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This is an example of a lay person trying to read their CBC (complete blood count North America drs call it that) or FBC (full blood count as it is called in SG)

Yes Hb low. So Anemia.

What is the cause?

That's where the other indicators come in.

Sure we can look at MCV whether microcytic or macrocytic. And that can help differentiate what type of anemia. Eg iron deficiency anemia is usually microcytic hypochromic so low MCV and low MCHC. Megaloblastic anemia high MCV.

This patient sees her MCV high and thinks she has megaloblastic anemia! But only slightly high.

What about RDW? Hct? And Nucleated RBC?

The RDW is a measure of different sizes of RBC. Points to things like sickle cell and hemoglobinopathies. Thalassemia. Abnormal and normal RBCs.

Nucleated RBC points to immature RBCs. Bone marrow working hard to produce more RBCs. They come out immature with nucleus still. Sign that anemia been going on for some time and the BM is reacting accordingly to fix the anemia.

Hct? Low Hct means very "dilute" blood. Not much RBC in the same volume.

This patient Hct is quite low. What is likely from this CBC report is she has lost quite a bit of blood. RBC loss. Can be blood loss. Could also be some autoimmune cause eating up the RBCs (rare).

Body has not had time to respond. Hence the Nucleated RBC is low. Also fact that the MCV is roughly normal means this is acute anemia not chronic.

So I agree with @porcaputtana Likely blood loss. Menstrual? Maybe not. Cos I would expect MCV to be lower. GI bleed?

Would like to have Ferritin and Transferrin saturation

It has been a while since I even read a CBC report. But this is what I remember from experience.
 
This is an example of a lay person trying to read their CBC (complete blood count North America drs call it that) or FBC (full blood count as it is called in SG)

Yes Hb low. So Anemia.

What is the cause?

That's where the other indicators come in.

Sure we can look at MCV whether microcytic or macrocytic. And that can help differentiate what type of anemia. Eg iron deficiency anemia is usually microcytic hypochromic so low MCV and low MCHC. Megaloblastic anemia high MCV.

This patient sees her MCV high and thinks she has megaloblastic anemia! But only slightly high.

What about RDW? Hct? And Nucleated RBC?

The RDW is a measure of different sizes of RBC. Points to things like sickle cell and hemoglobinopathies. Thalassemia. Abnormal and normal RBCs.

Nucleated RBC points to immature RBCs. Bone marrow working hard to produce more RBCs. They come out immature with nucleus still. Sign that anemia been going on for some time and the BM is reacting accordingly to fix the anemia.

Hct? Low Hct means very "dilute" blood. Not much RBC in the same volume.

This patient Hct is quite low. What is likely from this CBC report is she has lost quite a bit of blood. RBC loss. Can be blood loss. Could also be some autoimmune cause eating up the RBCs (rare).

Body has not had time to respond. Hence the Nucleated RBC is low. Also fact that the MCV is roughly normal means this is acute anemia not chronic.

So I agree with @porcaputtana Likely blood loss. Menstrual? Maybe not. Cos I would expect MCV to be lower. GI bleed?

Would like to have Ferritin and Transferrin saturation

It has been a while since I even read a CBC report. But this is what I remember from experience.
No need for you to educate him
He’s already an expert. It’s from vaccination
Confirm
Summa cum laude Google Medical College
 
No need for you to educate him
He’s already an expert. It’s from vaccination
Confirm
Summa cum laude Google Medical College
Damn staright! :thumbsup:

Anyway, the idiot has ignored everyone who makes sense, so no worries, we can continue to point him out and fark him upside down, inside out so everyone else will know and he'll be none the wiser.

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This is an example of a lay person trying to read their CBC (complete blood count North America drs call it that) or FBC (full blood count as it is called in SG)

Yes Hb low. So Anemia.

What is the cause?

That's where the other indicators come in.

Sure we can look at MCV whether microcytic or macrocytic. And that can help differentiate what type of anemia. Eg iron deficiency anemia is usually microcytic hypochromic so low MCV and low MCHC. Megaloblastic anemia high MCV.

This patient sees her MCV high and thinks she has megaloblastic anemia! But only slightly high.

What about RDW? Hct? And Nucleated RBC?

The RDW is a measure of different sizes of RBC. Points to things like sickle cell and hemoglobinopathies. Thalassemia. Abnormal and normal RBCs.

Nucleated RBC points to immature RBCs. Bone marrow working hard to produce more RBCs. They come out immature with nucleus still. Sign that anemia been going on for some time and the BM is reacting accordingly to fix the anemia.

Hct? Low Hct means very "dilute" blood. Not much RBC in the same volume.

This patient Hct is quite low. What is likely from this CBC report is she has lost quite a bit of blood. RBC loss. Can be blood loss. Could also be some autoimmune cause eating up the RBCs (rare).

