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Was Iron Dome defense system actually built for Singapore?

Paris-based online magazine reports that Singapore helped finance the Iron Dome anti-rocket system.

Haaretz Online
September 27, 2010
By Yossi Melman

A PARIS-BASED online magazine covering intelligence and security issues this week called Singapore one of the most important customers of Israel's defense industry, laying bare the active, though secret, relationship between Israel and Singapore that began more than 40 years ago - a statement that comes after years in which Israel censored all local articles on the subject.

Intelligence Online, which is published in English on a bimonthly basis, states that the Southeast Asian island state helped finance the Iron Dome system designed by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to intercept short-range missiles and rockets, in exchange for which it is supposed to receive several Iron Dome systems to deploy on its territory.

Even more interesting is the possibility the article raises that Iron Dome was designed first and foremost for the benefit of Singapore - not for the protection of Sderot and the southern communities in Israel that suffered from Qassam rocket attacks and mortar fire for seven years and are still suffering (though Iron Dome is not capable of intercepting mortar shells).

Israeli media have previously hinted at this, but the Defense Ministry has vehemently denied it.

The suspicions were bolstered by the fact that after the system was developed and one battery had been deployed as an Israel Defense Forces base, it turned out that the Defense Ministry had no budget for additional batteries. In that case, why was there a need to develop a system for which there is no budget and which the IDF does not intend to deploy?

According to Intelligence Online, which focuses on arms transactions between countries and corporations and on appointments of intelligence personnel and their clandestine activity, the Iron Dome transaction is the latest between Israel and Singapore.

The Web site, whose articles are available only to paid subscribers, has thousands of readers, including Israelis.

Iron Dome, which its developers said was tested successfully a few months ago, as Israeli media have previously reported, cost roughly $250 million to develop.

One battery, whose production cost is about $50 million, has already been deployed at a base in the south of the country, but so far has not been readied for operational purposes and has not yet been activated.

The anti-aircraft division of the Israel Air Force, which is responsible for operating Iron Dome, is training teams at a base in the north.

They will be operating the system in Israel, with the aim of intercepting Qassam and Katyusha rockets up to a distance of 40 kilometers.

Vulcan-Phalanx: cheaper and more accessible

Intelligence Online also repeats an argument published in recent years in Israel to the effect that if the Defense Ministry had really wanted to protect the residents of the south quickly and cheaply, it could have acquired a cheaper and more accessible defense system than Iron Dome: the batteries of the Vulcan-Phalanx cannon system manufactured by Raytheon.

The land-based version of the batteries, called Centurion, are deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq, where they are used to protect American and NATO forces.

Although Defense Minister Ehud Barak has told Haaretz several times that Israel will acquire the Vulcan-Phalanx system, that has yet to happen.

In other words, the Defense Ministry may have given Rafael a development budget as a way of positioning the project as an Israeli military system that is ostensibly being used by the IDF but is really aimed at improving Israel's chances of selling it to Singapore and other countries.

Small country, hostile population

The cooperation between Israel and Singapore rests on the two small countries' shared sense of being under threat, since both are surrounded by a hostile Muslim population and want advanced weapons systems to maintain a qualitative advantage over their neighbors.

The Intelligence Online article argues that the fight against fundamentalist Islamic terror over the past decade has increased the cooperation between the two countries, as well as their sense of a shared destiny. In recent years, Singapore has confronted threats by Jemaah Islamiyah, a terrorist group that operates in Southeast Asia.

The island state, a neighbor of Indonesia and Malaysia, has arrested dozens of the group's operatives and exposed plans to attack the Israeli, American and Australian embassies, along with ships from those countries. One of Singapore's main sources of income is the Port of Singapore, which claims to be the busiest port in the world.

According to the article, immediately after Singapore declared its independence in 1965 it asked Israel to help it establish an army. IDF officers including Rehavam Ze'evi (who became a right-wing cabinet member assassinated in 2001) and Benjamin Ben-Eliezer (now the industry, trade and labor minister) were sent to Singapore to head large delegations of military advisers, and helped build the army on the model of the IDF. Israeli military representatives have been active since then at the Israeli Embassy in Singapore, which was opened in 1969.

One of the issues the IDF representatives deal with is promoting large arms deals. Transactions mentioned in the article include Singapore's purchase of Barak surface-to-air missiles manufactured by Israel Aerospace Industries and Israel's upgrading of fighter planes belonging to Singapore's air force.

In addition, Rafael supplied drones for naval missions and Israel's Elbit Systems supplied its Hermes drone.

Intelligence Online also says there is naval cooperation between the two countries, and notes that the commander of Israel's navy, Admiral Eli Marom, had previously represented Israel in Singapore.

 

[Papsmearer]

the level of ISraeli - SIngapore miliary co-operation is much deeper than this article has alluded to.

 

[jimmyfallon]

Oh do tell us!!!!!!!!

