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Singapore Bonds

SNTCK said:
hihi, ohaiyo.

Oii, ocbc mother share drop to 9.7, right is 1.96

so? buy right and both mother share?

or just buy mother share??
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mother share is a few cents more than rights+exercise price.
remember, once after 9th Sept, all rightholders die die must exercise the rights = no need to support mother share
please consider offloading mother shares above 9.77(now), and do something else with the money (eg switch or keep cash).
 
Runifyouhaveto said:
mother share is a few cents more than rights+exercise price.
remember, once after 9th Sept, all rightholders die die must exercise the rights = no need to support mother share
please consider offloading mother shares above 9.77(now), and do something else with the money (eg switch or keep cash).
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I wan sell 10.4 above
 
Cerebral said:
Just wondering. If you stand is that Blue Chips are over valued, then would that mean a shift in focus to mid and small caps?
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There is positive correlation between small, mid and big caps. I am not good with equities but I fear an October selldown or black October in 2014 based on my readings from the crazy bond pricings lately. Bond market is a few times larger than equity market, so it is a good advanced indicator.

I may also be wrong. Lose money don't blame me.
 
my realised profit+ dividend from Jan 14 up today ~18k
then my portfolio market value up today 275k...no loss no profit

i will trim down my portfolio size by this month end...wait for better px to exit.
 
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SNTCK said:
my realised profit+ dividend from Jan 14 up today ~18k
then my portfolio market value up today 275k...no loss no profit

i will trim down my portfolio size by this month end...wait for better px to exit.
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You are a rich guys to be able to have 275k worth of stocks and shares. Just on dividend alone, just assuming 5% average, would give you 13.75k a year.

If I may say so, that would put you on the above the 20% of Singaporean
Many people work for many years do not even have 155k in their cpf (more than half of working Singaporean, if I recall correctly)
 
Runifyouhaveto said:
There is positive correlation between small, mid and big caps. I am not good with equities but I fear an October selldown or black October in 2014 based on my readings from the crazy bond pricings lately. Bond market is a few times larger than equity market, so it is a good advanced indicator.

I may also be wrong. Lose money don't blame me.
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Paisei. I am not too familiar with Black October. Was there a similar incident in the past? What caused it? How about this round? Any thoughts on what is causing it?
 
lifeafter41 said:
You are a rich guys to be able to have 275k worth of stocks and shares. Just on dividend alone, just assuming 5% average, would give you 13.75k a year.

If I may say so, that would put you on the above the 20% of Singaporean
Many people work for many years do not even have 155k in their cpf (more than half of working Singaporean, if I recall correctly)
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hi, i am not rich, do not say me like that. i am not showing off or what.
just want to tell RUN, i will be caution when i am doing my investment and i am not stupid as he think. do not need to worry for me.
( see, i got earn from investment also)

well, this little money, i work hard, save hard....
after 10 years non stop working. in my beginning years of investment, i did lost quite a bit of money...but recent years, probably market is doing fine.
i can earn back my losses...slowly n slowly...

i work hard+seldom eat at restaurant+ not fancy expensive stuffs/ branded stuffs+no car+ live frugal....i believe many of you here earn more than me...
if discipline and control a bit, sure can save more than me:)

cheer and have a nice day!

http://www.life.com.tw/?app=view&no=162864
 
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yes there was a major global financial disaster 6 years ago....i daresay u lost quite a bit of money when the bottom fell out.....the last 5 years though has been a amazing bull market far beyond anyone's wildest dreams,markets reached highs after highs year after year......any tom dick and harry holding stocks probably made money hand over fist....


SNTCK said:
hi, i am not rich, do not say me like that. i am not showing off or what.
just want to tell RUN, i will be caution when i am doing my investment and i am not stupid as he think. do not need to worry for me.
( see, i got earn from investment also)

well, this little money, i work hard, save hard....
after 10 years non stop working. in my beginning years of investment, i did lost quite a bit of money...but recent years, probably market is doing fine.
i can earn back my losses...slowly n slowly...

i work hard+seldom eat at restaurant+ not fancy expensive stuffs/ branded stuffs+no car+ live frugal....i believe many of you here earn more than me...
if discipline and control a bit, sure can save more than me:)

cheer and have a nice day!

http://www.life.com.tw/?app=view&no=162864
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SNTCK said:
hi, i am not rich, do not say me like that. i am not showing off or what.
just want to tell RUN, i will be caution when i am doing my investment and i am not stupid as he think. do not need to worry for me.
( see, i got earn from investment also)

well, this little money, i work hard, save hard....
after 10 years non stop working. in my beginning years of investment, i did lost quite a bit of money...but recent years, probably market is doing fine.
i can earn back my losses...slowly n slowly...

i work hard+seldom eat at restaurant+ not fancy expensive stuffs/ branded stuffs+no car+ live frugal....i believe many of you here earn more than me...
if discipline and control a bit, sure can save more than me:)

cheer and have a nice day!

http://www.life.com.tw/?app=view&no=162864
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You are able to live within your means and save is commendable.
Even after 10 years of working, many don't even have 50k of savings. But for your case you have done very well to be able to save that amount.
Not having a car is definitely one of them the ways, if taking public transport serve one's need (breakdown or crowded, is another topic altogether).

you are probably in your late 30s or early forties and still have a good at least 15 years to go. Won't be surprised you will be reaching your 1st million soon.
 
Cerebral said:
Paisei. I am not too familiar with Black October. Was there a similar incident in the past? What caused it? How about this round? Any thoughts on what is causing it?
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1987 and 2008 marked some of the heaviest stock market crashes in modern history. Traditionally October is also a weaker month, before Capricorn effect. Of course, these are just history and does not give us any hint about the future.




I reiterate that I am just taking clue from the recent bond market madness. Earlier, we discussed about the crazy bond prices outside singapore. Show you this secondary bond issue in Singapore yesterday:

Jurong Shipyard - Subsidiary of Sembcorp Marine - not direct subsidiary of Sembcorp
Unrated 7-years 2.95%, 15 years 3.85%
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/bre...-shipyard-prices-7-and-15-year-bonds-20140903

Well, they think they are safer than my CPF-SA 4%
A few months ago, we discussed that even parent company Sembcorp gave 5% (perpetual bond). I will trust Sembcorp 5% Perpetual more than Jurong Shipyard 2.95%.
http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?181997-Singapore-Bonds&p=1892911#post1892911




Conclusion: If bond prices are too high (yields too low), don't chase.
Back to your question: Then why are bond prices so mad now?
Answer: Something's gonna happen soon.
 
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