SDP under Chee: From a well-respected opposition party to a pariah shunned by all

[Alu862]

All parties in SG have failed the people.

Then again, due to voter stupidity, the people have failed the parties.

 

[jacys]

Yeah I agree with you.

 

[cass888]

And the SDP reCHEEme of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan is indeed so much more effective:

1. 3 seats before he took over. Biggest opposition party in Singapore. 3-3-0 seats after he took over. Smallest opposition non-party now.
2. Thousands of members before he took over; tens of members how.
3. Money in the bank then; bankrupt now.
4. 45% before he took over. 25% now.
5. He started in 1995. Lost 97. Lost 01. Lost 04. Votes going down down and down.

Right.

Yeah, I agree with you.

WP is indeed very "pragmatic":

1. 1 seat in Hougang for 17 years.

2. Low Thia Kiang admits WP will not be able to challenge PAP in next 20 years.

The following parties are NOT pragmatic enough by WP "standards":

Malaysia's PKR: won only 4 seats in 1999 elections, now the biggest opposition party in Parliament.

Thailand's (now defunct) Thai Rak Thai party: founded in 1997 by Thaksin, won over 300 seats in its maiden election 3 years later to form the government.

Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party: banned in 1985, formed the government 15 years later in 2000.

These useless "opposition" parties should have learned from WP and be contented with 1 seat in Parliament, right ?

LOL !!!

 

[leetahbar]

All parties in SG have failed the people.

Then again, due to voter stupidity, the people have failed the parties.

never blame the audience but blame the performer instead.

the opp parties should be doing more to convince peasants and to win over their supports. it should definitely NOT be like SDP n chee whose actions only continue to piss the majority and further deflate the confidence and trust in them.

 

[Wisely]

Let's be honest here: we don't need such labelling. WP, as I said, has its own methods and as such, is sticking to it. And Locke is just being factual that LTK and JBJ has different styles and as such, its more of a how much salt and pepper and chilli one wants for a dish.

The fact remains that if some elements within SDP accuses a fellow opposition party for not following SDP doctrine and then dismiss as not being "opposition enough" because it doesn't follow what SDP has done is rather interesting. I mean, you can't seemingly understand that it cannot be "if you're not with us, then you're against us" isn't it?

The point here is whether one party can tolerate the other's method of campaigning. The truth is that if both take the bigger picture into view, m&d slinging doesn't help both of us. It seems that though WP has understood that politics is not a black-and-white picture, but a grey one, and has worked within those boundaries in respect to that.

SDP has to realise that its black-and-white stance on politics, and that Bush attitude of "either you're with us, or you're against us" would only turn other people off to their demerit. And it will do all of us better if you did practice democracy in public and in private as much as you preach it in public, especially with fellow opposition parties.

I never said any thing about LTK or JBJ. Was talking about Locke who supports capitalism. But I don't take him for what WP is. WP is fine with me right now. Just like I go around whacking Ng Ejay/Avantas but never takes him for what SDP is.

I'm not with WP or SDP. You should keep quiet on SDP if you don't want others to talk of WP.

 

[samurai1110]

And the SDP reCHEEme of the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan is indeed so much more effective:

1. 3 seats before he took over. Biggest opposition party in Singapore. 3-3-0 seats after he took over. Smallest opposition non-party now.
2. Thousands of members before he took over; tens of members how.
3. Money in the bank then; bankrupt now.
4. 45% before he took over. 25% now.
5. He started in 1995. Lost 97. Lost 01. Lost 04. Votes going down down and down.

Right.

Your factual presentation says it all!
Just a few sentences & u have shown what a big failure in life he is in spite of his high education.
No need to be loso like his die-hard supporters while being 'lead' into the dumps by this most irresponsible & treacherous usurper.:(

 

[The_Latest_H]

I never said any thing about LTK or JBJ. Was talking about Locke who supports capitalism. But I don't take him for what WP is. WP is fine with me right now. Just like I go around whacking Ng Ejay/Avantas but never takes him for what SDP is.

