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Singapore in 2034 World Cup. Can make it or not?

High-tempo, possession-based football => futsal
5ft 7 in => futsal
The situation in Singapore (especially during the circuit breaker): more Sinkies are playing futsal than football
 
We already knew what will happen in the end when the govt steps into any sports. It gonna end bad.
 
I worry if we ask bernard tan for a football he gives us a basketball :biggrin:
In sinkieland our society being a footballer as career dont lead you to anywhere
No parents will clap hands to full support kids to be footballer
Usually are those ah bangs flood the sleague
At 17, they joined and later you found them in ah bangs gang fight take drugs beat wife hanky panky with stepdau.....:biggrin:
 
Jermaine Pennant.
How much we gave to him? :biggrin:
Do what?
 
Some basics:

a) if they ever conducted post mortem on why previous efforts failed, they have not been shared.
b) the time-specific targets happen to co-incide with tournaments. Share the time line, with specifics of targets at each check point.
c) announcing the Roar programme a week or so before FAS election shows that die die, the new committee will have to run with
the ball, regardless of whether they believe in the Roar.
d) how come no feedback ah, for a major issue involving tons of money and efforts on parents and kids?
 
Jermaine Pennant.
How much we gave to him? :biggrin:
Do what?

Maintaining a trophy wife is not cheap.
Eating roti prata. At Raffles Hotel.
Eating chicken porridge. At Mandarin Hotel.
Eating char kway teow. At Shangri-La Hotel.


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Commentary: Can football deliver Singapore its sporting pride?
The recently announced dream of Singapore qualifying for the 2034 World Cup is welcomed but John Duerden questions if it is both necessary and realistic.
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File photo of the Singapore football team at the National Stadium.
(Photo: Matthew Mohan)
John Duerden
By John Duerden

24 Mar 2021

SINGAPORE: On Mar 8, Singapore’s Minister for Culture, Community and Youth Edwin Tong revealed the latest plan to take the country into the upper echelons of international football.

Is it necessary to have Singapore performing at the highest level of world football? Or are we just content with the strong grassroots football scene in the country and limit our supporting passion to our favourite European clubs and World Cup teams?

Speaking of the plans in Parliament, the Minister said that football’s mass appeal and high participation means that it helps bring Singaporeans from diverse backgrounds together.

“A national team that can perform at the highest levels affirms Singapore’s multiple pathways of success, and is a source of national pride.”

But, is it a realistic target? If it isn’t, would it be a better use of time and resources to look to other sports that have a better chance of becoming a source of national pride? Why not swimming since it has already put Singapore on the world map through Joseph Schooling’s Olympic winning race?

WHY IT’S DIFFERENT THIS TIME

The World Cup is the ultimate goal and Minister Tong has said that the 2034 tournament is a realistic objective for the Lions.

There seems to be more of a plan and structure this time compared to past projects such as Goal 2010 - implemented in 1998 with the aim of getting the national team to the 2010 World Cup, which did not materialise.

Things are different now, compared to 1998. The plan, as announced by then Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong, was to emulate the successful World Cup-winning French national team built on talented immigrants.

That strategy unfortunately didn’t deliver.

From 2001 to 2008, there were 12 naturalised citizens brought in to play for Singapore but they were either too old – like Aleksandar Duric who only made his Singapore debut at 37 – or others, like Brazilian Egmar Goncalves and Croatian Mirko Grabovac, who were hugely successful in the S-League but who were far from the world-class talents needed.

Instead, Singapore has since embarked on a more organic approach.

The first step was to overhaul the physical infrastructure and the ecosystem. New state-of-the-art stadiums, such as the Our Tampines Hub Stadium, were built.

The S-League made way for a more professional and better-managed Singapore Premier League (SPL) in 2018, which had higher remuneration for players and sponsorship deals.

Singapore internationals playing in the SPL can now earn between S$5,000 to S$10,000 monthly, attracting more locals as professional footballers.

The local game also now sees more business leaders and corporations bring in their commercial acumen and private money, such as Sea Group and its founder Forrest Li, and insurance giant AIA, which is the title sponsor of the SPL.