Body has not had time to respond. Hence the Nucleated RBC is low. Also fact that the MCV is roughly normal means this is acute anemia not chronic.

So I agree with @porcaputtana Likely blood loss. Menstrual? Maybe not. Cos I would expect MCV to be lower. GI bleed?

Would like to have Ferritin and Transferrin saturation

It has been a while since I even read a CBC report. But this is what I remember from experience.
My question to her is that why she go and take the vaccine in the first place?
 
9 in 10 have taken the vaccine in SG. if you want to have minimal Covid19 inconveniences like for job or just eating outside. you just have to take the vaccine.
 
My question to her is that why she go and take the vaccine in the first place?
becoz she had more cow sense than you and does not wish to be a burden to society

only an uneducated ill informed fuckwit like you will link her death to the vaccine
 
9 in 10 have taken the vaccine in SG. if you want to have minimal Covid19 inconveniences like for job or just eating outside. you just have to take the vaccine.
Later on suffer vaccine-injuries and death. i would rather have a problem-free body. People who are easily manipulated by such trivial will suffer in the long run. Anything that deals with the body need an understanding of science and biology and how it affects your body.
Giving you inconveniences and watching phua chu kang dancing is not science, it is manipulation and brainwashing against your will.
 
My question to her is that why she go and take the vaccine in the first place?
Yeah I also say. If dowan take vaccine dont take it.

One has to take responsiblity for their choices and actions.

Especially in Alberta nobody forces anyone.

But seriously I dont think the vaccine and her anemia are related. Unless she had an autoimmune response that created antibodies against her RBCs. Possible though.
 
Later on suffer vaccine-injuries and death. i would rather have a problem-free body. People who are easily manipulated by such trivial will suffer in the long run. Anything that deals with the body need an understanding of science and biology and how it affects your body.
Giving you inconveniences and watching phua chu kang dancing is not science, it is manipulation and brainwashing against your will.
I can certify you have absolutely zero understanding of science and biology by the garbage you write

I wager you can't even describe the life cycle of a caterpillar
 
Later on suffer vaccine-injuries and death. i would rather have a problem-free body. People who are easily manipulated by such trivial will suffer in the long run. Anything that deals with the body need an understanding of science and biology and how it affects your body.
Giving you inconveniences and watching phua chu kang dancing is not science, it is manipulation and brainwashing against your will.

the SG govt will implement more measures to make daily life more troublesome for the unvaccinated people. more people will give in and take the vaccine. no choice ?
 
Later on suffer vaccine-injuries and death. i would rather have a problem-free body. People who are easily manipulated by such trivial will suffer in the long run. Anything that deals with the body need an understanding of science and biology and how it affects your body.
Giving you inconveniences and watching phua chu kang dancing is not science, it is manipulation and brainwashing against your will.
Exactly. It is your body. You know your body better than anyone else. Better than your doctor.

No one should have more say to what you do with your body than yourself. Not your government not your doctor. Patient autonomy is sacred.

The job of your doctor is to provide you with as much information as possible so that you can decide for yourself.

The doctor has to provide all risks no matter how small.

And if you made a decision that resulted in bad outcome because the doctor did not provide information no matter how small the risk is, it is the doctor's fault.

https://www.cmpa-acpm.ca/en/advice-...-and-addressing-vaccine-hesitancy-and-refusal

Vaccinating: Doing it safely, and addressing vaccine hesitancy and refusal​

Girl receiving vaccine injection in left arm

Published: June 2021
The information in this article was correct at the time of publishing
21-08-E

Vaccines are valuable in preventing and controlling infectious diseases,1 and have saved countless lives.2 During the COVID-19 pandemic, the development and distribution of vaccines has been a major focus in the battle against the virus.
Physicians who provide vaccinations should be aware of their obligations, including giving patients, or their legal guardians, sufficient information about recommended vaccines so they can make informed decisions. The National Advisory Committee on Immunization is a helpful resource on recommended vaccines, including COVID-19 vaccines.3
While the value of vaccines is accepted by many people, some still debate their necessity, efficacy, and safety. This may present challenges for physicians who know a particular vaccine is indicated and appropriate, but the patient or the patient’s legal guardian is hesitant about or refuses the vaccine. Physicians should consider how to address vaccination hesitancy and refusal.
For more information specific to issues related to COVID-19 vaccines, see the CMPA COVID-19 Hub.

