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Shanmugam: We must welcome FTs & Continue to Serve NS!

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DIALOGUE WITH PUNGGOL CENTRAL RESIDENTS
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On his visit to Punggol Central on Sunday, Mr Shanmugam encouraged both Singaporeans and new residents to mingle and get to know one another. -- PHOTO: LIANHE ZAOBAO
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<!-- START OF : div id="storytext"--><!-- more than 4 paragraphs -->HOW to get new immigrants integrated into Singapore society?
Law Minister K. Shanmugam, who is also Second Home Affairs Minister, said yesterday the Government cannot be the 'total solution' to this.
Rather, the tricky problem takes three parties to solve - Singaporeans, who have to be welcoming; new immigrants, who have to adapt to a new culture; and the Government, which has to provide a framework for people to bond.
Mr Shanmugam stressed this three-way partnership at an hour-long dialogue with Punggol Central residents, in response to a question from a resident who wanted to know what can be done to integrate the growing pool of new immigrants here.
Last year, 20,513 foreigners became Singapore citizens, while 79,167 took up permanent residency.
It is the people themselves - Singaporeans and new residents - who have to mingle and forge friendships with one another, said Mr Shanmugam.
Singaporeans, he said, should welcome 'newer residents with an open heart and help them integrate, bring them in'.
This is already taking place in housing estates, he noted.
He met many new residents during his four-hour visit to the constituency yesterday morning.
He was welcomed by a group of Filipinos who put up a dance performance. He was entertained by children many of whose parents came from China or India. He also watched a game of cricket played by a team hailing mostly from India.
All live in the Punggol Central area.
Mr Charles Chong, an MP for Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC, had last month estimated that up to 10 per cent of the residents in some blocks could be permanent residents or new citizens.
Noting how Singaporeans and new residents have come together to be involved in the programme for his ministerial visit, Mr Shanmugam added: 'That is a way integration takes place, at the ground level.'
As for new settlers, his advice was that they should 'take the attitude that they want to integrate'.
'If they don't want to integrate, it will be very difficult,' he said.
He added: 'When we approve PRs, we look for people who can integrate, and can add value. We want to bring in people who will create more jobs...help the economy and all of us.'
The Government, on its part, will also find ways to help people interact, such as by setting up business organisations and social networks, he added.
The National Integration Council was set up earlier this year, headed by Dr Vivian Balakrishnan, the Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports.
Mr Shanmugam, who is part of the council, noted that there is no such thing as instant integration. 'You can't just wave a magic wand and say, 'okay, integration'. It takes many years,' he said.
In reply to another question, the minister also gave his assessment of the Speak Tamil Campaign, noting that its success depends on whether Indians want to continue speaking the language.
While it is taught in schools, parents too have a role to play to keep the language alive by speaking Tamil at home so that the next generation will use it, he said.
Asked why the Government also 'encourages' the speaking of Indian dialects here, he said it was not that the Government encourages it, but that the Government is hard put to stop new immigrants from India from practising their culture.
Noting that many are top talent whom Singapore cannot afford to turn away, he said: 'Can we tell them they can't speak their language? It's their birthright. There must be tolerance.'


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<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>16486.4 in reply to 16486.3 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=heading>Latest comments

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Asked why the Government also 'encourages' the speaking of Indian dialects here, he said it was not that the Government encourages it, but that the Government is hard put to stop new immigrants from India from practising their culture.

Noting that many are top talent whom Singapore cannot afford to turn away, he said: 'Can we tell them they can't speak their language? It's their birthright. There must be tolerance.'

what indian dialects?

can we please go back to speaking hokkien, teochew, cantonese, hainanese, hakka etc etc? i want to exercise my birthright too! gua masi talent leh!

this govt really got no principles one. foreigners-turned-singaporeans can have their birthright, we born-here-singaporeans can only speak mandarin, tamil or malay, talent notwithstanding. what is this?

ok lor, native singgies can be turned away lor.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: unewolke at Mon Jul 06 14:59:21 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>until GOV really treat Citizen first, dun ask me to help the alien to integrate hor
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: millionaire394 at Mon Jul 06 12:55:23 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Why must Singaporeans help others to intergrate ?

Why not ask Australians English, Americans to help Singaporeans intergrate into their society?

