museum display of coolie opium den in sg, 19th century.
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Singapore was not fishing village but opium house owned by Angmoh Brit in 1900s
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At that time, the Brits were the late comers to this part of the world, the Spaniards, the Portugese, and the Dutch were here before them. Britain was also at that time, the world's leading superpower, well into the industrial age while the others were already in gradual decline. The Japs simply did what the European powers did before, and got into the land grab as well. It was the struggle between all these powers that led to the world wars, and the colonial powers beating the crap out of each other that the African, Asian, and Latin-American nations were able to free themselves from colonial rule after ww2.
On the part of the Opium War, opium was already fashionable in China before that period and was available only to the wealthy, but the Brits made it cheap and available to the common masses by cultivating the crop in India, and flooded the market in China. For them, it was the only item they could sell in China, who before that, didn't need to trade with the Brits, who had nothing the Chinese wanted, or needed. Opium was lucrative. It is also worth mentioning that the Nemesis, the first steel hulled battleship in the world, used by Britain in the war, was fitted and upgraded in Singapore. There were opium dens in Singapore too, my Ah Kong was permitted to buy and smoke opium. China's internal history the last three hundred years were bloody and disastrous, the way I see it was because after thousands of years of dynastic style rule, the system was to be replaced by something modern and in touch with the rest of the world, and revolutions was the only way to tear down the establishment,. If not for the world wars, China would have been carved up and split among the powers of the day. Well, that didn't happen, and it came down to a power struggle between the Communist Party, and the Nationalistic Party. Now, everybody just wants the money.
Cheers!
On the part of the Opium War, opium was already fashionable in China before that period and was available only to the wealthy, but the Brits made it cheap and available to the common masses by cultivating the crop in India, and flooded the market in China. For them, it was the only item they could sell in China, who before that, didn't need to trade with the Brits, who had nothing the Chinese wanted, or needed. Opium was lucrative. It is also worth mentioning that the Nemesis, the first steel hulled battleship in the world, used by Britain in the war, was fitted and upgraded in Singapore. There were opium dens in Singapore too, my Ah Kong was permitted to buy and smoke opium. China's internal history the last three hundred years were bloody and disastrous, the way I see it was because after thousands of years of dynastic style rule, the system was to be replaced by something modern and in touch with the rest of the world, and revolutions was the only way to tear down the establishment,. If not for the world wars, China would have been carved up and split among the powers of the day. Well, that didn't happen, and it came down to a power struggle between the Communist Party, and the Nationalistic Party. Now, everybody just wants the money.
Cheers!
I remember in the late 70s/early 80s, the PAP hanged an old grandmother for running an opium den. What else can she do? Become a samsui por? When she was younger, it was not illegal to run an opuim den. but kena caught and hanged. I think she was over 70 years old. Probably the last opuim den operator to be executed in singapore.
What has opium to do with the Brit Industrial revolution started around 1750?
The British need to find big money quick and easy to fund their new industrialized revolution and opium was a new lucrative product to sell at that time and Brit go for it.
I believe this is an important history for China and SE Asians people how the Brit used Chinese for cheap money to fund their industrialized revolution.
From 1750 to 1800s to 1900s up to WW2 1941 were Brit industrialize revolution expansion and make Chinese a poor nation of drug addicts is a double edge sword for the Brit. They prospers and expand their industry at the expense of the China and SEA into a drug addicts countries.
Where did LKY find funds to build Singapore as it is today? Human slavery to the Whites and your CPF? Angmoh got their 2nd serving again from LKY.
The Brit used drug money to fund their new industrialized invention, steam engines. A lot of money was needed to fund research and technologies and they needed millions of dollars.
Where to find massive human population to consume opium. The target market was Chinese and China, Japan and SE Asians countries, of course.
When the Brit advanced their technologies they make Chinese their victims to fund their inventions.
Singapore was built from drug money, opium. NOT from Brit who could spare some change from their industrialized revolution economy to build Singapore.