 

[jimmyfallon]

Sorry bout the size

 

[Papsmearer]

This is really nothing new. In fact the writer of this article failed to mention that there is really no need for Israel to go thru all this subterfuge of developing a weapons system and than not intending to use it. If the Iron Dome was really intended to be developed for S'pore, and I don;t doubt that it was, Rafael could have easily transferred the personnel and knowledge to ST Engineering and build the Iron Dome here. Call it a joint venture between rafael and ST, and no one would bother. If the IDf wants to order it, good, if not, than its a S'pore weapon. At least St Eng can claim total ownership a nd exclsuive marketing rights for the Iron DOme.

Its not like the first time this has happened. The SAR-21 was also developed by the Israelis and ordered in token amounts by them as the Tavor. Otherwise, used largely by the SAF. The PAP has shown itself to be the whore that it is, and bend over backwards to let other countries rape us financially. e.g Build up Changi Naval base to take USN carriers at our expense, same with the Iron Dome now owned by Rafael.

 

[wikiphile]

This is really nothing new. In fact the writer of this article failed to mention that there is really no need for Israel to go thru all this subterfuge of developing a weapons system and than not intending to use it. If the Iron Dome was really intended to be developed for S'pore, and I don;t doubt that it was, Rafael could have easily transferred the personnel and knowledge to ST Engineering and build the Iron Dome here. Call it a joint venture between rafael and ST, and no one would bother. If the IDf wants to order it, good, if not, than its a S'pore weapon. At least St Eng can claim total ownership a nd exclsuive marketing rights for the Iron DOme.

Its not like the first time this has happened. The SAR-21 was also developed by the Israelis and ordered in token amounts by them as the Tavor. Otherwise, used largely by the SAF. The PAP has shown itself to be the whore that it is, and bend over backwards to let other countries rape us financially. e.g Build up Changi Naval base to take USN carriers at our expense, same with the Iron Dome now owned by Rafael.

IF ST wants to claim ownership for a lemon, let them then, its not the first time SAF have wasted money on anything

 

[Papsmearer]

IF ST wants to claim ownership for a lemon, let them then, its not the first time SAF have wasted money on anything

Its not been proven to be a lemon yet. And the article mentions the Phalanx system which is really short range last ditch defence system. They almost need a mix of Patriot,Iron Dome, and Phalanx. I guess The peper generals are scared of the Malaysian MLRS systems.

 

[wikiphile]

Its not been proven to be a lemon yet. And the article mentions the Phalanx system which is really short range last ditch defence system. They almost need a mix of Patriot,Iron Dome, and Phalanx. I guess The peper generals are scared of the Malaysian MLRS systems.

This is high tech and expensive asymmetrical warfare if one ever need an example. The intercepting ordnance always has to be high tech, pin point accurate and sufficient to intercept incoming projectiles.

The patriot iself was never intended for the role of an 'interceptor' but more of a SAM system. The MLRS can shoot a volley of relatively inexpensive missiles at us and all we can do is either

1) take cover and withstand the blow

or

2) field something high tech to counter it.

Since these gadgets costs so much, it probably make sense to only deploy them at high-value targets (i.e. MINDEF, Istana, Parliament House etc etc)with wide gaps in between. So who are we really protecting?

 

[Papsmearer]

This is high tech and expensive asymmetrical warfare if one ever need an example. The intercepting ordnance always has to be high tech, pin point accurate and sufficient to intercept incoming projectiles.

The patriot iself was never intended for the role of an 'interceptor' but more of a SAM system. The MLRS can shoot a volley of relatively inexpensive missiles at us and all we can do is either

1) take cover and withstand the blow

or

2) field something high tech to counter it.

Since these gadgets costs so much, it probably make sense to only deploy them at high-value targets (i.e. MINDEF, Istana, Parliament House etc etc)with wide gaps in between. So who are we really protecting?

We have counter battery MLRS system. That is why there is a mention of the Phalanx. In the right position, it will be able to pick up the incoming MLRS.
We had a complete SAM umbrella around the whole of S'pore once, but now, the MLRS and arty rounds are a different matter. Very hard to defend against them. The technology may not be there yet, but maybe the Iron Dome will prove the technology is here. But if its really so good, the jews will be buying tons of them.

 

[wikiphile]

We have counter battery MLRS system. That is why there is a mention of the Phalanx. In the right position, it will be able to pick up the incoming MLRS.
We had a complete SAM umbrella around the whole of S'pore once, but now, the MLRS and arty rounds are a different matter. Very hard to defend against them. The technology may not be there yet, but maybe the Iron Dome will prove the technology is here. But if its really so good, the jews will be buying tons of them.

The only way to prove that it works is by actual combat testing, the Jews will show us how, they get shelled/rocketed at every now and then on a regular basis

 

[Papsmearer]

The only way to prove that it works is by actual combat testing, the Jews will show us how, they get shelled/rocketed at every now and then on a regular basis

Yeah, the SAF should just transfer some money to Hamas and ask them to fire a few Qassem rockets and see whether Iron DOme works If it doesn't, its not too late to ask for theirmoney back.

 

[wikiphile]

Yeah, the SAF should just transfer some money to Hamas and ask them to fire a few Qassem rockets and see whether Iron DOme works If it doesn't, its not too late to ask for theirmoney back.

Don't need SAF lah, the Qud Force will be more than happy to supply them with lotsa of rockets for free