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AIA Singapore CEO Wong Sze Keed (left) and Football Association of Singapore (FAS) president Lim Kia Tong at the Singapore Premier League sponsorship signing ceremony on Tuesday, Mar 2, 2021. (Photo: Football Association of Singapore)

Foreign teams like Albirex Niigata also send their satellite teams to increase the competition in local football.

Equally important is that the approach to talent development has changed. To support Goal 2010, a National Football Academy was set-up in 2000.

While this step was seemingly in the right direction, it meant that the focus of creating world-class players was concentrated solely on this group of players who also almost exclusively formed the nucleus of national age-group teams.

It shrunk the pool of talent for Singapore, which already has a small talent base to begin with.

With the 2034 aim now, there is a wider approach as the project aims to implement a national curriculum that schools, academies and private football clubs will have access to.

There will be an increase in the quantity and quality of coaches to teach this curriculum as well as a new elite youth league that will give the best prospects more chances to play against talented opposition.

We also see more Singaporeans competing overseas now. By 1998, only a handful of Singaporean footballers – most notably Fandi Ahmad and V Sundramoorthy – had made a mark overseas.

Now that figure has swelled to double-digits as Singaporeans ply their trade in Indonesia, India, Malaysia, Thailand and even Europe – crucial exposure for local footballers.

IS IT REALISTIC?

With a more professional ecosystem and a wider talent base, there are better chances for Singapore now than in 2010.

Moreover, the 2034 World Cup will offer 48 spots compared to 32, which will give Asia eight automatic places in the tournament compared to four.

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Former FAS vice-president Edwin Tong with Singapore football icon Fandi Ahmad. (File photo: TODAY)

Yet, few will expect Singapore - currently ranked 33rd in Asia and 158th in the world – to leapfrog continental powerhouses such as Japan, South Korea, Australia, Iran, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, or even second-tier teams like China and North Korea, to take their places.

Realistically, the Asian Cup should be a prior target before any talk of a World Cup. Singapore has not appeared at the continental tournament, now featuring 24 teams, since 1984. Qualification for the 2023, 2027 or 2031 Asian Cups should be priority.

Installing a national curriculum, improving the standard of coaching and encouraging more youth participation is a worthy goal in its own right. Yet if Singapore wants sport to become a source of national pride then football is not its best bet.

The problem is that a team sport like football doesn’t just need one Schooling in swimming, a Benedict Tan in sailing, a Ronald Susilo in badminton or a Li Jiawei in table-tennis. It needs a whole team of good talented players.

Producing one or two top-class players is not enough for the football World Cup. Realistically, you are looking at developing most of your first 11 players who are capable of competing at the global level.

It is a tall order that can be extremely tough and expensive, with significant investment needed from both the public and the private sector. Even then, there is no guarantee of success.

Take China, which is a country of over 200 times the population of Singapore. It has already poured billions of dollars into improving its national football team and domestic football league.

Yet, the country has appeared at the World Cup just once and didn’t score a single goal.

On the contrary, China has won hundreds of gold medals at the Olympics in non-team sports such as shooting, diving and gymnastics.

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South Korea, the most successful Asian nation at the World Cup, has performed better in other non-team sports it concentrates on such as archery, judo and taekwondo.

THE NS QUESTION

Focusing on such sports involving one or two people is easier than finding 11 to succeed as, in such events, there is a greater correlation between investment, training, determination and success.

South Korea's Hwang Hee-chan in action. Picture taken on Oct 15, 2019. (Photo: Yonhap via REUTERS)

As is seen, Singapore’s medals at past Olympics have come in swimming and table-tennis. The women’s table-tennis team won silver at the 2008 Olympics and bronze four years later when Feng Tianwei also won an individual bronze. These are platforms on which to build.

Even if Singapore gets its investment, infrastructure and player development right, there is another factor that could derail things.

Let’s not forget that from 16 to 18 years of age – a critical development period in a footballer’s career – Singaporean men will instead be in their uniforms running up the hills of Pulau Tekong as part of their mandatory two-year National Service (NS).

Admittedly, Singapore isn’t the only country with a mandatory conscription service. Others, like Egypt, Greece, South Korea and Turkey, also do but still do well in football.