The British need to find big money quick and easy to fund their new industrialized revolution and opium was a new lucrative product to sell at that time and Brit go for it.
I believe this is an important history for China and SE Asians people how the Brit used Chinese for cheap money to fund their industrialized revolution.
From 1750 to 1800s to 1900s up to WW2 1941 were Brit industrialize revolution expansion and make Chinese a poor nation of drug addicts is a double edge sword for the Brit. They prospers and expand their industry at the expense of the China and SEA into a drug addicts countries.
Where did LKY find funds to build Singapore as it is today? Human slavery to the Whites and your CPF? Angmoh got their 2nd serving again from LKY.
The Brit used drug money to fund their new industrialized invention, steam engines. A lot of money was needed to fund research and technologies and they needed millions of dollars.
Where to find massive human population to consume opium. The target market was Chinese and China, Japan and SE Asians countries, of course.
When the Brit advanced their technologies they make Chinese their victims to fund their inventions.
Singapore was built from drug money, opium. NOT from Brit who could spare some change from their industrialized revolution economy to build Singapore.
Chinks are treated like shit by everybody not just the white skinned folks.Even the Japanese and Koreans abuse them whenever they could.even Sikh Indians are a caste above them as can be seen in historical movies where an establishment says no dogs and chinks allowed. it is nobody's fault that chinks have no self respect for themselves and would lower and degrade each other just to get a foot on top and they love the abuse from their dictators and dynastic overlords.TS needs to stop being a hypocritical chauvinist Anglophobe and embrace
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What you have written roughly can tell you are not Chink. Don't for a moment think Chinks are low cast people. The past 100 years China and Chinese have suffered enough from Brit opium trades.
Go get your fact right and get fuck off to England where you come from.
Go get your fact right and get fuck off to England where you come from.
yes, opium dens were still running during the 70s. my grandma told me opium was a way of life for many immigrant chinese to sg pre-war, and that "way of life" continued into the late 70s, when the gov started clamping down on it hard. at the boat quay in the 70s, one could still see boatman smoking opium openly.
What has opium to do with the Brit Industrial Revolution? I don't know, you tell me.
As I explained already, there was NOTHING the Chinese needed or wanted from the Brits, they were happy with whatever they had, and trade and balance of payment was not in Britain's favour pre-opium war period. Opium was already fashionable recreational past time for upper class Chinese, and privateer merchants saw a huge market when they could obtain opium at a very cheap price from India (the province of Patna and Benares to be exact). So they started moving the drug into China. It was a hit. It sold extremely well. Soon, almost everybody in China was smoking opium and the Qing rulers outlawed the drug. But the drug was too luring to the Chinese masses, and the money was too good for the merchants (er. smugglers), so the trade continued. An incident of confiscation led the smugglers to feedback the news to the British courts that "Crown assets" were destroyed by Chinese authorities which sparked the war. This opened the field for Britain to coerced China to open trading ports to the world which was closed for international trade. The war was a clash of cultures, opium was the catalyst which ignited that episode.
Yes, it was an important lesson for China, and the world. An expensive lesson for China for being aloof and isolationist. She will not repeat that mistake of the past. Every Chinese student is well-versed in that subject.
Singapore benefitted greatly from British expansion as well as wealth and investment in the region. Among many things, Singapore was a centre of research and studies for rubber whose demand greatly increased as a result of industrialization brought about by the revolution. The Singapore Botanical Gardens was where the rubber tree was planted and studied after being brought from Brazil.
The continued modernisation and growth of Singapore is a continuum of events in the past. The PAP simply took the baton from the earlier rulers and ran with it. Where there is peace, there is progress. That is natural.
Suggest you shrug off your hatred of your ex-colonial rulers. That generation is gone, and the events of ww2 have reshaped human thinking and attitudes.
Cheers!