Discussing vaccines with patients and obtaining informed consent​

When physicians determine a specific vaccine would benefit a patient and recommend it, the clinician must obtain the patient’s or legal guardian’s informed consent before administering the vaccination. In most cases, the informed consent discussion might include:
  • benefits of the vaccine
  • risks of the vaccine (including material risks and uncommon risks with serious consequences, such as paralysis or death)
  • risks of the disease including complications
  • possible consequences of refusing the vaccine
  • relevant recommendations from authoritative groups, governments, provincial/territorial medical regulatory authorities (Colleges), and medical specialty associations and federations
  • need for follow up, for example if immunization requires a series of doses
  • any cost of the vaccine if it is not covered by the provincial or territorial health plan
If the patient (or the patient’s legal guardian) chooses to have the vaccine, physicians should inform them of common side effects and complications, and what to do if these occur. In the case of COVID-19 vaccines, for example, where the products were quickly deployed, there was an opportunity for disclosing that not all of the possible side effects of these products are known. (Regularly updated medico-legal information specific to COVID-19 vaccination may be found on the CMPA COVID-19 Hub..)

The need to document​

Once the informed consent discussion has taken place, the details of the discussion and the patient’s (or legal guardian’s) consent to the vaccine should be documented in the patient’s medical record and/or a designated provincial/territorial record. The consent process is more than completing a specific form; it is a conversation, as described previously. Any consent form the physician relies on should also be kept in the medical record and/or a designated provincial/territorial record.
The Public Health Agency of Canada’s Canadian Immunization Guide recommends that healthcare providers record vaccinations in the following: the immunization record held by the vaccine recipient (or legal guardian); the patient’s personal health record maintained by the healthcare provider who administered the vaccine; and the local provincial or territorial immunization registry, if one has been established.4
To help patients (or their guardians) manage their vaccinations, including keeping a record of vaccinations they’ve received, physicians may want to make them aware of resources such as those on the websites of Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, and Immunize Canada.

The need to follow up​

In some instances, adequate immunization requires a series of doses (such as certain COVID-19 vaccines). Before administering the first dose, physicians should talk with patients or legal guardians about the importance of obtaining all doses on the recommended immunization schedule. Physicians should be aware of the immunization schedules in their province or territory and discuss with patients any risks with delaying doses.5 It may be appropriate to have a system to follow up with patients who do not return for subsequent doses, and to document the steps taken and the response.

When patients or legal guardians are hesitant or refuse vaccinations​

While routine immunizations are recommended to prevent certain infectious diseases3,6 and most people accept routine vaccination, some still refuse or delay it for themselves or their children.7,8,9 Public health officials and studies are concerned that vaccine hesitancy and refusal will increase the risk of epidemics of vaccine-preventable illnesses.10,11,12
If patients (or legal guardians) are reluctant about a vaccine, physicians should explore and address the reasons for their reluctance, answer any questions to the best of their ability, and consider referring patients or guardians to other relevant resources for information.5 For example, physicians could direct hesitant parents to the Canadian Paediatric Society’s website (caringforkids.cps.ca
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), or to #ScienceUpFirst, a hashtag used by an organization of independent scientists to present science-based information through social media posts.
Physicians should be empathetic and respectful, and remind patients or guardians that their best interests (or those of their child) are the primary concern.5 Helpful articles13 and resources are available, such as the 2018 Practice Point from the Canadian Paediatric Society, "Working with vaccine-hesitant parents," which provides useful evidence-based approaches on how to communicate effectively.5
Physicians should make every effort to continue to care for patients in the existing doctor-patient relationship in accordance with current standards of care.14 For assistance with caring for patients who are reluctant about a vaccine, physicians should consult with their College and other organizations such as the Canadian Paediatric Society. For medico-legal questions, physicians should contact the CMPA.
Despite good explanations, parents and/or legal guardians may still refuse to consent to the vaccination of their children. Except in Québec, physicians should generally respect an informed decision by a child who they consider to be a mature minor and capable of understanding the risks of refusing the vaccination. In Québec, the law generally only permits children 14 years of age and older to consent to care.15 Physicians should document the wishes of the minor and the parent, if known, in the medical record along with the physician’s assessment of the child’s capacity to consent and understanding of the risks.15
If a vaccine is recommended, but refused, a detailed note of both the consent discussion and the refusal should be made in the medical record. The physician should also keep the lines of communication open for future discussions about immunization and consider directing the patient or legal guardian to a trusted source of reliable information.5
Physicians may be troubled if a patient refuses a vaccine solely for reasons of cost. The patient or legal guardian can be advised to contact their provincial/territorial health ministry on programs and assistance available for vaccinations.
In exceptional circumstances where a patient (or a patient’s legal guardian) has refused immunization, but the vaccine is medically appropriate and necessary to preserve the life or health of the child, it may be necessary to contact child protection agencies. For information on child protection agencies across Canada, physicians can refer to the Canadian Child Welfare Research Portal
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.16 Physicians may also wish to contact the CMPA for advice.

