education system being unforgiving to the fallen ones in every cohort (including those from JC who can't make it into NUS or NTU. I was told that our country needs a fair number of these fallen ones so that we can have higher educated insurance agents, property agents, taxi drivers, air stewardesses... ...
  • Turn out to be true, when I was driving Uber, 2/3 of those in my Uber chat group were from poly and JC.
 
Basically this shitty system decides on a persons future at around 16 years old when they take the O level results-which is given weightage at Poly/University admission.
A guy who does not do well at O level will be climbing up a slippery slope when he tries to enter a course of his choice in Poly and University. In NS he will most probably end up as a men (not commander) and feel further stigmatisation.
A system like that unfairly discriminates against most of the late developers/bloomers and socially/financially disadvantaged -so the voting results is ironical in may ways.
This of course is made worst by reserving places and giving scholarships to thousands of foreigners.
In the long term society will suffer as you can see even now the long string of cockups by our scholars and the underutilisation of local ''talents'' .
 
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Let me guess, this lecturer is a foreign talent? Because it sounded like he knows nut about what is happening in the market. Poly graduates are in fact, preferred over generic degrees when hiring employees without relevant experience.
 
this kind of reports, the friend does not exist.... just an imaginary character to suit someone's narrative
 
Let me guess, this lecturer is a foreign talent? Because it sounded like he knows nut about what is happening in the market. Poly graduates are in fact, preferred over generic degrees when hiring employees without relevant experience.

It's true. In my army days, the best NSF sergeants and officers who managed to get things done in the camp, are usually from poly.
 
It's true. In my army days, the best NSF sergeants and officers who managed to get things done in the camp, are usually from poly.
when i need someone to learn and work on the latest intel m series microprocessor for laptops, handhelds and wearable gadgets, the sinkie poly grad will be my first choice. they pick up on the learning curve so quick compared to generic degree holders who have no clue what the m series is designed for. they haven't started on a 16-bit register yet keep talking cock about 64-bit power. all talk no walk.
 
when i need someone to learn and work on the latest intel m series microprocessor for laptops, handhelds and wearable gadgets, the sinkie poly grad will be my first choice. they pick up on the learning curve so quick compared to generic degree holders who have no clue what the m series is designed for. they haven't started on a 16-bit register yet keep talking cock about 64-bit power. all talk no walk.

This dude was from a local poly.
https://sg.linkedin.com/in/major-chai-96523a72

When NCS screwed up, the director personally escorted him into the AMK premises to fix the servers, because there was no time to seek security clearance.
 
university graduates are better than polytechnic graduates. foreigners are better than locals.. PAP mindset and idiosyncrasy
 
Local Uni grads are book smart.
Poly grads are street smart.
Uni grads Angmo pai.
Poly grads Hokkien pai or Cheena Chongs.
Best are those who studied in foreign unis.
 
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