As I explained already, there was NOTHING the Chinese needed or wanted from the Brits, they were happy with whatever they had, and trade and balance of payment was not in Britain's favour pre-opium war period. Opium was already fashionable recreational past time for upper class Chinese, and privateer merchants saw a huge market when they could obtain opium at a very cheap price from India (the province of Patna and Benares to be exact). So they started moving the drug into China. It was a hit. It sold extremely well. Soon, almost everybody in China was smoking opium and the Qing rulers outlawed the drug. But the drug was too luring to the Chinese masses, and the money was too good for the merchants (er. smugglers), so the trade continued. An incident of confiscation led the smugglers to feedback the news to the British courts that "Crown assets" were destroyed by Chinese authorities which sparked the war. This opened the field for Britain to coerced China to open trading ports to the world which was closed for international trade. The war was a clash of cultures, opium was the catalyst which ignited that episode.
Yes, it was an important lesson for China, and the world. An expensive lesson for China for being aloof and isolationist. She will not repeat that mistake of the past. Every Chinese student is well-versed in that subject.
Singapore benefitted greatly from British expansion as well as wealth and investment in the region. Among many things, Singapore was a centre of research and studies for rubber whose demand greatly increased as a result of industrialization brought about by the revolution. The Singapore Botanical Gardens was where the rubber tree was planted and studied after being brought from Brazil.
The continued modernisation and growth of Singapore is a continuum of events in the past. The PAP simply took the baton from the earlier rulers and ran with it. Where there is peace, there is progress. That is natural.
Suggest you shrug off your hatred of your ex-colonial rulers. That generation is gone, and the events of ww2 have reshaped human thinking and attitudes.
Cheers!
I followed your argument here. It was not hatred bearing subject on the Pommie Brit.
I am trying to understand why the late comers Brit entry into China and SEA region would like to monopolize opium trades and are they linked to their industrial revolution period?
Look at the time line is a good assessment. In around 1750 the Brit started the industrialized revolution. A small island people would be able to find money to support and fund their inventions? Where would the Brit find funds and lots of money to start keep manage their new industrial inventions and leading to invention of electricity?
Where would the Brit know about fire power, combustion technology, if not from the Chinese idea and invention of fire crackers?
I look into the this book
https://www.google.com.au/search?so...history+of+the+world+in+1000+objects&tbm=shop
This book showed the timeline of Brit inventions from 1736 up to 1866 and beyond. Certainly a lot of money were need to fund one invention to another inventions and where to find money in large scale?
Industrial products are manufacturing and required factories and these industries are NOT easy to fund from own economy alone. Borrowing from European countries or China? The Brit were not only inventing domestic products for household consumption but war weapons leading to WW1 and WW2.
WW1 was weapon warfare on gun fire power and WW2 was aerial bombing, and these war weapons inventions require a lot of money to fund?
Would a small island people in the NW corner of Europe be interest to make alot of money from drugs? They know drugs can destroyed people and a nation but why they do it?
Hypothetically speaking, if Chinese imported 1 million ton of drugs into Europe every year in 1800s, without remorse for the white people, why would China want to do it? Why would Chinese want to drug the white European and Brit in exchange for large sum of money? Of course something is happening in China to expand their new industrial products that required huge funding. Make sense?
Also which part of the world can you find rich and wealthy people to indulged in leisure drugs in the 1800s? Only wealthy countries like China would be a good target for drug consumption in small quantities. But the Brit did it a super huge quantities as if they need to find a lot of money to do something back home?
As such was their industrialized revolution make them unhuman towards the Far East Asian people and China? Make sense?
I am trying to understand why the late comers Brit entry into China and SEA region would like to monopolize opium trades and are they linked to their industrial revolution period?
Look at the time line is a good assessment. In around 1750 the Brit started the industrialized revolution. A small island people would be able to find money to support and fund their inventions? Where would the Brit find funds and lots of money to start keep manage their new industrial inventions and leading to invention of electricity?
Where would the Brit know about fire power, combustion technology, if not from the Chinese idea and invention of fire crackers?