Questions on vaccine alternatives​

Patients (or legal guardians) may have questions about alternatives to routine vaccines, such as unproven homeopathic therapies.17 To respond appropriately, primary care physicians and those practising in related areas should stay up to date on relevant or common vaccines, their effectiveness, significant risks, and the risks if the diseases are not prevented. Physicians should be prepared to communicate clearly and professionally with patients or legal guardians on the matter and keep in mind that a healthcare provider’s advice generally has significant influence on decision-making for vaccines.5

Treating unvaccinated patients​

Physicians with unvaccinated patients should consider arranging their office to reduce any risks from these patients coming into contact with vulnerable patients, such as those with suppressed immune systems or those who have not yet received vaccinations. Scheduling appointments at different times of the day or week to treat each type of patient could be one approach. Physicians should encourage unvaccinated patients or their legal guardians to inform healthcare providers they come in contact with that they are not fully immunized. These steps are especially important in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The bottom line​

  • Tell patients or their legal guardians about the benefits and significant risks of recommended vaccines, and the risks if the disease is not prevented.
  • Have a robust informed consent discussion when recommending new vaccines, such as COVID-19/ vaccines.
  • Be familiar with your province’s or territory’s immunization schedules and legislation, and your College’s policies on vaccination.
  • Document the information you give patients and their responses in the medical record and/or designated provincial/territorial record (including their reasons for refusing the vaccine).
  • Document in the medical record the vaccines discussed with, refused by, or administered to patients.
  • Patients or legal guardians have the right to accept or refuse the vaccine. Be patient and empathetic to their needs and beliefs, and keep the lines of communication open.
  • Follow up with patients to complete the course of immunization, if required, and document the steps taken.
 
the SG govt will implement more measures to make daily life more troublesome for the unvaccinated people. more people will give in and take the vaccine. no choice ?
Always got choice.

It is price of choice sometimes not willing to pay.
 
Let's just wait for more deaths of vaxxed population. There is no way they can hide it. Then you see how fast they will demand PAP blood.
You should go find the last 5 years death numbers of Singapore that maybe you can have an idea
 
I can certify you have absolutely zero understanding of science and biology by the garbage you write

I wager you can't even describe the life cycle of a caterpillar
Ha! Ha! Good one. You had me rolling with laughter! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
the SG govt will implement more measures to make daily life more troublesome for the unvaccinated people. more people will give in and take the vaccine. no choice ?
Like I said, these measures are not science. You will suffer greatly on your health and body if you do not based your understanding on real true science.
If you so worry about restrictive measures, the protest against it. You are the people of this country and your right to say no to such measures.
 
Ha! Ha! Good one. You had me rolling with laughter! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

To be fair doctors and medical researchers have no idea how the body works either. We barely scratch the surface when it comes to our combined depth of knowledge of the human body.

In 50 years time we'll cringe at the treatments that are currently being administered for many ailments.... eg anti depressants, vaccines, cancer treatment, auto immune diseases etc the same way we now laugh at the concept of blood letting and the treatment of syphilis with mercury.
 
Always got choice.

It is price of choice sometimes not willing to pay.

With the Delta variant the idea that vaccines help protect the vulnerable no longer holds water because it has been shown that vaxxed individuals have just as high a viral load and are just as likely to transmit covid as an unvaxxed person.

All vaccines are currently doing is reducing the probability of a vaccinated person ending dying or hospitalised. It does nothing for those he/she comes in contact with.

Vaccine passports are pointless. The unvaxxed they pose no more a risk to others than the vaxxed so what is the point of restricting their movement?
 
With the Delta variant the idea that vaccines help protect the vulnerable no longer holds water because it has been shown that vaxxed individuals have just as high a viral load and are just as likely to transmit covid as an unvaxxed person.

All vaccines are currently doing is reducing the probability of a vaccinated person ending dying or hospitalised. It does nothing for those he/she comes in contact with.

Vaccine passports are pointless. The unvaxxed they pose no more a risk to others than the vaxxed so what is the point of restricting their movement?
Yes. That's all that the vaccines do - prevent death and serious illness. That's the clincher. It's enough to downgrade COVID to an endemic disease so we (the vaccinated) can all open up and live normally again. So the risk is minimised right? Whether the virus is transmitted or not will not be on the table for discussion anymore if COVID is downgraded like the common flu with vaccination. Eventually, all of us will get the virus.

The unvaxxed if infected poses another problem altogether. They will have a higher likelihood of dying or end up hospitalised which will burden the healthcare system. That's the whole point of restricting their movement - not because they share the same viral load as the vaccinated, but because they ARE the problem. Kapish?
 
The unvaxxed if infected poses another problem altogether. They will have a higher likelihood of dying or end up hospitalised which will burden the healthcare system. That's the whole point of restricting their movement - not because they share the same viral load as the vaccinated, but because they ARE the problem. Kapish?

Yes they are a burden but segragating them is not going to make them less of a burden all it will do is strengthen their resolve.
 
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