If Singapore is going to be serious about its Goal 2034, then it needs to review how promising footballers can balance the nation’s footballing dreams with their NS obligations as the social equity questions that may be raised.

It is worth noting that Singapore’s only Olympian gold-medallist, Schooling, and his Team Singapore colleagues, received NS deferment in their bid to make sporting history.

Perhaps when it has a team good enough to compete at the world stage that exemptions for them can be considered.

In the meantime, there is plenty of scope for national pride in other fields than football.
 
High-tempo, possession-based football => futsal
5ft 7 in => futsal
The situation in Singapore (especially during the circuit breaker): more Sinkies are playing futsal than football

Futsal no prestige for the PAP technocrats to howlian, only the FIFA World Cup appeals to their vainglorious nature. :biggrin:
 
The parents' thinking is always forgotten.
The various reports of the footballers' off field,
do not make good comfortable reading.
 
Hopefully Singapore can win the SEA Games Gold by 2034 and the Asian Games Gold by the year 3000. Please forget about the World Cup unless we assume all the footballing nations of SE Asia and Asia drop their ambitions and footballing standards.:wink:
 
Hopefully Singapore can win the SEA Games Gold by 2034 and the Asian Games Gold by the year 3000. Please forget about the World Cup unless we assume all the footballing nations of SE Asia and Asia drop their ambitions and footballing standards.:wink:

The number of slots for Asian countries to participate in the World Cup are also limited.

Unless Sinkieland is hosting (imagine games being held at that shitty new Sports Hub stadium or Jalan Besar stadium :roflmao:)... forget about it. Most footballers are also reluctant to play in a hot and humid shithole, they will need many water breaks during a game.

Anyway, when the PAP technocrats are involved, it is destined for failure. Because sooner or later, they will force the footballing people to do something foolish and not for footballing reasons. Or appoint more inner circle non-footballing people to meddle in footballing matters. :cool:
 
The number of slots for Asian countries to participate in the World Cup are also limited.

The FAS and sports minister target the 2034 World Cup because the 2034 World Cup will offer 48 spots compared to 32, which will give Asia eight automatic places in the tournament compared to four.

SG is trying to sneak in via the back door.
 
The FAS and sports minister target the 2034 World Cup because the 2034 World Cup will offer 48 spots compared to 32, which will give Asia eight automatic places in the tournament compared to four.

SG is trying to sneak in via the back door.

Good luck jostling with other SE Asian countries for two spots, because chances are the other six slots will go to Japan, South Korea, Iran, Australia, UAE, one of the 'Stan' countries. China might wake up with regime change, that's another slot gone. And watch out for Incredible India. :biggrin:
 
cannot make it lah, period! to edwin and fas please stop using taxpayers to fund your lofty ambition instead use the money and resource for the good of Singapore like healthcare or taking care of the poor and homeless.
 
What happens if the FAS elections turn up a team which thinks it is crap all over?
And have other plans?
 
One day, the football coach of Japan came to see God in desperation, and asked God: “ Oh Almighty God, please tell me when can Japan win the World Cup?”

God answered: “100 years later”.

On hearing this, the football coach of Japan cried.


Next day, the football coach of China came to see God in desperation, and asked God: “ Oh Almighty God, please tell me when can China win the World Cup?”

God answered: “10,000 years later”.

On hearing this, the football coach of China cried.

A few days later, the football coach of Singapore came to see God in desperation, and asked God: “ Oh Almighty God, please tell me when can Singapore qualify for the World Cup?”

On hearing this, God cried.
 
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The Jap coach's parting words in his press interview: Our footballers need to condition themselves better.
Translation: their fitness is fcuked up.
I remember one ex-SG coach said: "I have never seen a footballer becoming better by sitting around coffeeshops".
 
The Jap coach's parting words in his press interview: Our footballers need to condition themselves better.
Translation: their fitness is fcuked up.
I remember one ex-SG coach said: "I have never seen a footballer becoming better by sitting around coffeeshops".

Anyone can show up for training. But a champion retains his discipline after training, in his everyday life.

 
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