I look into the this book
https://www.google.com.au/search?so...history+of+the+world+in+1000+objects&tbm=shop
This book showed the timeline of Brit inventions from 1736 up to 1866 and beyond. Certainly a lot of money were need to fund one invention to another inventions and where to find money in large scale?
Industrial products are manufacturing and required factories and these industries are NOT easy to fund from own economy alone. Borrowing from European countries or China? The Brit were not only inventing domestic products for household consumption but war weapons leading to WW1 and WW2.
WW1 was weapon warfare on gun fire power and WW2 was aerial bombing, and these war weapons inventions require a lot of money to fund?
Would a small island people in the NW corner of Europe be interest to make alot of money from drugs? They know drugs can destroyed people and a nation but why they do it?
Hypothetically speaking, if Chinese imported 1 million ton of drugs into Europe every year in 1800s, without remorse for the white people, why would China want to do it? Why would Chinese want to drug the white European and Brit in exchange for large sum of money? Of course something is happening in China to expand their new industrial products that required huge funding. Make sense?
Also which part of the world can you find rich and wealthy people to indulged in leisure drugs in the 1800s? Only wealthy countries like China would be a good target for drug consumption in small quantities. But the Brit did it a super huge quantities as if they need to find a lot of money to do something back home?
As such was their industrialized revolution make them unhuman towards the Far East Asian people and China? Make sense?
I am no historian, my knowledge of this is from casual reading of articles and documentaries. At that time, Britain was an expansionist "empire," reaching out to where her navies could reach. The goal was wealth. Their East India Company led this endeavour. They were here for the spices (pepper, nutmeg, anise, etc.) and from China, they wanted tea and porcelain. China was a wealthy nation then. Comfortable, advanced (by regional standards then), and comparatively, inward looking. The Middle Kingdom was on top of the "world" as they knew it. Everyone else was backward, barbaric, evil, and uncultured. Britain and China were two opposite cultures. The Brits wanted trade, they exchanged ambassadors with other countries, set standards for facilitating trade and commerce. The Chinese court, didn't need this. They expected tribute from visitors, respect from envoys. Emissaries from foreign lands were required to "kowtow" to the emperor. Britain already had parliament in operation, China was mired in a feudal, medieval system. For the traders, Opium was what they could sell to the Chinese peoples The Qing Court wasn't happy with the activity an policed the issue. To the traders, that meant monetary losses, so they got their country's military involved to protect what they manipulated to the British house their "nation's" merchandise. The outcome of a war between Britain and China of that day was predictable. China was outgunned, outmatched, besides also seeing internal divisions and rebellion from their southern provinces. Britain knew that if they won the war, China would be forced to open-up their ports to allow foreigners to trade, which benefitted Britain economically. They weren't bothered with China's internal affairs, only money. That was the explanation to the Opium War.
Money earned from opium was large, but the wealth of the British empire came from many sources, which together amounted to much much bigger that opium alone. I don't have the figures to show, but one can imagine the wealth from resources in India, Burma, Malaysia (East and West) and Africa, and Latin America to be tremendously vast.
Britain was part of Europe when the Industrial Revolution began. Before this, Europe underwent the Reformation, Renaissance, Age of Inquiring, Age of Reasoning, which expanded knowledge and advanced the sciences, philosophy, and society overall. European exploration and expansion began, which Britain was also a part of. Africa was the first foreign continent they arrived, and exploited. Followed by Asia, and the Americas. This, among other things, was where their wealth came from. We all know too well what became of these societies. Africa, the Americas, South-Asia, all whacked and destroyed, their social fabric removed, some have been unable to be restored. If not for the powers fighting among themselves and the world wars, China would have seen that same fate.