I'm not with WP or SDP. You should keep quiet on SDP if you don't want others to talk of WP.

There have been many times when I said to myself "nah" in terms of replying than "yes".

And as for capitalism, well we have capitalism, and what else do we have? We all keep on saying that what we need is democratic socialism, but even that sounds antique. I mean, nowadays what is common sense these days don't have labels such as democratic socialism. Its not that I don't believe it: but I just think labels especially from the cold war period just looks old.

So in respect to what is capitalism, I believe the system needs tweaking regularly. What capitalism needs is regulation, common sense regulation, and also equal opportunity for all to succeed, and to ensure that the benefits of capitalism is not trickled down, but it comes up from bottom up.

That's what will make capitalism work. And its the most practical way. And certainly, I don't subscribe to the label of socialism. That term is antique. Its time to consider a name change to better reflect the changing times.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Now more like PR consultant for China

Whatever, but many many many times better than that highly educated petty thief!

 

[samurai1110]

Now more like PR consultant for China

For a sibeh loso fella like u is this the best u can do?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Frankly LTK appears to be a realist Also I get the impression that he has taken WP as far as he is able to as leader and perhaps should consider stepping aside in the near future.

Yeah, I agree with you.

WP is indeed very "pragmatic":

1. 1 seat in Hougang for 17 years.

2. Low Thia Kiang admits WP will not be able to challenge PAP in next 20 years.

 

[leetahbar]

the one who really has to step aside could be cst. he should take a rest and break. is there a successor - hopefully not the return of CHEE!!

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

About sums it up for me. Oh also include technological/scientific advances and globalization.

For me I would say that if as Alex surmises that Dr Chee seeks to shame the gov into change or into a split, I would argue that Dr Chee represents just one point of pressure to force that change and that economic , demographic and sociological changes bring equal or greater change for political and liberal reform




Locke

 

[Avantas]

Step aside for who ? Like Yaw Shin Leong who voted for the PAP ??

Frankly LTK appears to be a realist Also I get the impression that he has taken WP as far as he is able to as leader and perhaps should consider stepping aside in the near future.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I call it like I see it

For a sibeh loso fella like u is this the best u can do?:

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

I ain't with WP, go ask WP's young turks

Step aside for who ? Like Yaw Shin Leong who voted for the PAP ??

 

[Wisely]

Step aside for who ? Like Yaw Shin Leong who voted for the PAP ??

Better than Ng Ejay for any party!

 

[samurai1110]

I call it like I see it

No u don't! U go on and on and on like a damaged grammophone record and the song isn't even good to listen to.

 

[cleareyes]

Put this up in Wayangparty if you dare to Ejay/Avantas.

http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?p=120070

Have anyone ever notice that "avantas" had disappeared and this "jacys" had popped up from nowhere?

 

[Avantas]

Hi jacys,

Cut the act lah, we all know you are jacys. The other "jacys" is probably your clone.

Darkcloud = Wisely = ektay = Melvin Tan.

Are you jobless now ? So free to wreck havoc here and in SDP forum ?

Have anyone ever notice that "avantas" had disappeared and this "jacys" had popped up from nowhere?

 

[cleareyes]

Hi jacys,

Cut the act lah, we all know you are jacys. The other "jacys" is probably your clone.

Darkcloud = Wisely = ektay = Melvin Tan.

Are you jobless now ? So free to wreck havoc here and in SDP forum ?

You called me "jacys" and yet you dont know who I m.

You set up "jacys" trying to bait the real "jacys" out and that makes me wonder, what so threatening about "jacys" that you have to do that? was "jacys" that popular? Seems to me he is.

and all I have to do is to mae one remark of your "disappearance" and activities for "jacys" had stopped and you are back in the foil.

Your writing style had been consistent and there is hardly any difference between "avantas" and "jacys".

Oh yes, I have seen the other "jacys" in the SDP forum as well, that style is the same as yours.

try very very very hard.