Why so special? These foreigners come to take our jobs, our monies and our homes...
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: kennyticks2010 at Mon Jul 06 11:55:31 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=AlternatePost cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>The glue of integration is in the Unseen, not in the physical, the seen.

Please respect the Unseen first if any humans want to even talk about world peace.

When the Unseen is unsettled [restless soul], the mind will be not at ease or at peace. The physical will be influenced by the mind to feel easily irritated or agitated. Make no mistake about this Trinity influencing the life of every person.
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: CCLCCLCCL at Mon Jul 06 11:06:17 SGT 2009
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left><TABLE style="WIDTH: 100%" class=Post cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Our highly paid mini-stars can say all they want from their ivory towers........I am NOT going to waste my time trying to "integrate" foreigners/PRs who are here to snatch away jobs and public resources such as primary school places!!!

Ordinary S'poreans (aka Lesser Mortals) are far too busy trying to keep our jobs and making ends meet.

But I have a suggestion: Make newly minted PRs and citizens serve NS!!! They will sure be INTEGRATED. Army is also a job that male S'poreans shun......so why not bring in foreign talent for this role?????
</TD></TR><TR><TD style="VERTICAL-ALIGN: top" align=left>Posted by: ronintan1 at Mon Jul 06 10:51:49 SGT 2009
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News: Straits Times - 18 March 2009

Learning dialects 'adds to burden'

Time, energy better spent on mastering English and Mandarin: MM Lee
By Goh Chin Lian

MINISTER Mentor Lee Kuan Yew yesterday reiterated his stand against Chinese dialects, saying that learning dialects adds to a child's burden.

Also, it takes away the child's time and energy from mastering English and Mandarin, he said.

In addition, English and Mandarin differ in their vocabulary, phonetics and syntax and adding on dialects will cause 'negative interferences' in the learning of the two languages, he added.

In defending the decision to promote Mandarin over dialects, he also noted that the value of a language is its usefulness.
With Mandarin, the reach is far greater than dialects: 'If you speak Hokkien or Cantonese, you reach some 60 million in and , or about 100 million in and . With Mandarin, you can speak to 1,300 million Chinese from all provinces in ,' he said.
Mr Lee was speaking at the launch of the annual Speak Mandarin Campaign, which he introduced 30 years ago.
Since then, most Chinese Singaporeans have adopted Mandarin over other dialects.
However, about a fortnight ago, the acting head of 's (NTU) Division of Linguistics and Multilingual Studies, Dr Ng Bee Chin, sparked a debate when she reportedly said at a language seminar:
'Although Singaporeans are still multilingual, 40 years ago, we were even more multilingual. Young children are not speaking some of these languages at all any more.
'All it takes is one generation for a language to die.'
Her comment prompted Mr Lee's principal private secretary, Mr Chee Hong Tat, to write a letter to The Straits Times Forum Page the following day.
Mr Chee noted, among other things, that most people found it hard to cope with two languages when they were as diverse as English and Chinese.
He said 'it would be stupid for any agency or NTU to advocate the learning of dialects, which must be at the expense of English and Mandarin'.
The strong response led readers to write to the Forum Page, relating their experiences with the language.
One reader said although he spoke only Hakka at home and was not gifted in languages, he did not do badly in his English and Chinese in school.
Another writer argued that dialects can be useful at work and in business.
However, Mr Lee noted in his speech that overseas Chinese and foreigners are learning Mandarin, not Chinese dialects.
He recalled that 30 years ago, Chinese students and workers spoke Mandarin haltingly because they did not use it often. Instead, they spoke dialects among themselves and at home.
'If the Government had left language habits to evolve undirected, Chinese Singaporeans would be speaking an adulterated Hokkien-Teochew dialect,' he said.
To promote Mandarin, from 1979, the Government stopped all dialect programmes on radio and TV. Mr Lee too switched from making speeches in Hokkien to Mandarin.
Since then, far fewer Chinese families here speak dialects at home, according to Education Ministry figures on Chinese students registered for Primary 1.
It went from above 60 per cent to below 10 per cent in 1988 and less than 2 per cent from 2001.
Referring to the figures, Mr Lee said they showed most parents preferred their children to focus on learning English and Mandarin well.
NTU's Dr Ng declined to comment yesterday when contacted by The Straits Times.
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