As for China, she is (or was) a big power. And for the time she was powerful, she never invaded another country for reason of conquest. Nobody can change history, and China is never going to let that part of history repeat itself. She may have her flaws (as every country has theirs), but she will not allow herself to become weak and backward where she can help it. It is good to see China getting involved with the international community, and doing a part to contribute to humanity, seeing herself as an equal with other nations. Internally, as with every other nation, she still has to deal with internal problems, social issues, but at least on the international stage, gunboat policy is no longer an option for other to exercise when dealing with her.
Just interesting to watch how (or whether) reunification with Taiwan will take place.
Cheers!
Money earned from opium was large, but the wealth of the British empire came from many sources, which together amounted to much much bigger that opium alone. I don't have the figures to show, but one can imagine the wealth from resources in India, Burma, Malaysia (East and West) and Africa, and Latin America to be tremendously vast.
Britain was part of Europe when the Industrial Revolution began. Before this, Europe underwent the Reformation, Renaissance, Age of Inquiring, Age of Reasoning, which expanded knowledge and advanced the sciences, philosophy, and society overall. European exploration and expansion began, which Britain was also a part of. Africa was the first foreign continent they arrived, and exploited. Followed by Asia, and the Americas. This, among other things, was where their wealth came from. We all know too well what became of these societies. Africa, the Americas, South-Asia, all whacked and destroyed, their social fabric removed, some have been unable to be restored. If not for the powers fighting among themselves and the world wars, China would have seen that same fate.
As for China, she is (or was) a big power. And for the time she was powerful, she never invaded another country for reason of conquest. Nobody can change history, and China is never going to let that part of history repeat itself. She may have her flaws (as every country has theirs), but she will not allow herself to become weak and backward where she can help it. It is good to see China getting involved with the international community, and doing a part to contribute to humanity, seeing herself as an equal with other nations. Internally, as with every other nation, she still has to deal with internal problems, social issues, but at least on the international stage, gunboat policy is no longer an option for other to exercise when dealing with her.
Just interesting to watch how (or whether) reunification with Taiwan will take place.
Cheers!
The Chinese already traded with African coastal nations as far back as in the early 1300s. When Admiral Cheng Ho fleet sailed pass tip of S Africa they discovered more lands and go beyond America. Chinese already ruled the waves, not the Brit. Brit earned and copied from the Chinese.
They went to India for spices and China for technology products like fire crackers, papers and much more. Brit learned how to mass farming from the Chinese, make quality clothes in silk from Chinese equipment.
Not until they find that they think they have find new inventions, unsustainable ones, that required massive amount of monies to fund it that they look for easy money to fund it. Different countries has their own ways of ruling their countries and back then was Empire and kingdoms. England also wre ruled by monarch Queen Victoria, King James and so on going back to the Romans Empire in 25BC. China was no different.
China and other nations do not understand the Brit new industrial products and Not ready for Chinese markets and consumption. Would you understand how steam engines works? How to fire their guns from barrel? It take time to learn new Brit technological products and to buy them. Beside their revolutionize products required massive infrastructure to get it works which many countries do not want to invest or buy it? And always breakdown and need repairs. Then get obsoletes, rusted and failed badly become a bad investment. Would Chinese want unreliable products? Would you think Chinese are dumb to buy from unreliable producers Brit products that keep breaking down?
The Brit may go bankrupt if cannot find buyers for their knowledge based products. Besides their inventions need massive manufacturing plants, cheap labours, factories and transport costs that could brankrupt their nation if they cannot find buyers.
China would be their biggest markets for Brit new industrial products but it take times for Chinese to need them. The Brit cant wait and need huge source of money back home and turns to opium to solve their money problems and target China.
If you see one crab invention would you tell the inventor to come back to you in 10 years time maybe you would consider by then.
China and Brit could be prosperous nations today if the Brit shared their technologies with China. Chinese built very cheap and like today Chinese lead in manufacturing.
Not to drug the Chinese and send China to live under poverty in 1990s?
They went to India for spices and China for technology products like fire crackers, papers and much more. Brit learned how to mass farming from the Chinese, make quality clothes in silk from Chinese equipment.
Not until they find that they think they have find new inventions, unsustainable ones, that required massive amount of monies to fund it that they look for easy money to fund it. Different countries has their own ways of ruling their countries and back then was Empire and kingdoms. England also wre ruled by monarch Queen Victoria, King James and so on going back to the Romans Empire in 25BC. China was no different.
China and other nations do not understand the Brit new industrial products and Not ready for Chinese markets and consumption. Would you understand how steam engines works? How to fire their guns from barrel? It take time to learn new Brit technological products and to buy them. Beside their revolutionize products required massive infrastructure to get it works which many countries do not want to invest or buy it? And always breakdown and need repairs. Then get obsoletes, rusted and failed badly become a bad investment. Would Chinese want unreliable products? Would you think Chinese are dumb to buy from unreliable producers Brit products that keep breaking down?
The Brit may go bankrupt if cannot find buyers for their knowledge based products. Besides their inventions need massive manufacturing plants, cheap labours, factories and transport costs that could brankrupt their nation if they cannot find buyers.
China would be their biggest markets for Brit new industrial products but it take times for Chinese to need them. The Brit cant wait and need huge source of money back home and turns to opium to solve their money problems and target China.
If you see one crab invention would you tell the inventor to come back to you in 10 years time maybe you would consider by then.
China and Brit could be prosperous nations today if the Brit shared their technologies with China. Chinese built very cheap and like today Chinese lead in manufacturing.
Not to drug the Chinese and send China to live under poverty in 1990s?
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Yes. China was at the time of Admiral Cheng Ho, an advanced country. There is evidence that they even sailed to, and discovered the Americas before Columbus. But at the height of Cheng Ho's voyages, the Imperial Court decided to cut expenses on naval expedition, and the country focused on internal issues, one of which was further bolstering the Great Wall. The imperial decision took China on an ethnocentric perception, and she closed her mind to foreign ideas, which were starting to pick up steam in Europe. There was a big difference the impression made by China to the west from the time of Marco Polo, to the time when the East India Company prodded onto East Asian soil. Most countries in the world today abide by the UN Laws on Human Rights, so we will not see the type of behaviour of pre WW2 times (at least on the scale seen at that time), so I'd safely say that the world is a more civilized place than it was. If there is any rivalry between countries, hopefully they can compete at the Olympic Games or World Cup, and hopefully, senseless killings can be avoided. Countries will need to cooperate to find solutions to modern issues like epidemic outbreaks, food and water shortages, pollution, etc.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Now we can move on to Chairman Mao problems.
Mao inherited a poor peasants China and drug addicted Chinese thanks to the British the drug lords. China was recovering from their loss and rebuilding China from the ground upwards again in the late 1850s to 1900s up to the Jap Occupation. The wealthy Chinese still smoked opium and Mao send them to be farmers resolved once and for all eradicate opium from China.
Eradiate 6 millions Chinese opium smokers and Europeans influences of the post opium war maybe the right cause for China 斩草除根 for Mao. Was the Jap right about free China and SEA from the British drug Lords?
The Japanese Opium Experience
Japan was, as far as I know, the only colonial power to execute faithfully the principles of opium suppression set forth at the Hague Convention in 1912, for Japan had been fighting opium addiction, at home and in her colonies, for decades. Japan persistently argued that drug trafficking was not only immoral but, in the long run, unprofitable.
One of Japan’s top priorities after taking Taiwan in 1895 was to end opium use. European smugglers were impotent against the Japanese’ efficient police organization and tight surveillance and investigation. Opium-related deaths in Taiwan plummeted from 215,476 in 1908 to 38,000 annually by 1923. Japan also suppressed opium smuggling into Korea.
At the Second Opium Conference, Mr. Sugimura of Japan complained that it “was beneath a nation’s dignity to derive so much revenue from opium,” and he urged Western powers to view the problem not just from a humanitarian viewpoint but from an economic one, noting that in Taiwan,
“Even from the economic and financial point of view, a sacrifice of revenue from opium was in reality a gain, since the productive power of the nation increased.”
http://www.amoymagic.com/OpiumWar.htm
Mao inherited a poor peasants China and drug addicted Chinese thanks to the British the drug lords. China was recovering from their loss and rebuilding China from the ground upwards again in the late 1850s to 1900s up to the Jap Occupation. The wealthy Chinese still smoked opium and Mao send them to be farmers resolved once and for all eradicate opium from China.
Eradiate 6 millions Chinese opium smokers and Europeans influences of the post opium war maybe the right cause for China 斩草除根 for Mao. Was the Jap right about free China and SEA from the British drug Lords?
The Japanese Opium Experience
Japan was, as far as I know, the only colonial power to execute faithfully the principles of opium suppression set forth at the Hague Convention in 1912, for Japan had been fighting opium addiction, at home and in her colonies, for decades. Japan persistently argued that drug trafficking was not only immoral but, in the long run, unprofitable.
One of Japan’s top priorities after taking Taiwan in 1895 was to end opium use. European smugglers were impotent against the Japanese’ efficient police organization and tight surveillance and investigation. Opium-related deaths in Taiwan plummeted from 215,476 in 1908 to 38,000 annually by 1923. Japan also suppressed opium smuggling into Korea.
At the Second Opium Conference, Mr. Sugimura of Japan complained that it “was beneath a nation’s dignity to derive so much revenue from opium,” and he urged Western powers to view the problem not just from a humanitarian viewpoint but from an economic one, noting that in Taiwan,
“Even from the economic and financial point of view, a sacrifice of revenue from opium was in reality a gain, since the productive power of the nation increased.”
http://www.amoymagic.com/OpiumWar.htm
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Honestly though, what fish is there to catch around Singapore that could be sold?
What do the Chinese understand from this British invention in the 1800? Will it works in China climate and terrains?
Watt rotative engine - 1800
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...LB-O7mgWFtYHwCQ&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1371&bih=618
Stephenson rocket - 1829
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...9JoK-mgXY74HABg&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1371&bih=618
Gatling gun - 1862
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...2H4W5mAXgh4D4CA&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1371&bih=618
No reason for Chinese to buy this guns from the Brit if they cannot make own ammunitions. Will it rust and will it works?
Would the Chinese Emperor understand will it work for his country?
Do the Chinese understand these Brit knowledge based invention products?
Was the Emperor right to say he don't need British industrial products? Maybe Chinese are more interested in their barbie dolls and domestic household products like soaps, cutlery and their angmoh charbor tua neh neh. Maybe come back in 10 years time the Chinese is ready to invest in British industrial products?
The telegraph - 1856
The problems of the cable voyages, however, were to continue. Sheer determination had got the cable across the ocean, but there had been faults in its manufacture and it had been damaged by the cable laying machinery. The final blow came when the engineer Wildman Whitehouse insisted on using high voltage instruments which further damaged the cable. It stopped working on 20th October 1858.
http://www.theiet.org/resources/library/archives/featured/trans-cable1858.cfm
Failed investment like this will crash the Brit economy and where will they find easy money to continue this project? Poisoning the Chinese for quick money, drug? Drug money to pour in to continue this failed investment?
This telegraph may interest the Chinese Emperor but was China ready for it? Was it reliable and what was the investment costs like?
With the Brit control the communication will the Chinese be interested? It was alright to connect Brit to America as both are English people but Brit to China raised many issues of national security and communications and where morse codes are not available in Chinese language.
Many questions to address before the Chinese is ready to accept the Westerner technologies in the 1800s?
All of the above, where would the Westerners and Brit find easy money to fund their industrial technological investments?
For Chinese, these are costly investment and will it work for China? When China give HK to the Brit did the Brit lay cables to HK?
Back to the same question. Did the Brit target China, and SEA Straight Settlements and Singapore for easy drug money to fund their industrial products with opium?
New Markets
As China tightened her borders, Britain pinned her hopes on her other Asian colonies. Opium production in the Straits Settlements (Singapore, Penang, Malacca, Labuan) rose from 353,938 pounds in 1916 to 370,688 pounds in 1920, in spite of Britain’s promise at the Hague Convention to limit opium sales. In 1918, 60% of Britain’s Asian income was derived from opium sales. In 1925, opium accounted for 48% of Singapore’s revenue, and 100% of North Borneo’s. At the 1923 Opium Conference, Mr. Campbell admitted that the British Indian government was determined to maintain high levels of both internal consumption and export, and that they,
“controlled the production, distribution, sale, possession – every possible practical question which could arise in connection with opium—in the strictest possible manner—They had built up a complicated and highly efficient administrative system which started from the time the poppy seed was put into the ground, and did not relinquish control of the drug until it was in the hands of the consumers, or till it was actually exported.”
http://www.amoymagic.com/OpiumWar.htm
Watt rotative engine - 1800
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...LB-O7mgWFtYHwCQ&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1371&bih=618
Stephenson rocket - 1829
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...9JoK-mgXY74HABg&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1371&bih=618
Gatling gun - 1862
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...2H4W5mAXgh4D4CA&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1371&bih=618
No reason for Chinese to buy this guns from the Brit if they cannot make own ammunitions. Will it rust and will it works?
Would the Chinese Emperor understand will it work for his country?
Do the Chinese understand these Brit knowledge based invention products?
Was the Emperor right to say he don't need British industrial products? Maybe Chinese are more interested in their barbie dolls and domestic household products like soaps, cutlery and their angmoh charbor tua neh neh. Maybe come back in 10 years time the Chinese is ready to invest in British industrial products?
The telegraph - 1856
The problems of the cable voyages, however, were to continue. Sheer determination had got the cable across the ocean, but there had been faults in its manufacture and it had been damaged by the cable laying machinery. The final blow came when the engineer Wildman Whitehouse insisted on using high voltage instruments which further damaged the cable. It stopped working on 20th October 1858.
http://www.theiet.org/resources/library/archives/featured/trans-cable1858.cfm
Failed investment like this will crash the Brit economy and where will they find easy money to continue this project? Poisoning the Chinese for quick money, drug? Drug money to pour in to continue this failed investment?
This telegraph may interest the Chinese Emperor but was China ready for it? Was it reliable and what was the investment costs like?
With the Brit control the communication will the Chinese be interested? It was alright to connect Brit to America as both are English people but Brit to China raised many issues of national security and communications and where morse codes are not available in Chinese language.
Many questions to address before the Chinese is ready to accept the Westerner technologies in the 1800s?
All of the above, where would the Westerners and Brit find easy money to fund their industrial technological investments?
For Chinese, these are costly investment and will it work for China? When China give HK to the Brit did the Brit lay cables to HK?
Back to the same question. Did the Brit target China, and SEA Straight Settlements and Singapore for easy drug money to fund their industrial products with opium?
New Markets
As China tightened her borders, Britain pinned her hopes on her other Asian colonies. Opium production in the Straits Settlements (Singapore, Penang, Malacca, Labuan) rose from 353,938 pounds in 1916 to 370,688 pounds in 1920, in spite of Britain’s promise at the Hague Convention to limit opium sales. In 1918, 60% of Britain’s Asian income was derived from opium sales. In 1925, opium accounted for 48% of Singapore’s revenue, and 100% of North Borneo’s. At the 1923 Opium Conference, Mr. Campbell admitted that the British Indian government was determined to maintain high levels of both internal consumption and export, and that they,
“controlled the production, distribution, sale, possession – every possible practical question which could arise in connection with opium—in the strictest possible manner—They had built up a complicated and highly efficient administrative system which started from the time the poppy seed was put into the ground, and did not relinquish control of the drug until it was in the hands of the consumers, or till it was actually exported.”
http://www.amoymagic.com/OpiumWar.htm
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